Hickman is leaving this soon? We've had no resolution in regards to a lot of the stuff put forth in HOX/POX. That would suck.Wonder when we'll find out for sure if Hickman is staying or going.... Dec?
Hickman is leaving this soon? We've had no resolution in regards to a lot of the stuff put forth in HOX/POX. That would suck.Wonder when we'll find out for sure if Hickman is staying or going.... Dec?
I don't think he is. But there is a bit of a minor concern because the editor is being cagey about Hickman's long term commitment post-Inferno. He says "don't worry" but then at the same time talking about how plans change all the time, Hickman has laid the groundwork for ages to come, and a lot of "we'll see." Lol.Hickman is leaving this soon? We've had no resolution in regards to a lot of the stuff put forth in HOX/POX. That would suck.
But plans do change all the time and always have, that's why we have countless stories of abandoned plans and storylines and obviously an editor (or anyone else speaking for the company) will be cagey about future developments, even if they knew Hickman will leave at the end of June 2024 they probably wouldn't say that right now. This is just typical non committal and non spoilery stuff people say all the time.I don't think he is. But there is a bit of a minor concern because the editor is being cagey about Hickman's long term commitment post-Inferno. He says "don't worry" but then at the same time talking about how plans change all the time, Hickman has laid the groundwork for ages to come, and a lot of "we'll see." Lol.
Wonder when we'll find out for sure if Hickman is staying or going.... Dec?
Doesn't seem so hard for the Avengers when at any given time half the roster is usually filled with entitled assholes who would happily go back to their small privileged corner of the world after beating a big bad guy. Lots of heroes dine with villains when they are not fighting. It has never been black and white. Heroes, especially teams, are really only heroes because they are strong enough to beat some threat as it arises. It doesn't always mean they are a moral beacon or something to look up to. They will be for some but not for others. Black Panther is a great leader and hero for his people, but how much regard does he have for lives outside of Wakanda? Or Atlantean lives?I'm not even sure how the X-Men are planning to sell themselves as a team heroes to the human public because how heroic are you really if you go home to have dinner with villains who have disregarded human lives since forever?
This entire story can only end in a disaster for the mutants, right? Because even I begin to have anti-mutant sentiments and I've been a fan since the 90s.
Back then the mutants were humans who were different, who were born that way and just because some of them were bad didn't mean they should all be blamed for the crimes of some. But now the mutants themselves have removed the distinction between good and bad mutants and they put themselves in opposition to humans, they created a mutant supremacist state, they terraformed Mars and declared it the capital of the solar system which means on a galactic level mutants now speak for earth, they often refer to themselves as the new gods of humanity ...
I'm not even sure how the X-Men are planning to sell themselves as a team heroes to the human public because how heroic are you really if you go home to have dinner with villains who have disregarded human lives since forever?
I'm interested in where the story's going but it has become very hard to sympathize with the mutants, right now they are proving the people who want to wipe them out right because they themselves play into the us vs. them mentality.
That's the same thing. It also shouldn't matter, Krakoa can't decide for the rest of the world who's a criminal and who isn't. Declaring that humans do not fall under the jurisdiction of humanity is complete bullshit for example, if a mutant commits a crime outside of Krakoa they should absolutely be judged by local authorities and laws. Do humans also not fall under mutant jurisdiction? Probably not.They didn't remove the distinction between good and bad mutants; they just gave everyone a reset.
I wasn't really talking about random schmucks who were driven into a corner, I meant mutants like Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister or Magneto who have done so much evil shit that they are really beyond redemption.Most of the mutant villains of the X-Men were villains by circumstance: they were pushed into a corner and lashed. And of course, you have outliers, but those are outliers. Xavier offered them a sanctuary from a world that tried to hunt them down and kill them and only asked they started fresh.
Who represents humans on the quiet council? Can a human even join the council? Allowing some humans to live on Krakoa doesn't make them equal parts of society and it doesn't make the state not supremacist.They didn't make a mutant supremacist state; either. That would imply that humans would be treated as second class citizens. X-Men have human family members that live with them on the island and the Council established refugee areas from trafficked and oppressed humans.
