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The $185 Wagyu Steak Sandwich
- Thread starter Saya
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Goddamn it. Beef is my kryptonite as a vegan. I'd eat this no question if it were bought for me.
I hate myself...
I do believe that was also just a joke.
I hate myself...
I do believe that was also just a joke.
Living without having easy access to Kobe/Miyazaki beef has been a struggle since i tried them.
Most meat has a meh taste for me now.
Maybe i should just move to japan for two months and stuff myself with it till i get tired of the taste or something (its probably not gona work)
Most meat has a meh taste for me now.
Maybe i should just move to japan for two months and stuff myself with it till i get tired of the taste or something (its probably not gona work)
Skip the bread and just give me that pure wagyu goodness.
One of my favorite meals ever was being able to sample A5 wagyu beef from 4 different prefectures. I was in heaven. The cost of the meal brought me back down to Earth though.
One of my favorite meals ever was being able to sample A5 wagyu beef from 4 different prefectures. I was in heaven. The cost of the meal brought me back down to Earth though.
Wait, is Wagyu beef always fried? I would've thought they prepared it the same way you do any other steak. Isn't it just a higher grade of beef?
No but if you are putting shit in a sandwich, doing it katsu style is the easiest way. Drier on the outside and less messy. It's a Japanese thing, their definition of a sandwich is not the American definition of a sandwich (ie: a Philly Cheesesteak).
Fwiw, I think katsu for beef is a huge waste too. Never liked it.
Are you suggesting this needs to be cooked more?
And people wonder why so many americans die of cancer. fucking cook your meat.
Scust
What high end restaurants sell fake Kobe beef? Any respectable steakhouse would be very particular about listing the exact source of their meat. Or do you just have the misfortune of frequenting overpriced places with bad food that people generally wouldn't consider high end?
Not always fried no. Just if you're making a breaded cutlet out of it.
Just a lot of articles I've read. You literally cannot buy real Kobe beef outside Japan, period. It's fake.
So... I have an upcoming trip to Las Vegas and San Francisco. Should I assume that most Wagyu sold there is just overpriced crap?
You should stop eating meat.
And people wonder why so many americans die of cancer. fucking cook your meat.
And people wonder why so many americans die of cancer. fucking cook your meat.
Lol I thought it's the burnt carbon on meat that causes cancer
Most of it will be "Kobe style" or "American Wagyu", I'm not sure to what level the USDA regulate this (it was completely unregulated until not so long ago, but they have been tightening that up a bit recently) but a reputable steak house is unlikely to lie about the source of the beef.
As for how good it is, it depends, I had some great steaks that were labeled that way (and obviously some quite bad ones), some were very similar to how they eat them in Japan, some were quite different.
Actual beef from Japan is prohibitively expensive in the US since Japanese beef is barely allowed to be imported into the country, so I would probably wouldn't focus on eating that on an American trip.
Wagyu is made in Aussie. (One of the places).
The relationship between wagyu and Kobe beef is like champagne and prosecco.
Same stuff, but you can't call it Champagne if it's not from the Champagne region. Wagyu is 'Kobe style' beef. I imagine there is some knock offs and scams going.
Same with Trappist and Abdij beer.
The Wagyu I had on a plate next to a bunch of other great cuts was Australian as well, the owner actually showed us the meat in the packages he buys it.
Eh. You can absolutely get real Kobe beef outside of Japan. It's pretty limited but a number of countries including the US do have restaurants that import it. But that wasn't the question I was asking. If we're talking about actual high end places which are reputable, it's very unlikely for them to mislabel Kobe beef. There's no need to. If it's American wagyu they'll say that on the menu, if it's Japanese beef from some other region of Japan they will also label it as such, often with the actual farm it came from. People paying those prices at a good steakhouse care more about the source than whether it's labeled "Kobe beef".
The bigger problem of the Kobe Beef mislabeling is in casual dining and overpriced non-high end places trying to put premium offerings on the menu for people who don't know any better. Those are scams. But not high end restaurants.
Nah, it's been exported for years now. No black market or anything.
http://www.kobe-niku.jp/en/contents/exported/index.php
When you get a kobe beef sandwich at Wagyumafia they even show you a certificate to show that it is real kobe beef.
According to that website, you should be able to check the authenticity of the beef by requesting an id number from the restaurant and verify it on the website.
I know that Canada only has one restaurant licensed to important Kobe beef (Park in Montreal).
I'm not sure what the point of this discussion is anymore if you just keep talking about stuff you "heard" or "read" or whatever. I thought there was a misunderstanding initially, so I corrected it because as a beef lover I wanted to share. I'm not interested in far out conspiracy theories about faked certificates or whatever. The fact is, because there was confusion over what Kobe beef was, farmers and suppliers in Kobe got together to make things clear years ago and there's more transparency and clarity than ever about whether you're getting actual Kobe beef in a restaurant or meat supplier overseas, and where it comes from, which farm, etc. The same goes for other wagyu breeds in Japan itself. There's a ton of information out there today, and I think it is silly to hide under some cover of "I heard" when it comes to spreading misinformation. There isn't some Kobe beef conspiracy here - there are just places that mislabel it because Kobe beef sounds better, but they're not respected high end places. When you go for good fine dining or a reputable steakhouse in most places in the world, you know where the beef is coming from just by reading the menu.
I don't understand what you are skeptical about. You said that Kobe beef is never exported, and that everything is fake. Your sources are "I read articles online" and "I heard from Japanese sources" which doesn't sound like you even eat this stuff or talk to anyone who does. This has nothing to do with what is legal. I'm just saying, when you go to a reputable place to eat, they tell you exactly where the beef comes from. They're not out to con you because people who are serious about food have no desire to lie about something like that.
Like, if you think there's some conspiracy, can you name some high end restaurants which have sold fake Kobe beef? What are your personal experiences? I'm not angry, I just don't understand why you would insist that this is all a scam when you seem to have no first hand experience and just talk about reading articles on the internet and Japanese sources. What Japanese sources?
Is it that hard to admit that maybe you had the wrong perception and didn't have all the facts, maybe because you read some stuff that exaggerated things and wasn't accurate?
Why? If you think you were wrong, it's a learning experience about what is being imported and exported from Japan. Nothing wrong with learning something new.
Do English speakers say 'sando' now? 'wagyu katsu sando' sounds so stupid. But maybe its Japan's fault for bastardizing those words in the first place. Like, what's a cutlet sandwich!?
Anyone saying "sando" in english is an omega weeb nerd.
In Japan "katsu" is just a breaded fried cutlet. It's not always (or usually) served in a sandwich though hence the specification of it being a sandwich.
Kobe is only one type of cow and it's raised special, but yeah, wagyu for the rest