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Blackpuppy

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And I believe that much like with TV shows, things work better when the person who generated the idea has the final word.

It's been a while since I read Brackett's script, but I remember most of the story beats were the same, or very similar. I'm going by memory, but I think Brackett sadly passed away before she could revise the script.

The story beats for Empire and Jedi were pretty similar for every script (they weren't as crazy different as Star Wars). They came up with a rough idea of what they wanted, they sent that off to Brackett who wrote the script. She died after turning it in.

The beats are similar but the details are wildly different. Lucas decided to start over but still gave Leigh credit since she was such a legend.
 

Kalentan

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And he gives her no credit for it. I was watching Empire of Dreams the other day and was stunned by the lack of virtually no mention of her practically saving the film in editing. There was one small mention of her, but it was just like an off hand mention. Like she was "borrowed" and just helped the movie along. It was all a bunch of George Lucas ball washing.

Not trying to downplay her contributions but EVERY film is saved in the editing phase. It's not a unique thing.
 

Kalentan

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Well that's the thing, sometimes they are not saved in the editing phase and you end up with a shitty film, even if it had good ideas.

True. It's just I often hear that said in Star Wars threads like it's some amazingly unique thing that never happens and it makes it seem like editing is this easy thing in other cases.
 

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Oh my god can you guys just, for one fucking day, not make threads defending the sequel trilogy as if your damn life depended on it?

I swear every fucking day there's a new thread that exists to just say "if you don't like the sequel trilogy you're wrong".

Yes, movies evolve as the script is developed further and refined. Big fucking surprise. We even have comments from Alec Guinness confirming George Lucas was editing the script even as they were filming A New Hope.

So what? You guys are so damn eager to put the sequel trilogy on a pedestal to protect it from any criticisms you can't even see that that is nothing at all like the structure of the sequel trilogy.

George Lucas was heavily involved in the scripts and overall story for the original trilogy. The only one he didn't directly write himself was Empire, but that was still produced from the story he wanted to tell.

The original trilogy had a singular vision, even if it was always evolving. That is totally different to the structure of the sequel trilogy, where each director literally does whatever THEY think is the interesting way to take THEIR movie.

As Mark Hamill said, the sequel trilogy is a relay race. Once you've done your movie, your part is over. Abrams didn't get involved at all in The Last Jedi besides reading the script and Johnson didn't get involved at all in Rise of Skywalker besides presumably reading the script.

Why you guys are always trying so hard to make excuses for that I have no idea. It was a risky move by Disney to push the sequel trilogy out faster and it didn't work. Ironically enough the people who try so hard to make excuses for it are the ones who are also super eager to see Rian Johnson write and direct more than one successive Star Wars movie.

Make up your damn minds, will you?
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Not trying to downplay her contributions but EVERY film is saved in the editing phase. It's not a unique thing.

That is true. But she still got no credit for doing so. The final film was a mess and Death Star assault on the Yavin moon was not even in the film when she got it. She basically created the assault on the rebel base from nothing. And she just gets a brush off mention in most documentaries about the film.
 

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I don't know why you're trying to frame that as an insult when it's clearly what Disney uses to classify fans who spend a lot of money at Disneyland, but whatever.

I guess when someone posts a thread to shit on the original trilogy to defend the sequel trilogy we're just meant to go with it now.
 

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I don't know why you're trying to frame that as an insult when it's clearly what Disney uses to classify fans who spend a lot of money at Disneyland, but whatever.

I guess when someone posts a thread to shit on the original trilogy to defend the sequel trilogy we're just meant to go with it now.
You're zeroing in on one part of a much larger thread though. The purpose of this thread is to dive into those early ideas for the first movie.
 

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I don't know why you're trying to frame that as an insult when it's clearly what Disney uses to classify fans who spend a lot of money at Disneyland, but whatever.

I guess when someone posts a thread to shit on the original trilogy to defend the sequel trilogy we're just meant to go with it now.
How is this thread shitting on the original trilogy? It's all about how a rough lump of stone gradually got polished into a gem.
 
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Oh my god can you guys just, for one fucking day, not make threads defending the sequel trilogy as if your damn life depended on it?

I swear every fucking day there's a new thread that exists to just say "if you don't like the sequel trilogy you're wrong".

Yes, movies evolve as the script is developed further and refined. Big fucking surprise. We even have comments from Alec Guinness confirming George Lucas was editing the script even as they were filming A New Hope.

So what? You guys are so damn eager to put the sequel trilogy on a pedestal to protect it from any criticisms you can't even see that that is nothing at all like the structure of the sequel trilogy.

George Lucas was heavily involved in the scripts and overall story for the original trilogy. The only one he didn't directly write himself was Empire, but that was still produced from the story he wanted to tell.

The original trilogy had a singular vision, even if it was always evolving. That is totally different to the structure of the sequel trilogy, where each director literally does whatever THEY think is the interesting way to take THEIR movie.

As Mark Hamill said, the sequel trilogy is a relay race. Once you've done your movie, your part is over. Abrams didn't get involved at all in The Last Jedi besides reading the script and Johnson didn't get involved at all in Rise of Skywalker besides presumably reading the script.

Why you guys are always trying so hard to make excuses for that I have no idea. It was a risky move by Disney to push the sequel trilogy out faster and it didn't work. Ironically enough the people who try so hard to make excuses for it are the ones who are also super eager to see Rian Johnson write and direct more than one successive Star Wars movie.

