What single elimination tournaments have you watched in the FGC?
Seen quite a few single elim ST tournaments.
What single elimination tournaments have you watched in the FGC?
Realistically, a game that consistently gets 1000+ at major events doesn't deserve side tournament treatment, regardless of the amount of money it brings in. In terms of grassroots support, the Melee scene should be seen as a model for self-sustainability, especially in the face of corporate strong-arming.
God forbid companies put up pot bonuses and sponsorships that allow players to actually push towards going full time! Disgraceful strong-arming and bullying.
This line of thinking about publisher support is ludicrous.
I'm baffled as to why everyone's so angry. Like, shit, it's really not that deep. Video games are serious business, I guess.
It's a west coast tournament, starting at west coast times.Sorry, couldn't watch 6 am in the morning on a fucking work day. They need to start that shit way, way earlier.
*raises hand* i would.I don't think anyone wants single elimination for fighting games these days. Spectator or competitor. I personally don't find them entertaining at all.
If you don't mind me asking. Why do you feel you wouldn't get that with a single elimination style tournament. ?
If you don't mind me asking. Why do you feel you wouldn't get that with a single elimination style tournament. ?
Umm, excuse me?
When has Nintendo ever provided pot bonuses for Melee? When have they done anything other than try to shut down their tournaments or pretend the scene doesn't exist in the face of their newer games?
I don't think anyone wants single elimination for fighting games these days. Spectator or competitor. I personally don't find them entertaining at all. I want to see as many high level games as possible.
Yeah. Me. LOL.
That's why i'd increase the number of matches in sets.Because you're literally playing about half the amount of games in a single elimination tournament?
We're not going to turn this into another Smash thread are we?
There's nothing out that plays like Melee. Full stop. The game will likely never die and maintain its popularity for the foreseeable future as long as Nintendo chooses to act like the Melee community doesn't exist while they develop future titles.
What single elimination tournaments have you watched in the FGC?
I def agree that single elim is nothing a competitor would want, but less is more sometimes as a spectator. I mean, they run single GAME single elim in Japan often and the results are about as random as you'd expect but the pacing is great and the hype levels are high.
What has that to do with where SF V is slotted? They could easily swap it with another game. Have melee last.
I'm baffled as to why everyone's so angry. Like, shit, it's really not that deep. Video games are serious business, I guess.
It does, for the people attending.Its the biggest FGC Tournament in the world, it should srart at a reasonable hour for the majority of it.
Almost lol just meant that just because a thing went wrong for one group of people it doesn't mean that things went wrong for everyone.So you are saying that the Fighting game scene does not need street fighter to strive?
Its just freaking weird to me that top players wouldn't want to evolve and need to be catered to while other communities don't seem to have a problem with learning the latest and greatest.
True, but that's through no fault of their own. From what I remember, games started late all day Sunday.I'm not so sure SFV Top 8 started at a reasonable hour for attendees this year.
I'm talking broadly and in general since a train of thought I've seen crashing through this thread frequently is the idea that Melee survives while other games like SF4 fail to because companies like Capcom pump in pot bonuses for the new game, but if we're talking specifically Smash I've seen anger at Nintendo allowing things like Smash 4 to be broadcast on TV over Melee, fear over Nintendo actually going in on esports with Ultimate - and really, what do people expect them to do? Melee is ancient. The only thing that's going to see Nintendo want to acknowledge it is if they re=release it, and even then we'll be in for hand-wringing over if it runs properly, lag, etc etc.
Yeah, a few times they tried to shut down tournaments. It was bloody years ago. I think it's fair to say Nintendo has learned over the years, though, and I can't believe that's still being held over them. When it mattered they backed off, relented, and even learned. With Ultimate they're clearly making moves to be more embracing, but it's delusional to think they're going to highlight a fifteen year old game over that.
I def agree that single elim is nothing a competitor would want, but less is more sometimes as a spectator. I mean, they run single GAME single elim in Japan often and the results are about as random as you'd expect but the pacing is great and the hype levels are high.
Yeah. Me. LOL.
