Anyway, the ending still reminds me of that part in FF 8 where the party finds out they are all from the same orphanage but just forgot because they all use Gfs. It was the dumbest thing.
There was never any consistency lol, it was ramping up continuously with more and more crazy shit. This "consistency" is just "what there was", there was always room for more crazy stuff next to all the crazy stuff we saw.The 'crazy powers' in FFVII always felt consistent with the cosmology of its universe. Like it exists in this weird convergence between magic, science and mysticism. Sephiroth is a mutant who doesn't fit in the ecosystem of the Planet and causes a virus to spread which allows him to challenge the life of the Planet itself. It's all super consistent and works really well if you think of Jenova and its 'children' as viruses and infected hosts.
When you bring in time travel then that's something completely separate. I'm not sure how else to explain to you why people find it hard to accept this new part of VII's plot. It's got nothing to do with Jenova, or powers or aliens or anything else. It's a completely new and unexplained agent to the plot which has never been hinted at before and does't really complement any other part of the story to now.
Again, I am totally fine with it so long as it all gets justified much better in the next game. But it's absolutely a wild turn for this series for a lot of people, I don't think it's hard to see why that is
They are common tropes so they should be there. In Max Payne there's bullet time so time manipulation is already there, is not that big of a jump to put time travel and have Max travel to the past to save his family.
So the Ultimania says the Whispers that fuse together into Bahamut are Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz?
After beating it ... the argument about parts Is pointless. Not the same games
Just no.if you wanna doubt official SE word from Ultimania that released today then be my guest. I'm just saying it how it is. If this takes place after AC it's literally impossible.
And CC fucking upI'm sure thats what will happen. A large part of FF7R's remake was figuring out how the game was going to be made anyway.
I imagine the biggest struggle will be figuring out how to have every character with this system.
Gameplay materias as plot justificacions of time travel?...
No, there was a single timeline, now there's multiple timelines. Multiple timelines never existed or mentioned within the original.
If GoT had time travel everyone would argue is jumping the shark. Not sure how is that debatable.
Just no.
This is what the book says
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“In Chapter 18, there are three Whispers of Fate (Rubrum, Viridi, and Croceo) who use a sword, hand combat, & a gun. These three share the same fighting style as Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo from Advent Children. Whisper Croceo has a move called “Velvet Nightmare” = name of Yazoo's gun.”twitter.com
That's like complaining there was only one timeline until Marty McFly went back in time and now there are multiple. If the condition for creating multiple timelines is someone has to go back in time and alter the past, then it's kinda self-explanatory why there wouldn't be multiple timelines until Sephiroth created them.
I don't see time travel as being particularly odd in Final Fantasy VII. It's been a big part of MANY Final Fantasy games. Plus, the world of FFVII, especially Midgar, is a pseudo-cyberpunk fantasy fusion with mad scientists, robots, and all sorts of crazy stuff. Whether or not they can pull off whatever it is they are planning remains to be seen but I think it's a silly thing to get hung up on.
Uh I posted that in a spoiler tag or did you miss it last page? Not sure what you are trying to prove by giving me the same link.
Literally no one is saying add it in to everything... lol.
It could easily be written in to many things that already share equally crazy tropes and designs, though, (especially sci-fi/fantasy stories) and acting like it couldn't is so fucking weird.
The 'crazy powers' in FFVII always felt consistent with the cosmology of its universe. Like it exists in this weird convergence between magic, science and mysticism. Sephiroth is a mutant who doesn't fit in the ecosystem of the Planet and causes a virus to spread which allows him to challenge the life of the Planet itself. It's all super consistent and works really well if you think of Jenova and its 'children' as viruses and infected hosts.
When you bring in time travel then that's something completely separate. I'm not sure how else to explain to you why people find it hard to accept this new part of VII's plot. It's got nothing to do with Jenova, or powers or aliens or anything else. It's a completely new and unexplained agent to the plot which has never been hinted at before and does't really complement any other part of the story to now.
Ugh god, does this mean we're getting 4 or 5 parts? I'd happily wait an extra year or two for a nice clean trilogy. It also sounds bad from a business point of view. I can easily see diminishing returns with this strategy.
That's like complaining there was only one timeline until Marty McFly went back in time and now there are multiple. If the condition for creating multiple timelines is someone has to go back in time and alter the past, then it's kinda self-explanatory why there wouldn't be multiple timelines until Sephiroth created them.
That in no way that tweet means they are those characters. They even have their own names. It is just a reference. You are reaching by a lot
For could, you can add time travel to fucking everything. We saw Nomura adding Time Travel to a story with Mickey Mouse on it.
But it has to be consistent within the world is created. The excuse of 'well, you never saw the WHOLE universe' doesn't work, because at that point you never saw the WHOLE universe of almost any story. You never saw the WHOLE Universe of Max Payne so it could have time travel because Max Payne world could be part of Control's world so yadda yadda yadda.
The question is not 'Max Payne could totally have time travel because Control is part of that game universe', the question is how consistent is time travel within what's presented in Max Payne, it's theming and it's characters.