But why does Mars have to be the capital of the solar system? If mutants already have the most contact with aliens they speak for earth by default, they don't have to declare anything to aliens. The "Mutants speak for the solar system" was a message directed at humans to once again declare mutant supremacy.And if anyone were to declare a planet the capital of the solar system, it would be the people who by far have the most contact with alien races and societies on Earth. It's an event when the Avengers outside of Carol and Thor go into space; the it's a coffee run for mutants. Hell, some of the mutants on Krakoa are literally aliens with X-Genes.
it has become very hard to sympathize with the mutants, right now they are proving the people who want to wipe them out right because they themselves play into the us vs. them mentality.
Krakoa only has the power to judge mutants themselves internationally because governments are willing to sign diplomatic agreements giving mutants immunity. This is because they want the benefits offered by Krakoa in terms of drugs. Mutants are only using human instruments of diplomacy and government interest to their own benefit. Here's a question for you - if a human commits a crime against a mutant in any country, or there are hate groups who act against mutant interest and fund crimes against mutants internationally, would any government actually extradite these criminals to Krakoa? I don't think so. Would local laws provide justice in these cases, or are they generally ignored? :)That's the same thing. It also shouldn't matter, Krakoa can't decide for the rest of the world who's a criminal and who isn't. Declaring that humans do not fall under the jurisdiction of humanity is complete bullshit for example, if a mutant commits a crime outside of Krakoa they should absolutely be judged by local authorities and laws. Do humans also not fall under mutant jurisdiction? Probably not.
I wasn't really talking about random schmucks who were driven into a corner, I meant mutants like Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister or Magneto who have done so much evil shit that they are really beyond redemption.
They're not deciding who's a criminal or who isn't, they're ignoring past crimes to give them a chance to live in a new country full of people not immediately out to kill them. In function, it's no different than giving pardons or expunging criminal records, except that it comes with a passport.That's the same thing. It also shouldn't matter, Krakoa can't decide for the rest of the world who's a criminal and who isn't. Declaring that humans do not fall under the jurisdiction of humanity is complete bullshit for example, if a mutant commits a crime outside of Krakoa they should absolutely be judged by local authorities and laws. Do humans also not fall under mutant jurisdiction? Probably not.
Magneto is a random schmuck who was driven into a corner. He's also a random schmuck who's also saved the world a bunch of times since the 80s. Besides, it's not like anyone's handwaving away Mags, Apoc, and Sinister outside of a few people. And those are very much Operation Paperclip style grabs, anyway. Especially Sinister.I wasn't really talking about random schmucks who were driven into a corner, I meant mutants like Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister or Magneto who have done so much evil shit that they are really beyond redemption.
And if they get a reset and everything is fine as long as they don't do it again why is Wanda vilified for her crimes against mutants? Shouldn't she get a reset too? There are clearly different rules for mutants and non-mutants and that is not right.
Quiet Council as a government was formed before there were humans living there. Krakoa being a place for all mutants doesn't mean it's only for mutants. Given that every mutant safe haven has been obliterated, by giant ass robots or genetically modified humans bent on genocide, allowing only a slow trickle makes sense.Who represents humans on the quiet council? Can a human even join the council? Allowing some humans to live on Krakoa doesn't make them equal parts of society and it doesn't make the state not supremacist.
Because humans don't want mutants in charge of anything on Earth out of sheer spite. So the mutants took their ball and went home, and their cosmic connections with them. Why wouldn't Mars become the capital of the solar system if the people who have the most contact with things past the Kuiper Belt are mutant.But why does Mars have to be the capital of the solar system? If mutants already have the most contact with aliens they speak for earth by default, they don't have to declare anything to aliens. The "Mutants speak for the solar system" was a message directed at humans to once again declare mutant supremacy.