Make up your damn minds, will you?
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Garlador

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Oh George you lovely weirdo
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I'm always amused that C3P-O was just outright a genderbent Maria at the start.
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I'm always amused that C3P-O was just outright a genderbent Maria at the start.
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yup, and that the concept art by McQuarrie is what convinced Anthony Daniels to take the role.

The art generally went a long way to convince 20th Century Fox to pick up the project after everyone else had pretty much rejected Lucas.
 

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i like the draft where the dude who discovers the force teach it to his 12 children
 

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You're zeroing in on one part of a much larger thread though. The purpose of this thread is to dive into those early ideas for the first movie.

Then I do wish people wouldn't begin their threads with "to debunk this criticism of the sequel trilogy, I will now explore how the original trilogy was no different".

There is a lot of great discussion to be had about the creative process behind the first Star Wars movie, but when you establish your discussion with your very first sentence as an excuse to address criticism of the sequel trilogy it's a bit hard to not get annoyed by it.
 

lunarworks

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Then I do wish people wouldn't begin their threads with "to debunk this criticism of the sequel trilogy, I will now explore how the original trilogy was no different".

There is a lot of great discussion to be had about the creative process behind the first Star Wars movie, but when you establish your discussion with your very first sentence as an excuse to address criticism of the sequel trilogy it's a bit hard to not get annoyed by it.
But the big anti-sequel talking point that keeps getting repeated right now is that they went into developing it without some master plan that spans three films. This is positively countering that in a matter-of-fact way, while introducing people to a very interesting peek into how the series was developed that they may not have found otherwise.
 
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Then I do wish people wouldn't begin their threads with "to debunk this criticism of the sequel trilogy, I will now explore how the original trilogy was no different".

There is a lot of great discussion to be had about the creative process behind the first Star Wars movie, but when you establish your discussion with your very first sentence as an excuse to address criticism of the sequel trilogy it's a bit hard to not get annoyed by it.

If that's what you understood, I should probably edit what I wrote.

What I meant was that while browsing through a thread and hearing people complain about the sequel trilogy, some people were wondering if Lucas had everything planned in advance. I didn't feel like writing a long post in that thread and decided to write a new one.
If you read my OP, I never said that any trilogy was superior to others nor did I criticize Lucas. I'm merely trying to inform people who were genuinely curious.
 
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Read this book... it's utterly insane the number of reworks and details in here that didn't make it to the screen or pop up again in Empire or Jedi. A real eye opener, and I'm not even halfway through the damn thing. It's a really amazing book (series of, in fact, I have the Empire and Jedi ones too!).

Yeah, these books are great! The one for "Alien" just came out as well, and "Aliens" is coming out in May.
 

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Always interesting to get reminded of this stuff, cheers OP.

Oh my god can you guys just, for one fucking day, not make threads defending the sequel trilogy as if your damn life depended on it?

I swear every fucking day there's a new thread that exists to just say "if you don't like the sequel trilogy you're wrong".

Yes, movies evolve as the script is developed further and refined. Big fucking surprise. We even have comments from Alec Guinness confirming George Lucas was editing the script even as they were filming A New Hope.

So what? You guys are so damn eager to put the sequel trilogy on a pedestal to protect it from any criticisms you can't even see that that is nothing at all like the structure of the sequel trilogy.

George Lucas was heavily involved in the scripts and overall story for the original trilogy. The only one he didn't directly write himself was Empire, but that was still produced from the story he wanted to tell.

The original trilogy had a singular vision, even if it was always evolving. That is totally different to the structure of the sequel trilogy, where each director literally does whatever THEY think is the interesting way to take THEIR movie.

As Mark Hamill said, the sequel trilogy is a relay race. Once you've done your movie, your part is over. Abrams didn't get involved at all in The Last Jedi besides reading the script and Johnson didn't get involved at all in Rise of Skywalker besides presumably reading the script.

Why you guys are always trying so hard to make excuses for that I have no idea. It was a risky move by Disney to push the sequel trilogy out faster and it didn't work. Ironically enough the people who try so hard to make excuses for it are the ones who are also super eager to see Rian Johnson write and direct more than one successive Star Wars movie.

Make up your damn minds, will you?

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It's also worth reading the novelisation of the ANH, which was based on an earlier draft of the script. The dialogue, especially, has a strong whiff of the prequels about it, showing just how much the work of others helped elevate the originals.
 

DiipuSurotu

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It's also worth reading the novelisation of the ANH, which was based on an earlier draft of the script. The dialogue, especially, has a strong whiff of the prequels about it, showing just how much the work of others helped elevate the originals.

Even the TESB novelization is pretty bad
 

BlackGoku03

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If that's what you understood, I should probably edit what I wrote.

What I meant was that while browsing through a thread and hearing people complain about the sequel trilogy, some people were wondering if Lucas had everything planned in advance. I didn't feel like writing a long post in that thread and decided to write a new one.
If you read my OP, I never said that any trilogy was superior to others nor did I criticize Lucas. I'm merely trying to inform people who were genuinely curious.
I took it the same way but didn't want to post and be dog piled.

So, I see what you're saying in the OP but it's still a different collaborative process than what's happened with the sequel trilogy. To me anyway. I wish the process that made up the final script for A New Hope was done for the new movies. Actually, I wish it was done for the prequels as well.