That's why i'd increase the number of matches in sets.
Single elmin would be horrible. Quality of the finals would go down drastically, not to mention some of the best moments at tournies are people running it back from losers or when they're already down some games.
No one's saying the scene doesn't deserve to exist it just doesn't deserve to be coddled and it's pretty clear that Melee players feel entitled to special attention. Nintendo probably isn't even being deliberately antagonistic toward the game's community: it probably doesn't even register on their radar as a blip and why should it? I mean I'd be fucking bored as hell if SFV played exactly like Street Fighter 2 or Tekken 7 hadn't evolved past Tekken 3 mechanically.
Current games should be on the main stage period.
Agreethe day DBFZ becomes the face of evo is the day i stop watching
I think a chunk of it depends on how long the game goes on, too. DBFZ matches go on, and the game is great but I think from the spectator POV single elim could work for that game.
I meant i'd increase the number of matches in a set.
I wouldn't have it be like Tougeki. I'd still have sets. Just loser's brakcet.I remember Tougeki being single elimination, 1 match, just like in the arcades.
I meant i'd increase the number of matches in a set.
I wouldn't have it be like Tougeki. I'd still have sets. Just loser's brakcet.
No no. i mean increase the amount of matches in a set.
No no. i mean increase the amount of matches in a set.
For example from my other post.
So it would be something like this.
Quarter finals; 3 out of 5 (or first to 5)
Semi finals: 5 out of 7 (or first to 7)
Grand finals: 8 out of 10 (or first to 10)
Because i feel if you get knocked than that's it. You shouldn't be given a second chance. Which is what double elim does.Okay, okay, I gotcha. But if you went this route as opposed to everything being 2/3 double elimination expect Winners/Losers/Grand Finals; that sounds like you could potentially be playing more overall games in the end? So why single elimination in that case?
Meanwhile, I'm here glad fighting games are thriving.It's the same misplaced pride as console wars. "My preferred product is better" "no, mine is". Same shit different coat of paint.
I've been a member of the FGC for eight years and play SFV four nights a week. I travel internationally.
SFV is a worse game than SF4 and you're not going to find many in the FGC that disagree with that.
This just sounds like jealously. The Melee scene's leverage is due to their strict passion for the game they play. Full stop. They're not "coddled" they're catered to, because they have that leverage. Sorry none of the games you play drive that kind of leverage.
About Tekken 7, and that's about it. SFV and T7 are the most watchable fighting games this gen because they have the strongest neutral.
Because some people want to evolve and learn new rule sets and FGs as a whole are better when a community is coming together to figure out a new game.I've never really understood this mindset. If players think the older game is better, why should they move on to the new one? What possible benefit could there be for people playing a game they like to ditch it and pick up a new one that they don't think is superior? I think if any attitude is weird here, it's that of the Street Fighter fans who didn't have full faith in V but moved onto it anyway out of some sense of obligation.
And there it is: you're kind of proving my point dude with that tone. I honestly don't care what other games are on the EVO stage but I appreciate your concern about the games I play. My point remains having two games in the same series on the main stage is just silly and the only reason why Melee is up there is because of points others and I have raised.
I mean, personally speaking the Gundam Versus games (and Virtual-On too probably) have the best neutral ever, but eh, arena games and what not.
Because some people want to evolve and learn new rule sets and FGs as a whole are better when a community is coming together to figure out a new game.
Without sf, it would take a huge hit, but with the amount of other games and people that play them, yeah, the fgc will definitely survive, no doubt.
Hopefully season 3 was the last for sfv, game is awful. Looking forward to sfvi.
Is this your opinion as a spectator who wants a game to be done with ASAP so you can watch the next thing, or as a competitor actually paying for and taking the time to go out to an event?Because i feel if you get knocked than that's it. You shouldn't be given a second chance. Which is what double elim does.
You've misunderstood my position. It has nothing to do with time.Is this your opinion as a spectator who wants a game to be done with ASAP so you can watch the next thing, or as a competitor actually paying for and taking the time to go out to an event?