Basically this:
You missed their point entirely.But Marty McFly is the main character of a movie called BACK TO THE FUTURE
BACK
TO
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FUTURE
I'm definitely turning off tutorials in the next part, that's for sure :) they were a little heavy handed in FF7R (even including spoilers to some extend in the tutorials)and it's going to be annoying how they have to accommodate for new comers in literally every part, it would make no sense
and it's going to be annoying how they have to accommodate for new comers in literally every part, the difficulty scaling through out the series would be a messy line of waves
Ugh god, does this mean we're getting 4 or 5 parts? I'd happily wait an extra year or two for a nice clean trilogy. It also sounds bad from a business point of view. I can easily see diminishing returns with this strategy.
Yeah, I disagree beacuse I read that and can grasp context, but if you are happy thinking that way good for you.I thought it was new things at first too. No need to be so rude but now I agree it is confirmed. That's all I'm saying here and if you disagree you are more than welcome to.
Time travel is just another power mate. It can be tech powered or magic. And with all the other crazy OTT tech and magic in FF7, it fits perfectly
And most people like the ending, btw, so it obviously landed more than it didn't.
You missed their point entirely.
I'm really not.
Stretching does feel good, for sure!And liking the ending doesn't have to do anything with how well executed it is. A lot of people who liked it mentioned how further it went to KH level territory.
Yeah, I disagree beacuse I read that and can grasp context, but if you are happy thinking that way good for you.
Just wanted to clarify because I already saw some people getting confused by your made up theory
This is really going to take 10 more years to complete FF7 isn't it.
It's the Kingdom Hearts way of game development. All that is missing is for each entry to have a batshit tagline, lol.All I know is the more Parts they make, the more room there is to make the story more and more convoluted with each entry.
This is really going to take 10 more years to complete FF7 isn't it.
I'm really not.
It fits perfectly, you're just arbitrarily pulling "time travel" aside from all the other crazy OTT sci-fi powers and tropes
Can you also add the tweet of Kitase saying in the Ultimania that the parts aren't going to deviate too far from the original events, so we can get people to stop exasperatedly sharing Fanfiction? It's been tiring in the threads, and I was hoping it could be on the front of something so some people can cool their jets.
See you're just saying VII was 'crazy' a lot and I don't even know what you're referring to. VII's plot isn't 'crazy' unless you consider anything about magic and fantasy in a story to be 'crazy'.There was never any consistency lol, it was ramping up continuously with more and more crazy shit. This "consistency" is just "what there was", there was always room for more crazy stuff next to all the crazy stuff we saw.
Time travel, multiple timelines, singularities and fighting the embodiment of destiny dosn't really fit between all the mysticism and magic from the original.
That's not what "the direction" means, no. More dishonest stretching, lol.At least you agree is a 'new direction' and a change from the original? lol
More than that now that there are also alternative realities in it so they gotta explore what Zack is up to as well
Yes it does, you arbitrarily deciding otherwise is just dishonest.
That's not what "the direction" means, no. More dishonest stretching, lol.
Na mate, time travel fits the completely OTT anime AF sci-fi/fantasy nonsense of FF7 perfectly fine.See you're just saying VII was 'crazy' a lot and I don't even know what you're referring to. VII's plot isn't 'crazy' unless you consider anything about magic and fantasy in a story to be 'crazy'.
I don't think talking about how 'crazy' VII is and how much 'crazier' VIIr is really gives a good basis for discussion. Like you can just dismiss anything at that point because you can always go 'more crazy'. Even the Compilation titles largely adhere to the same basic plot framework as VII does, building off the building blocks set by that game.
To just take the extent of what 'crazy' has been in the VII universe, we have Cloud and Sephiroth flying around slicing buildings in half in Advent Children. Lots of people don't like that part of the Compilation and don't really accept that these characters can do this stuff. But if you really want you can still strain a justification by saying 'they are just using their limit breaks' or whatever. It's still far easier to justify than playing with the fabric of reality itself. When I look at Arbiters of Destiny I can't map it to anything in the original game or the other spinoffs. It is completely new and uncharted territory to this universe, that's the thing.
Again I say this all as someone who's COMPLETELY OK with VIIr going off the rails and using Midgar as a springboard for a new story while at the same time accepting that the execution here just isn't good right now. They have to work really hard to cleanly explain this stuff in the next game and make it feel like it's the same world (in a different universe). They did such good world building in the Remake up until that point so I generally have faith that they can do it.
But right now, judging the thing they put out, it is 'crazy' in a not so good way and doesn't really align with previous stuff no matter how hard I try. All of this also hurts speculation about future entries cause of its seeming lack of connection to any of the established rules of this universe.
Over time they can do the narrative work and make this stuff seem like it fits. But it isn't here in this Remake.
I think there should be a space in these threads where can can speculate about all this stuff, say it isn't that good right now while also not be seen as purists necessarily. While I don't think the split in the fanbase is as toxic as Last Jedi I think this sort of thing could happen
"The direction" doesn't mean "crazy new direction that could never have fit". "The direction" is a common term used to describe ALL aspects of stories going new places... and sequels often go new places, with characters, stories, powers, etc... this is not some unusual thing, and you twisted that comment like you tried to stretch everything else.
But Marty McFly is the main character of a movie called BACK TO THE FUTURE
BACK
TO
THE
FUTURE
So next stop will be Nibelheim? Although that would be making 1 and a half continents. How will continuity be done gameplay wise?
So? Time travel shows up in a lot of media that doesn't explicitly say WE HAVE TIME TRAVEL in the name. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I ain't gonna sit there and complain that it doesn't fit in Final Fantasy VII until they've at least had a chance to fuck it up first.