I don't like calling them lightning in a bottle either. That phrase better fits Ghostbusters. The original trilogy was built, as you've shown, by having the ideas man (Lucas) and then having everyone else refine, refine, refine. That and the spectacle, made the OT what it is. If Hamill is right, and the ST is more of a relay race with the story, then why do people say the process for both the OT and the ST are the same when it clearly isn't?
 
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I took it the same way but didn't want to post and be dog piled.

So, I see what you're saying in the OP but it's still a different collaborative process than what's happened with the sequel trilogy. To me anyway. I wish the process that made up the final script for A New Hope was done for the new movies. Actually, I wish it was done for the prequels as well.

I don't like calling them lightning in a bottle either. That phrase better fits Ghostbusters. The original trilogy was built, as you've shown, by having the ideas man (Lucas) and then having everyone else refine, refine, refine. That and the spectacle, made the OT what it is. If Hamill is right, and the ST is more of a relay race with the story, then why do people say the process for both the OT and the ST are the same when it clearly isn't?

OK, I reedited my first sentence to make my intentions clearer. I hope it comes across better now.

I don't want to go offtopic, but I'll just say this about the ST: I honestly think that Lucasfilm wanted to have an auteur touch for each of the films instead of it feeling like a well-oiled (but arguably too safe) machine like the MCU. They hired JJ to get the ball rolling, Johnson to give us that weird middle chapter and Trevorrow to tie the bow on top.

But did this auteur experiment actually work? We'll let history decide.
 

BlackGoku03

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OK, I reedited my first sentence to make my intentions clearer. I hope it comes across better now.

I don't want to go offtopic, but I'll just say this about the ST: I honestly think that Lucasfilm wanted to have an auteur touch for each of the films instead of it feeling like a well-oiled (but arguably too safe) machine like the MCU. They hired JJ to get the ball rolling, Johnson to give us that weird middle chapter and Trevorrow to tie the bow on top.

But did this auteur experiment actually work? We'll let history decide.
Yeah IDK. We'll see. I've only seen TLJ twice and that's about 20 less than every other Star Wars movie. I don't hate it but I don't like it either. And as much shit as I've said about the ST, I bought 5 tickets for my wife, me and my friends for Rise of Skywalker. Something is wrong with me.

I just wish the outline and history you presented in the OP occurred for the other trilogies. I'll be buying that book that was posted in this thread too! Looking for it now...
 

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Honestly, planning a trilogy is super hard, and not being one originally may have worked in favor of "Star Wars" (as in the original title of Episode IV: A New Hope). Apparently that only became a thing after they decided during production of ESB that Vader was Luke's father.

Back to the Future and Indiana Jones weren't planned either.

Mass Effect, the PT, and ST show that announcing trilogies creates expectations that can't possibly be met. It's interesting that the trilogies aforementioned that were well-received turned out to be retroactively changed. Maybe that's the best solution: focusing on standalone experiences, but leaving room for more.
 

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highly recommend this book which looks in to all the known drafts of the original film.
I've been wanting to get this for so long. The evolution of the series has always been super fascinating to me. I can also never stop think about what could've been if George decided to make the sequel trilogy like he planned back in the day instead of retrofitting it all into Episode VI.
 

NookSports

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Back to the Future and Indiana Jones weren't planned either.
I wouldn't call the first 3 Indiana Jones movies a "trilogy." There's no overarching storyline between the three.

BTTF's last 2 movies were shot back to back, so you have a point there.

I think the discussion over whether a planned trilogy is better than an unplanned trilogy is not particularly useful. Other than pre-existing stuff like Lord of the Rings, how many movie trilogies have been planned? Don't most follow the same pattern of: "standalone first movie; if successful, make more," that Star Wars, the Matrix and others have followed?
 

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Oh my god can you guys just, for one fucking day, not make threads defending the sequel trilogy as if your damn life depended on it?

I swear every fucking day there's a new thread that exists to just say "if you don't like the sequel trilogy you're wrong".

Yes, movies evolve as the script is developed further and refined. Big fucking surprise. We even have comments from Alec Guinness confirming George Lucas was editing the script even as they were filming A New Hope.

So what? You guys are so damn eager to put the sequel trilogy on a pedestal to protect it from any criticisms you can't even see that that is nothing at all like the structure of the sequel trilogy.

George Lucas was heavily involved in the scripts and overall story for the original trilogy. The only one he didn't directly write himself was Empire, but that was still produced from the story he wanted to tell.

The original trilogy had a singular vision, even if it was always evolving. That is totally different to the structure of the sequel trilogy, where each director literally does whatever THEY think is the interesting way to take THEIR movie.

As Mark Hamill said, the sequel trilogy is a relay race. Once you've done your movie, your part is over. Abrams didn't get involved at all in The Last Jedi besides reading the script and Johnson didn't get involved at all in Rise of Skywalker besides presumably reading the script.

Why you guys are always trying so hard to make excuses for that I have no idea. It was a risky move by Disney to push the sequel trilogy out faster and it didn't work. Ironically enough the people who try so hard to make excuses for it are the ones who are also super eager to see Rian Johnson write and direct more than one successive Star Wars movie.

Make up your damn minds, will you?
Who hurt you?
 

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I wouldn't call the first 3 Indiana Jones movies a "trilogy." There's no overarching storyline between the three.