The whole point of this era is that it will blow up in their faces and it'll be spectacular because they're constantly fucking up when the general idea should be un-fuckupable.It's not like I don't understand why they're doing it, they're trying to survive but I don't see how this doesn't end blowing up in their faces. Sooner or later there will be a mutant civil war, there's no way they'll be able to work together longterm, Mystique is clearly ready to fuck them up already and she won't be the only one. Nightcrawler also has problems with the way the council runs things for different reasons than mystique but there's clearly conflict brewing and when Krakoa as a unified nation breaks down mutants are even more screwed than before.
Because they got what they wanted. Magneto wanted his people to not be persecuted, to stop fighting his best friend, and for his people to have a home. Apocalypse wanted his people to prove their worth by coming together and demonstrating their worth in the process. Everyone else either followed in their beliefs or were regular ass criminals doing criminal things for all of the reasons criminals do criminal shit -- lack of care, resources, etc -- and the moment someone who was just an asshole to be an asshole did something explicitly assholeish, they let his ass get tossed into a maximum security prison and then broke him out and tossed him into something way worse than what humans could do outside of throwing someone into the Negative Zone.A fun detail i like to think about regarding the amnesty is that all these big bad villains that took the deal also stopped doing such heinously villain things. mags, apoc, sinister (kinda lol) and whoever else have all curbed their worst behaviours thanks to Krakoa.
Like its hardly the most just way to deal with them, but its actually solved the problems they were much more handily than fighting them ever did.
This era is a fascinating Rorschach test. I don't think this is true at all, myself.
Except in real life minorities can't just band together and force the world to accept them with their inherent power and by teaming up with terrorists, that analogy doesn't really work.It really is. Though it's not particularly surprising, we have the same thing happen IRL whenever a minority group diverges from the status quo.
I think ultimately my main issue is that I'm not rooting for the X-Men anymore. They used to be underdogs, now they're anything but underdogs. It's like making Peter Parker a billionaire, it takes away something essential from the characters.
I don't even dislike the stories themselves, I like reading them but in the past there was usually some kind of hope involved that they'd succeed and things would get better, in this scenario it can't get better because they're already at the top so the only way is down and that's not so great.
Except in real life minorities can't just band together and force the world to accept them with their inherent power and by teaming up with terrorists, that analogy doesn't really work.
Diverging from the status quo is fine, as long as it directly benefits the non-minorities and doesn't threaten their hegemony on power. Because if it does, that's when you get a Tulsa.It really is. Though it's not particularly surprising, we have the same thing happen IRL whenever a minority group diverges from the status quo.
To me it felt like just a basic "X-Men are superheroes saving the city" story -- which is standard stuff in a vacuum, but has also been something kind of missing from the current era so far.Besides fantastic art, X-men #1 didn't do much for me.
I found it rather boring to be honest.
Diverging from the status quo is fine, as long as it directly benefits the non-minorities and doesn't threaten their hegemony on power. Because if it does, that's when you get a Tulsa.
It's a fucking comic book, wanting a fictional minority at the bottom fighting against prejudice instead of at the top has no implications on real life.Diverging from the status quo is fine, as long as it directly benefits the non-minorities and doesn't threaten their hegemony on power. Because if it does, that's when you get a Tulsa.
Why you getting so up in your feelings and defensive? I didn't say word one to you.It's a fucking comic book, wanting a fictional minority at the bottom fighting against prejudice instead of at the top has no implications on real life.
Why you getting so up in your feelings and defensive? I didn't say word one to you.
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But while we're at it:
Fuck that noise. As a part of one of the many groups the X-Men have been allegorically linked to in the past? It feels real fucking good to see stories about them coming together, coming out on top, and being unapologetically themselves while doing it instead of more metaphors for the real world suffering of my folks and that "Call me Alex" assimilation, cowtowing to the majority bullshit.
BingoYeah, this is an exercise in power fagtsdy for some of us that we never get. The X-Men don't have to mirror my actual experience at all for me to get the point and live vicariously through the current status quo. And that's clearly been their intention to start with.
