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The Avengers: The PS5/XSX version is out. A new character released. It's Saturday night. It has 600 viewers on Twitch.

ZeoVGM

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And if I'm reading the Stream stats correctly, it isn't in the top 100 games.

This seems... bad.

Is it even remotely possible for this game to saved at this point and not have development halted in 2022? I find it very hard to imagine any scenario where that happens. The "road map" they released is certainly not going to bring players back. The Wakanda expansion and Black Panther doesn't seem to be until the end of the year. There is a good chance that Spider-Man gets pushed to early 2022.

It doesn't seem that people want to play this game in general. The slow updates and delayed content (which is due to both COVID and, clearly, their own development issues) certainly doesn't help but I don't think the interest is even there.

Am I wrong? Is there any possible way that this game can be turned around?
 
cvbas

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I really don't see how it can be saved.

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For reference: Avenger's 24h peak after a big updated was 2,629 players. Cyberpunk, a single-player only game notorious for its bugs and misleading marketing that got no post-release content at all, peaked at 18,646 in the past 24h.
 
gabegabe

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The game wanted to have a good single player campaign but also a nice GaaS content for people to keep playing it and in the end it didn't had any of it. I think they should just call it a day and move on to another project.
 
oni-link

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I just hope this and Anthem put publishers off from green lighting more of these boring ass grindathon GaaS games
 
Welfare

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It's dead. Nowhere to be found in the Xbox Too 50 Most Played, but that wouldn't take this update into account until next week.

Once Spider-Man comes out because of contracts this game is probably going on ice like Anthem.

Avengers is on sale right now and on Xbox it's below all 3 Tomb Raiders, Stubbs the Zombie, Steep, and Cyberpunk in the Top Paid section.
 
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TripleBee

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F2P and Crossplay are the only chance it has left imo. But I doubt they'd invest more - so I think it's dead.

If the Spiderman deal is really what killed crossplay, it might go down as the worst exclusive deal a publisher has ever taken.
 
Ryan.

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More of these games, and really any game that has MP, needs crossplay. You'll have such a more healthier community that's interacting with each other than 3-5 smaller communities struggling to play games.
 
cvbas

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Musubi said:
Y'all really need to quit taking steam numbers as the be-all of the health of a game. The majority of this game's population is on Playstation.
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While PC is obviously not the main platform for the game, I don't think you can completely disregard the fact that the numbers in a platform as big as Steam dropped so hard so fast and showed absolutely no sign of improving even after multiple updates (and sales).
 
Bessy67

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TripleBee said:
If the Spiderman deal is really what killed crossplay, it might go down as the worst exclusive deal a publisher has ever taken.
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Eh, it probably still worked out ok for both parties. Square got a likely decent chunk of guaranteed money for a game that turned out to be a turd, and Sony got the user base skewed heavily towards their platform and got another opportunity to pretend like they own the Spiderman IP.
 
DNAbro

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Also pointing out, it's not a watchable game. There isn't any content that is worth watching someone play, nothing high level or interesting.
 
IMCaprica

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The fact that Spider-Man was announced for PlayStation and he's not even on the year one roadmap says a lot about this game's chances.
 
texhnolyze

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Honestly, I wish it doesn't go F2P. Just give me a deep discount so that I can play the campaign. They can kill the server later but let the campaign intact.

DNAbro said:
Also pointing out, it's not a watchable game. There isn't any content that is worth watching someone play, nothing high level or interesting.
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But cool superheroes with cool moves, from the franchise with highest grossing movies of all times.
 
WinFonda

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i mean it's still missing the big, community drawing modes. larger group and raid stuff. as a solo player, personally i dont care about those things... but undoubtedly those are the things that draw metrics like twitch viewership and can permeate outwardly into other things. it's definitely not too late for them to add stuff like that, and it's coming. i'd say it's still very much in the 'if you build it, they will come' phase, but sure, building has been slow going. that said, there's a lot of eagerness for this game to seemingly fail. saying things like there's no interest is just, i think, categorically and wildly untrue. it's one of the biggest IPs in the world, there's without a shadow of a doubt interest.
 