BTTF's last 2 movies were shot back to back, so you have a point there.

I think the discussion over whether a planned trilogy is better than an unplanned trilogy is not particularly useful. Other than pre-existing stuff like Lord of the Rings, how many movie trilogies have been planned? Don't most follow the same pattern of: "standalone first movie; if successful, make more," that Star Wars, the Matrix and others have followed?
I think it makes sense here because there's often a lot of talk about how the PT and ST are very divisive, to say the least. George "forced" himself to do one when he made ANH and ESB Episodes IV and V, respectively. Suddenly, he HAD to do I, II, and III at some point.

To be clear, I like the ST, but I do agree that announcing a trilogy forces you creatively, and creates unnecessary expectations in people.
 

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I would highly recommend reading "How Star Wars Conquered the Universe"
Covers this, albeit briefer, and a lot more interesting stuff. Read it for my Star Wars Humanities course this semester
 

phonicjoy

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I think it makes sense here because there's often a lot of talk about how the PT and ST are very divisive, to say the least. George "forced" himself to do one when he made ANH and ESB Episodes IV and V, respectively. Suddenly, he HAD to do I, II, and III at some point.

To be clear, I like the ST, but I do agree that announcing a trilogy forces you creatively, and creates unnecessary expectations in people.

Doesnt it also give you more space to breath? As a storytelling device, maybe films are too limiting. Some of my favorite pieces of story telling were TV shows, where there is more character buildup. Planning multiple films lets you create wildly different films that still fit in a story structure.
 

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Doesnt it also give you more space to breath? As a storytelling device, maybe films are too limiting. Some of my favorite pieces of story telling were TV shows, where there is more character buildup. Planning multiple films lets you create wildly different films that still fit in a story structure.
I'd probably compare a film to a show's season, in the sense that an episode isn't seen as a sequel, but as part of the package. It's not a fair comparison though, because of length.

I don't think this problem is necessarily exclusive to films. I mean, I mentioned the Mass Effect trilogy as an example. Unless you do everything at once and release later (LotR style), things will certainly change during development - some stories might not work well, problems you can't fix in time, etc. And there's also the fact that LotR had a source material to begin with. On the other hand, if you take The Hobbit's example, it shows a trilogy isn't a recipe for success.

I think focusing on standalone projects that have the potential for a sequel work best. You resolve the main conflict of that story, but you leave enough open to address in the future. And that worked well for ANH.
 

phonicjoy

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I'd probably compare a film to a show's season, in the sense that an episode isn't seen as a sequel, but as part of the package. It's not a fair comparison though, because of length.

I don't think this problem is necessarily exclusive to films. I mean, I mentioned the Mass Effect trilogy as an example. Unless you do everything at once and release later (LotR style), things will certainly change during development - some stories might not work well, problems you can't fix in time, etc. And there's also the fact that LotR had a source material to begin with. On the other hand, if you take The Hobbit's example, it shows a trilogy isn't a recipe for success.

I think focusing on standalone projects that have the potential for a sequel work best. You resolve the main conflict of that story, but you leave enough open to address in the future. And that worked well for ANH.

i think history has proven you right. Feels like there is a potential for something more there though.
 

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While reading the umpteenth post on Star Wars on Resetera, there have been people on those threads wondering, "How much did Lucas plan out the original trilogy?" Well, the answer to that is... Just like any work of fiction, you have an idea and you write it down. Then you move things around and edit things, and re-work other ideas and come up with even better ones. It's a whole process and to think that any creator sits down and hammers out a masterpiece in one go is fooling themselves.

So I'd like to share with you how the script for the original Star Wars evolved. The information can be found in more detail in the book, "The Secret History of Star Wars" by Michael Kaminski. I've read it myself and it is a very good look and analysis of every draft of every Star Wars film (well, episodes 4 though 6 and then the prequels).

In any case, I'd like to share with you a overview of the evolution of the original Star Wars to show that creating Star Wars took years of edits and rewrites and in the process, ideas were tossed only to be reworked in further films.

ONE: Story Synopsis - May 1973 "The Star Wars"

The galaxy is plagued by a civil war between an evil Empire and rebel forces. Two bickering Imperial bureaucrats try to flee from a space fortress which is under attack, and crash land on the planet of Aquilae. A wanted rebel princess and her relentless general Luke Skywalker, on their way to a space port in order to get the princess to safety, find and capture them and after a hazardous journey the group make it to a religious temple where they discover a band of young boy rebels. The boys decide to follow them across the wasteland in spite of the general's reluctance, and they soon reach a shabby cantina near the space port where the general is forced to use his "lazer sword" to kill a bully who is taunting one of the boys. The group, pursued by Imperial troops, must steal a fighter ship in order to escape and after a long chase they manage to hide in an asteroid field. However, the rebels' ship is damaged and they are forced to jettison towards the forbidden planet of Yavin with rocket packs. On Yavin, they travel on "jet-sticks" made from their rocket packs, until they are attacked by giant furry aliens who capture the princess and the bureaucrats and sell them to an Imperial platoon. Skywalker is almost killed, but one of the aliens helps to take him to an old farmer who know where the Imperial outpost is. After an attack on the outpost, the general and the boys learn that the princess has been taken to Alderaan, a "city-planet" and the capitol of the Empire. After rigorous training, Skywalker and the young rebels man a squadron of fighter ships, and disguised as Imperial rangers they manage to reach the prison complex of Alderaan. They free the princess, but an alarm goes off and a few of the boys are killed before the group is able to escape to the friendly planet of Ophuchi. There, everyone (including the bureaucrats) are rewarded at a ceremony, as the princess reveals her true goddess-like self.