Why you getting so up in your feelings and defensive? I didn't say word one to you.
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But while we're at it:
Fuck that noise. As a part of one of the many groups the X-Men have been allegorically linked to in the past? It feels real fucking good to see stories about them coming together, coming out on top, and being unapologetically themselves while doing it instead of more metaphors for the real world suffering of my folks and that "Call me Alex" assimilation, cowtowing to the majority bullshit.
I'm also part of one of those groups and I don't care about allegorical representation, it's 2021, how about more actual representation? Allegories are for cowards these days, it's not like the comics code is stopping them.But while we're at it:
Fuck that noise. As a part of one of the many groups the X-Men have been allegorically linked to in the past? It feels real fucking good to see stories about them coming together, coming out on top, and being unapologetically themselves while doing it instead of more metaphors for the real world suffering of my folks and that "Call me Alex" assimilation, cowtowing to the majority bullshit.
I don't think it's unfair, decades ago creators had to use coding and allegories to tell those stories because it was either that or not at all due to censoring. Today all minorities can be shown and portrayed accurately, if it's not happening it's because publishers are prejudiced, fear lower sales etc., I'm not saying marginalized creators are the cowards, publishers are. Having marginalized people working on books is great, letting them tell their stories without allegories would be even better.Wildly unfair oversimplification, especially when you have marginalized people writing and drawing some of these books.
I still think this is actually gonna be Moira alley-ooping Mystique to put some plan into action and I think Emma is in on it.
I think it makes all the sense in the world that after Sinister coming on board earlier than planned + her being worried about Charles and Erik in the long run, Moira made contact with Emma and established some kind of plan B. I think people thought this would be Logan for a while, but what can Logan do other than kill Moira mercifully?
Emma is perfect, really. Her motivation is mutants first (particularly mutant youth), she isn't caught up in a bunch of red tape, in terms of morales, she's as capable a schemer as anyone you could name if not moreso, she's on the council, and she's a very strong telepath in her own right; No one would know she's in on something, barring a slip up on her part.
I still think this is actually gonna be Moira alley-ooping Mystique to put some plan into action and I think Emma is in on it.
I think it makes all the sense in the world that after Sinister coming on board earlier than planned + her being worried about Charles and Erik in the long run, Moira made contact with Emma and established some kind of plan B. I think people thought this would be Logan for a while, but what can Logan do other than kill Moira mercifully?
Emma is perfect, really. Her motivation is mutants first (particularly mutant youth), she isn't caught up in a bunch of red tape, in terms of morales, she's as capable a schemer as anyone you could name if not moreso, she's on the council, and she's a very strong telepath in her own right; No one would know she's in on something, barring a slip up on her part.
Intentionally bringing about Nimrod would certainly qualify as "breaking all the rules". Especially if Moira now thinks their true enemy are the final post humans that result from the man-machine alliance.I'm still on the Moira, Destiny, and possibly Mystique gamed this out in her previous life tip. Those two would know exactly how to piss off Mystique in just the right way to get her to do what they need and Destiny would know where to find her own journals.
I think this is the big play to beat Nimrod. Bring him to life on their terms when they're ready for him. Not too early, not too late.
Emma being in on it would be great too.
The X-Men sail at dawn! Even in this glorious new dawn, Mutantkind faces hardships and oppression from their human counterparts. Led by Captain Kate Pryde and funded by Emma Frost and the Hellfire Trading Company, Marauders Storm, Pyro, Bishop and Iceman sail the seas of the world to protect those hated and feared!
Yeah the book really aught to have been called The Hellfire Club or something to that effect, while i very much like where its gone its not at all the book that it was billed as.I could just be bitter at this point, but this Marauders issue just seems like more content that isn't the premise of the series, which was:
I don't even remember the last time I saw Bishop or Iceman outside their Gala appearances.
Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying the series a lot, I'm just pining for the swashbuckling adventures I was promised.
New Mutants was a really good read.
And No-Girl's point of not being resurrected is valid.