SageShinigami

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Hawkeye was never gonna be all that big of a deal. And for people saying "I can't believe they thought Hawkeye was going to save this game." They didn't. DLC is done well before the actual game releases. In their minds, Avengers had a perfect launch and they thought, "Hawkeye's a fun addition to an existing game that works well". And also ideally for them Hawkeye releases in November with Black Panther clearly scheduled for December.

Between fixing all the bugs and working from home, new content both stopped briefly and had to slow down incredibly. So Kate Bishop is kicked from October to December, Hawkeye is moved from November to March, and Black Panther seems like he's not dropping until the Summer.

The best thing that could happen for this game if they're going to keep it around, is for them to get back in their offices so they can increase the speed at which they work, and to fix the PC version so it's not a POS compared to the console versions. And then add crossplay.

After that, they really need to make playing this game co-op have a point. Completing missions needs to mean something.
 
Trigger

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It can be saved if they can somehow fix the whole gear leveling aspect and create more content. There's just not much to do.

If nothing else, this is a solid Avengers game. If the project fails I hope some developer down the line focuses on the game's strengths.
 
Gustaf

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Oct 28, 2017
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any reason why saturday night would help a game get viewers on twitch?

wont be the exact opposite?

or do you think that people who watches twitch, do not go out on saturday night?
 
starfoxxxy

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Gustaf said:
any reason why saturday night would help a game get viewers on twitch?

wont be the exact opposite?

or do you think that people who watches twitch, do not go out on saturday night?
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In a pandemic? Also, i assume a weeknight wouldn't be more busy when people have weekly obligations like work and school.
 
egg

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I mean I personally always thought Avengers was a game thats boring to watch but fun to play. Even before release.
 
sredgrin

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Gustaf said:
any reason why saturday night would help a game get viewers on twitch?

wont be the exact opposite?

or do you think that people who watches twitch, do not go out on saturday night?
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Because it's like nearly every entertainment product, most viewers are the weekend simply because there's more people with more free time.
 
Kuro

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Gustaf said:
any reason why saturday night would help a game get viewers on twitch?

wont be the exact opposite?

or do you think that people who watches twitch, do not go out on saturday night?
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I get what you're saying but that doesn't really apply to current circumstances with the pandemic and all.
 
Gustaf

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starfoxxxy said:
In a pandemic? Also, i assume a weeknight wouldn't be more busy when people have weekly obligations like work and school.
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DNAbro said:
I'm pretty sure streams are always bigger on the weekends, especially now
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Cause we got no date, a 2 liter bottle of shasta and our all Rush mixtape.
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sredgrin said:
Because it's like nearly every entertainment product, most viewers are the weekend simply because there's more people with more free time.
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does every game get boosts on the weekends?
 
texhnolyze

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starfoxxxy said:
In a pandemic? Also, i assume a weeknight wouldn't be more busy when people have weekly obligations like work and school.
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Kuro said:
I get what you're saying but that doesn't really apply to current circumstances with the pandemic and all.
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It has nothing to do with pandemic, most electronic entertainment peak on weekends, since forever.

Maximo said:
You assume the social level of people who watch Twitch too much.
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Just like social level of people who watch Netflix etc.
 
asmith906

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Gustaf said:
but it wouldn't be more important to people to be playing the game, than just watching a stream of it?

whats the current player number on steam right now?
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Watching others play a game in a social setting while chatting with dozens of random people can be far more entertaining than playing the game yourself.

It's like how I can find enjoyment watching someone else play a bad game because I'm making jokes and talking to other people rather than playing it myself.

Avengers has had such bad word of mouth that I have literally no interest in even watching a trailer for it's upcoming content let alone a stream of it.
 
Gustaf

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texhnolyze said:
Why? Who decides which is more important? Twitch wouldn't have existed if that's the rule. Some people prefer to watch instead of playing.
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i think that square enix would rather have people playing the game and spending money on it, that just watching it.

so yeah, i think people actually buying and playing are more important for a game's longevity
 
Soj

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Put it on PS+ and Game Pass and get the MCU skins out ASAP.

It's actually a fun game once you level the characters up.
 
Serene

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How many different threads do we need to say "this thing is doomed"?

Seems pretty clear already at this point. lmao
 
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