TL;DR: It's basically a carbon copy of The Hidden Fortress, where General Luke Skywalker is a grizzled old man taking a princess to safety, and accompanying them are a couple of marooned Imperial bureaucrats. There is an astroid belt scene, jet packs, they have to rescue the princess and they are rewarded at the end.


TWO: Rough Draft - May 1974 "The Star Wars"

The Jedi-Bendu warriors served the Empire for many millennia, before rebelling against the new corrupted emperor. Hunted down and killed by the Knights of Sith (a sinister rival sect), the Jedi are now all but extinct and a New Galactic Empire has arisen.

Kane Starkiller, a Jedi-Bendu master, is in hiding on the Fourth Moon of Utapau with his two sons Annikin and Deak, when a Sith warrior finds them and Deak is killed. The surviving Starkillers head to the Aquilae system, where they are met by Kane's old Jedi friend, General Luke Skywalker. Kane, whose war-battered body is a concoction of artificial limbs, knows that he is dying, and persuades Luke to become Annikin's Jedi teacher. He then travels to the city of Gordon, leaving his son with Skywalker and the King of Aquilae. Clieg Whitsun, a rebel spy on the emperor's planet of Alderaan, has learned that an Imperial fleet, led by General Darth Vader and Governor Crispin Hoedaack, is about to conquer Aquilae with a "death star" space fortress. Rebel fighters are sent out to stop the attack, but the Aquilaean king is killed, and instead of Princess Leia (the rightful heir), a corrupt senator takes over, surrendering the planet to the Empire.

Annikin, Luke and Whitsun, joined by Artwo Detwo and See Threepio (two bickering robots who have escaped from the space fortress), bring Leia and her two younger brothers to the spaceport at Gordon, from where they can reach safety. After a fight at a cantina, where Skywalker uses his "lasersword" to kill his antagonists, the group meet up with Kane and his alien friend Han Solo who have arranged transport to a friendly planet. They need a power unit for suspended animation in order to get past Imperial scanners, and Kane heroically rips one from his body, causing his death. After avoiding a trap set by Vader and Prince Valorum (the black Knight of the Sith), the rebels are pursued into space, where the arguing Leia and Annikin realize that they love each other. Their craft is damaged in an asteroid field and Whitsun dies as it explodes, but the others abandon ship in time and land on the jungle planet of Yavin, where Leia is captured by alien trappers. Annikin tries to rescue her, but only succeeds in freeing five "Wookees" (huge, grey and furry beasts), and Leia eventually ends up in the hands of the Empire.

After a tip from two anthropologists, the rebels and the Wookee tribe (including Prince Chewbacca) attack an Imperial outpost, and a forest battle ensues. When he learns that Leia is held captive aboard the space fortress, General Skywalker starts training the Wookees to fly fighter ships in order to conquer the death star. Annikin is sceptical of the plan and gets onto the fortress (together with Artwo) on a mission of his own, dressed as an Imperial "skyraider", but he is soon captured and tortured by General Vader. Valorum sees this and realizes that the Imperials are completely without honour and codes, and that he has more in common with the young Jedi than with the emperor. Turning his back on the Empire, he frees both Annikin and Leia, and they escape down a garbage chute. After almost being crushed in the garbage receptacle, Valorum, Leia, Annikin, and Artwo manage to abandon the station just before the Wookees destroy it, killing both Vader and Governor Hoedaack. Back in her throne room, Queen Leia honours the heroes (including Valorum), and Annikin is appointed new Lord Protector of Aquilae.

TL;DR: It's very dense but...the Jedi and the Sith become a thing except here the story is one of a father, Kane Starkiller and his two sons Annikin and Deak. Kane is killed by a sith lord and the sons go off on a mission to avenge him. To help them is their father's friend, General Luke Skywalker and trains Annikin to become a Jedi. There are some politics between General Darth Vader and Princess Leia. The brothers are helped by a couple of robots, there are 'laserswords', astroid belt, Wookies, battle in a forest and the Wookies blow up the base killing Vader and another baddie.


THREE: Second Draft - January 1975 "The Adventures of the Starkiller (Episode One): "The Star Wars" "

Once there was a holy man called the Skywalker who discovered an energy field which could influence the destiny of all living things. Known as "the force of others", it consists of a good half (the Ashla), which the Skywalker came to know, and an evil part (the Bogan) which he was able to resist. His powers grew strong, helping him to found the Republic Galactica, but since the Bogan can bring much suffering in the hands of someone weak, he entrusted his secret only to his twelve children.

For many thousand years, the descendants of the Skywalker (known as the Jedi Bendu of the Ashla) served the force of others and brought peace to the galaxy. As the Republic grew, however, the Great Senate became corrupted, and the Jedi who interfered were denounced as traitors. Wars and terrorism increased to the point where citizens welcomed a police state, and the tyrannical First Galactic Empire was born. A Jedi named Darklighter fell victim to the Bogan, teaching its evil ways to a pirate clan known as the Black Knights of the Sith, who became Imperial servants and hunted down and killed most of the Jedi. Now, a growing rebel Alliance led by the Starkiller (a surviving Jedi) has won a crucial victory over the Imperial fleet, but the Bogan is very strong, weakening the old Jedi. However, according to the prophecies, a saviour shall come – known as "the son of the suns".

Deak and Clieg, sons of the Starkiller, are on their way to their brother Luke on the planet Utapau, sent by their father to retrieve the diamond-like "Kiber Crystal" which a Jedi can use to intensify either side of the force a hundred fold. However, their ship is boarded by Lord Darth Vader (a Black Knight of the Sith) and his stormtroopers, and Clieg is killed. Vader believes that Deak is the last son of the Starkiller, and as Deak wears his father's crest, the Lord takes for granted that the Starkiller is dead, and that he has altered destiny by capturing "the son of the suns". Vader orders the attack of the rebel base on Ogana Major, not knowing that Artoo Detoo and See Threepio, two of Deak's robots (or "droids"), have escaped to Utapau in order to bring a message to Luke. After a run-in with some filthy "Jawa" scavengers, they reach the farm where Luke lives with his two younger brothers Biggs and Windy, his Uncle Owen Lars and Aunt Beru, and their daughter Leia. Luke has never met his legendary father, and when he learns that he must bring the crystal to him he feels intimidated. Owen has taught Luke the ways of a skilled warrior (including the "laser sword"), but the spiritual ways of the Jedi can be taught only by his father.

Accepting his destiny, Luke takes the crystal and leaves with the droids for the spaceport at Mos Eisley. There, Luke is forced to use his laser sword against three drunken creatures in a cantina, impressing Han Solo (who claims to be a starpilot) and his companion Chewbacca (a "Wookiee" creature), who offer Luke passage to Ogana Major for a huge sum of money. Han, who is merely a cabin boy, fakes a reactor failure on board his Captain Oxus's ship, tricking Oxus (and the crewman Jabba the Hutt) into evacuating. Han and Chewbacca, together with the ship's science officer Montross Holdaack, then lift off with Luke and the droids. They reach Ogana Major only to find it completely destroyed.

Believing his father is dead, Luke assures Han that his brother Deak will provide payment for the passage – but they will have to rescue him from the Imperial dungeons of Alderaan. Approaching Alderaan, they hide in secret compartments as the ship is towed inside the Imperial city. Their ship is searched without result, as Han and Luke take out two troopers and steal their uniforms. Montross stays behind as Han, Luke, Chewbacca (posing as a prisoner), and the droids leave for the detention area. They find the tortured Deak, and after escaping a horrible dungeon monster, Chewbacca manages to bring him back to the hangar. Luke and Han, however, are cornered by Sith knights and forced to jump down a debris chute, ending up in a garbage room, where they are about to be crushed when the droids rescue them. They reach the ship and blast off into space, defeating their pursuers in a dogfight.

As Luke uses the Kiber Crystal to heal his brother, he receives a mental message from his father, telling him to come to the new rebel base on the fourth moon of Yavin. On the jungle moon, Luke meets his wizened old father for the first time, but the "Death Star" (the battle station which destroyed Ogana Major) is approaching, and Luke's Jedi training will have to wait. An assault on the station is organized, but Han, content with his momentous reward, leaves with Chewbacca and Montross, refusing to help. With Threepio and the ranger Bail Antilles as his gunners, Luke pilots one of the rebel ships attacking the Death Star, while his father uses the crystal to fight the Bogan. Sensing the Ashla, Lord Vader realizes that the Starkiller is alive, and joins the battle in his own fighter. He is just about to destroy Luke's ship, when Han reappears, sending the Sith knight to his doom. In a final attempt, both Threepio and Antilles manage to hit the station's weak point, reducing the mighty fortress to space dust. Back at the base, the heroes are greeted by the Starkiller who praises their victory as the start of the revolution.

TL; DR: The Force now makes an appearance (called 'The Force of Other') which has a good side, 'The Ashla' and an evil side called 'The Bogan'. The Force of Others was discovered by a wise old man named Skywalker who entrusted it to his 12 children. So this started the lineage of the Jedi who were supposed to guard this power. 1000 generations later they were killed by a betrayer Jedi, Darklighter. But there's a rebel alliance led by Starkiller and this story is about his three sons, one of whom is named Luke. They go looking for a Kiber Crystal that will intensify the force powers, but their ship is boarded by Lord Vader and Luke's brother is killed. After that, it follows the same beats as Episode 4: Luke has a couple of robots and the crystal and goes to Mos Eisley and needs transport to rescue his other brother from prison. He gets help from Han Solo and a Wookie. He says his brother will pay for the fare when they arrive. They rescue his brother from the prison and Luke uses the crystal to find the rebel base. They go to that planet and then they blow up the Death Star.


FOUR: The Third Draft - August 1975 "The Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Starkiller"

The Republic Galactica is dead – ruthless trader barons have replaced democracy with the First Galactic Empire. The Jedi knights were the guardians of peace in the galaxy for more than a thousand years, but now they are all but extinct, destroyed by the Emperor's agents: the Dark Lords of the Sith. The Jedi and the Sith are both users of "the Force of Others", an energy field which controls one's actions, yet obeys one's commands. Two sides of the Force are always present: a positive side, which the Jedi store in themselves, and a negative side (called the Bogan), which is used by the Sith. Either side can be amplified using a "Kiber Crystal", but all known crystals have fallen in the hands of the Dark Lords. However, Rebel Armies have won a crushing victory over the Imperial Starfleet, and the Emperor – afraid of losing control of the Outland systems – has sent his most ferocious Dark Lord to find and destroy the rebels.

Above the planet of Utapau, stormtroopers led by Darth Vader (a Sith Lord and right hand of the Emperor) overtake a rebel spaceship, and conduct a search for the stolen plans to the Empire's "Death Star" battle station. A young rebel princess called Leia Organa is captured by the Imperials, but she refuses to reveal the whereabouts of the information. A young farm boy named Luke Starkiller has seen the space battle from Utapau's wasteland with his "electrobinoculars", but when he tells his friends at Anchorhead about it, they dismiss it as a fantasy. Luke is deeply impressed by (and jealous of) his best friend Biggs Darklighter who has graduated from the academy, becoming a startrooper cadet.

Before the princess was captured, two robots named See Threepio (a tall "Human Cyborg relations droid") and Artoo Detoo (a short, beeping triped) abandoned the rebel ship, crashing in the Utapau desert. Artoo carries the Death Star plans and a message from Leia in his innards as the two "droids" are captured by "Jawa" scavengers and taken to the Lars homestead where Luke lives with his Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen. The Jawas peddle the robots to Owen, and Luke decides to apply to the academy now that they have two extra droids on the farm. When it turns out that his academy savings were spent on the robots, Luke wishes his late Jedi father were there.

Cleaning Artoo, he stumbles upon the hologram message, in which Leia wants the droids delivered to Organa Major and says that she has been taken to Alderaan. Luke runs away from home with the droids in order to get help from General Ben Kenobi, a Jedi knight his father had told him about. After being attacked by barbaric "Tusken Raiders", Luke is found by old Ben who claims he has become too old for adventures, proving his point by angrily cracking open his artificial arm. After some thought, Ben changes his mind, but since he has little Force left in him, he starts teaching Luke about the Force of Others as they leave with the droids for Mos Eisley spaceport. On Alderaan, Vader and his fellow Sith Lords feel something old awakening, strengthening the Force. After using his "laser-sword" to defend Luke against some creatures at a Mos Eisley cantina, Ben and his friends follow a furry "Wookiee" called Chewbacca to a nearby docking bay where they are introduced to a cocky starpilot named Han Solo who agrees to take them to Organa Major for a considerable amount of money. Han tricks some evil pirates – including Jabba the Hutt, the financier of his ship – into leaving the docking area, and as the heroes leave Mos Eisley, a furious Jabba is left behind.

Aboard the ship, Ben feels that something horrible has happened, and when they reach Organa Major they find the planet destroyed by the Empire. Now they must rescue the princess from the Imperial city of Alderaan in order to find the rebels. At Alderaan, their ship is boarded by stormtroopers, but only Threepio is found since the others are hiding in scan-proof lockers. Luke and Han steal stormtrooper uniforms, and with Chewbacca posing as their prisoner, they leave for the detention area, where they wreak havoc and find the tortured Leia. The groggy princess takes command of the situation, and after getting past a "Dia Nogu" monster, they jump down a chute leading to a garbage masher from where they are saved by the droids. Using the Force and his laser-sword, Ben has managed to retrieve one of the Kiber Crystals, but he meets Vader on his way back, and a duel commences. As the others make it to the hangar, Ben slams down a blast door between Vader and himself, and everybody manages to escape in Han's ship.

Four pursuing "tie" fighters are shot down, and the ship reaches the Masassi outpost on the fourth moon of Yavin, where the rebels plan an assault on the approaching Death Star (the plans inside Artoo give a "thermal exhaust port" as the station's weak point). Han leaves after receiving his money, while Luke claims a place in the battle as his reward. The attack has gone poorly for the rebels, when Luke approaches the target with the Kiber Crystal in his hand. Vader feels the Force in Luke and starts chasing him in his fighter, when suddenly, Han's ship turns up firing, causing the Sith Lord to collide with his wing man. As Vader's ship spins out of control, Luke fires a torpedo into the exhaust port and the Death Star explodes. At a ceremony back at the outpost, Luke, Artoo, Threepio, Han and Chewbacca are awarded gold medallions.

TL;DR: This is where the script begins to resemble the finished product. The main differences are that Tatooine is called Utapau, Uncle Owen is not very nice (he spends Luke's Academy money to purchase the droids from the Jawas). Luke actually has memories of his father and he remembers him telling him about General Kenobi. So Luke runs aways and finds Kenobi (who has an artificial arm) and they go off to rescue the Princess. Oh and the Kiber Crystal is still a thing that helps people channel the Force.


FIVE: Revised Fourth Draft "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope – From the Journal of the Whills"

There is a civil war between the evil Galactic Empire and a Rebel Alliance. In order to crush its opponents, the Empire has constructed the "Death Star" – a space fortress capable of destroying planets – but the Rebels have managed to steal secret plans to the station, and now, the Rebel Princess Leia Organa is on her way home to Alderaan with the stolen information.

Above Tatooine, Leia's ship is overtaken by an Imperial Stardestroyer. Leia is captured by Darth Vader (the Emperor's Dark Lord of the Sith), but his stormtroopers do not find the plans. Artoo-Detoo and See-Threepio, two Rebel robots (or "droids"), abandon the ship in a lifepod, crashing in the Tatooine desert. Imperials locate the pod, but the data is not there – the robots have been captured by "Jawa" scavengers. Luke Skywalker has spotted the space battle with his "electrobinoculars", but his friends at Anchorhead do not believe him. Luke's best friend Biggs Darklighter is the first mate on a space frigate, but as an Academy graduate he is likely to be drafted into the Imperial Starfleet, thus he has decided to jump ship and join the Rebellion. The Jawas' "Sandcrawler" arrives at the farm where Luke lives with his Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru, and the two droids are sold to Owen. Luke is cleaning Artoo when a hologram of Leia appears, begging for the help of an Obi-Wan Kenobi. Luke wonders if she means the hermit Ben Kenobi, but Owen claims that Ben is dead. Owen further upsets Luke by telling him that he cannot go to the Academy since he is needed at the farm.

Meanwhile, Artoo has escaped, and Luke and Threepio leave in a "Landspeeder" in search for him. Upon finding Artoo, they are attacked by vicious "Tusken Raiders", but the creatures are chased away by an old man who turns out to be Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi. At Ben's dwelling, Luke receives his father's "lightsaber", learning that his father and Ben were Jedi Knights. The Jedi served as peace keepers of the Old Republic, but were hunted and killed as the Empire grew. According to Ben, Darth Vader, a pupil of his, was seduced by the dark side of "the Force" (an energy field which binds the galaxy together) and murdered Luke's father. Leia's hologram tells Ben about her capture and asks him to deliver Artoo to her father on Alderaan, since the droid contains vital information. Luke declines to follow Ben to Alderaan, but agrees to take him as far as Anchorhead. On their way, they find the Jawas killed by what seem to be Imperial troopers. Luke drives home, fearing for the lives of Owen and Beru, but only their smouldering remains are left.

Meeting up with Ben, Luke says that he will go to Alderaan, learn about the Force, and become a Jedi. At Mos Eisley Spaceport, Ben uses the Force to get past Imperial guards, and when Luke is threatened by some hideous creatures in a cantina, the old Jedi shows his lightsaber skills. Han Solo (captain of a ship called the Millennium Falcon) and Chewbacca (his "Wookiee" co-pilot) agree to take the group to Alderaan if they are well paid, and Luke and his friends leave to sell the speeder. Han avoids getting killed by a bounty hunter at the cantina, but back at his ship he is confronted by the mercenary's employer – Jabba the Hut. Solo is heavily in debt to Jabba, and the alien pirate threatens to put a large prize on Han's head if he does not pay him soon. The Empire is on their trail, but Luke, Ben, the droids, Han, and Chewbacca manage to escape into hyperspace with the Falcon.

On the Death Star, Vader and the Grand Moff Tarkin (a governor), tired of Leia's loyalty, order the destruction of Alderaan. During Luke's lightsaber practise, Ben feels a sudden disturbance in the Force, and as they reach Alderaan, the planet is gone. Without realizing it, they approach the Death Star, and their ship is towed aboard the station with a tractor beam. The Falcon is searched without result since the crew is hiding in smuggling compartments. Han and Luke steal trooper uniforms, and the group con their way into a command office where Artoo locates the tractor beam's power source. Ben leaves to shut it down, while Artoo notices that Leia is held aboard the station.

Luke and Han leave for the detention area with Chewbacca posing as their prisoner. After some fighting, Leia is freed from her cell, but they are cornered by Imperials and forced to slide down a garbage chute. After almost being drowned by a tentacled "Dia Nogu" and crushed by moving walls, they are released from the garbage room by the droids and fight their way back to the ship. The tractor beam is shut down, but Ben encounters Vader, and a lightsaber duel commences.

Realizing that the others are safe, Ben ceases fighting and is struck by the Dark Lord. Only the cloak is left of Ben as the Millennium Falcon shoots down the pursuing "TIE" fighters and heads for the Rebel outpost of Massassi on the fourth moon of Yavin, where Luke is reunited with Biggs. Han leaves with his reward, as Luke, Biggs, and the Rebel pilots attack the Death Star. Most Rebels, including Biggs, have been killed when Luke's "X-wing" ship approaches the weak point which was found using Artoo's plans. Vader, in his personal ship, is about to fire on Luke, when the Falcon turns up, sending the Dark Lord spinning into space. Luke hears Ben's voice and uses the Force to hit the small target. Tarkin and his battle station are reduced to space dust, while the heroes are rewarded by the princess back at the base.

TL;DR: Yeah, it's basically Episode 4.
So uh...

Reading this again, why couldn't this happen for the ST?

So the original trilogy had a singular vision from Lucas. But it seems like a true collaborative process took place on each phase f each of these movies. And Lucas only had to direct the first one. No "Yes Men" surrounding him, fellating each bad idea.

Then we get the prequel trilogy. Lucas is a God at this point, so we can't tell him no to anything. No true collaborative process took place. It was all Lucas, all the time.

Then we get where we're at now. A relay race of ambivalence. And it shows. Good ideas presented in the first two movies (albeit with lots of flaws), but they don't flow well into TROS. And TROS kind of let's you know, straight up, yeah we just winged this shit.

Maybe they should try doing what they did the first time? I know collaborating with other writers and directors is hard, but if Disney can do it three times a year with the MCU, they can apply a light form of that in their new Star Wars properties.