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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 9 | New Decade, Same Old Debates

Which event do you think we would see 6th character reveal at?

  • General Direct (in Feb)

    Votes: 93 25.8%

  • General Direct (in March)

    Votes: 45 12.5%

  • E3

    Votes: 173 47.9%

  • Random Smash Presentation before E3

    Votes: 50 13.9%
  • Total voters
    361
  • Poll closed .
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Hailinel

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A.By said:
What, as an alt?
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I'd assume as a replacement for Twilight Princess Zelda, like BotW Link replaced Twilight Princess Link.

Lumi said:
It's not like they weren't justified. They were led to believe they were getting a straightforward crossover. Instead, they got a mostly unrelated otaku game.
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It's still a crossover. It's just a thematic one and not the typical setup of Cast A fighting Cast B until they team up to take on the true villain.
 
jph139

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I don't think we have enough context about BOTW2, Zelda's role in it, whatever to really speculate about her (or another Zelda character) for DLC.

I do wonder how people would react, though. Is three Zeldas too many? Is Sheik different enough to "not count?"
 
BGBW

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If we were to assume spirits still hinder the chances of a character getting in there's still one viable Zelda rep - classic pig Ganon.

We have OoT Ganon transformation, Beast Ganon and Calamity Ganon as spirits, but no classic pig form.
 
Hailinel

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jph139 said:
I don't think we have enough context about BOTW2, Zelda's role in it, whatever to really speculate about her (or another Zelda character) for DLC.

I do wonder how people would react, though. Is three Zeldas too many? Is Sheik different enough to "not count?"
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Sheik plays entirely different from Zelda, unlike Link, Lank, and Lonk.
 
Lord Vatek

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Honestly Yggdrasil's Altar is probably my favorite DLC stage. Mementos and Spiral Mountain hurt my eyes and KoF is just whatever.

The fact that we never got an Opera House stage for Fates is a travesty.
 
Imran

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I don't think BOTW2 passes by without some kind of Smash representation, if only from a publisher standpoint.
 
Weiss

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I don't like any of the DLC stages but then there's maybe five stages post-Melee I do like.

Thank god for Battlefield toggle.
 
DecoReturns

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The SMT X Fire emblem reveal lead me to believe it would be a much different game.

It ended on a bleak image of a catastrophe.

And then TMS happened lol. Made me lose interest immediately but I still bought it since there wasn't much else to play at the time. It's pretty good but misleading. That's what happens when you reveal things before you know that they were suppose to Be.
 
Odeko

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Hailinel said:
It's still a crossover. It's just a thematic one
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Horohorohoro

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Mementos is my favorite DLC stage but I play with hazards off, so I don't have to deal with the train.

Yggdrasil's Altar is cool.

Spiral Mountain isn't really fun. I don't like playing on the KOF Arena, and I'm sure I'm going to turn off Garreg Mach and take it off random as soon as I download it.

Castle Siege is the only fun FE stage.
 
Neoxon

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Imran said:
I don't think BOTW2 passes by without some kind of Smash representation, if only from a publisher standpoint.
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Hopefully Zelda ends up being playable in BotW2, leading to her being playable on her own in Smash. Sure, it'd be the third Zelda. But at this point, I'll take what I can get.
 
MoonGirard

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A.By said:
See, that's true, but Anna has the benefit of being FEH representation but also not as alienating as an FEH-only character would be.
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As long as she is based of Heroes Anna with other Anna's as costumes sure but just the fact the other 3 out of 5 playable Anna's all use swords would make me worry Sakurai would make her an amalgamation and she'd used a sword since it's her most common weapon.
 
PK Gaming

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If the stars align and BOTW2 stars Zelda, Sakurai and co will practically trip over themselves to add Zelda
 
Sawyer

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BGBW said:
If we were to assume spirits still hinder the chances of a character getting in there's still one viable Zelda rep - classic pig Ganon.

We have OoT Ganon transformation, Beast Ganon and Calamity Ganon as spirits, but no classic pig form.
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Or the much better pick that is Twili Midna
 
wildvine47

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BGBW said:
If we were to assume spirits still hinder the chances of a character getting in there's still one viable Zelda rep - classic pig Ganon.

We have OoT Ganon transformation, Beast Ganon and Calamity Ganon as spirits, but no classic pig form.
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Skyward Sword Impa is safe too, only the Ocarina of Time Impa got a spirit.
 
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DecoReturns said:
The SMT X Fire emblem reveal lead me to believe it would be a much different game.

It ended on a bleak image of a catastrophe.

And then TMS happened lol. Made me lose interest immediately but I still bought it since there wasn't much else to play at the time. It's pretty good but misleading. That's what happens when you reveal things before you know that they were suppose to Be.
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TMS is still pretty bleak
just in a more "unironically lionizing the idol industry" sort of way
 

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I really didn't like how uninspired a lot of the stages were in Ultimate. New Donk City Hall is a somewhat bland way to depict the location; Dracula's Castle was great but it was like, the obvious way to represent a CV stage; Spiral Mountain is a pretty obvious stage, and not as cool as Click Clock Woods would have been; Great Plateau Tower is super boring and too safe; etc.

The stages just seem really afraid of doing something unexpected. The only stage that surprised me was Mementos, and that's because of how it was done. Mementos is kind of the "obvious" choice, a recurring area of Persona 5. Imagine if we got New Donk City Festival, or if we got a Divine Beast, or if we got Clock Tower instead of Dracula's Castle. I bet if Sakurai went into Melee with the mindset he has today, we would have gotten Clock Town or Termina Field over Great Bay.
 
TheDinoman

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It's just funny to me how some of the most commonly suggested new Zelda reps are Pig Ganon and now BOTW Zelda.

If we get any new Zelda reps, they're all just gonna be variations of Link, Zelda and Ganondorf lmao
 
Weiss

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I'm tentatively excited to eventually pick up TMS on Switch but I think it's valid that people got excited for the idea of Fire Emblem x Shin Megami Tensei, only to be disappointed in what it eventually became.
 
PK Gaming

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I don't know why everyone here is down on TMS

It ended up being better than P5

And even its take on the idol industry is vapid it was still mostly inoffensive game
 
Odeko

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A.By said:
I really didn't like how uninspired a lot of the stages were in Ultimate. New Donk City Hall is a somewhat bland way to depict the location; Dracula's Castle was great but it was like, the obvious way to represent a CV stage; Spiral Mountain is a pretty obvious stage, and not as cool as Click Clock Woods would have been; Great Plateau Tower is super boring and too safe; etc.

The stages just seem really afraid of doing something unexpected. The only stage that surprised me was Mementos, and that's because of how it was done. Mementos is kind of the "obvious" choice, a recurring area of Persona 5. Imagine if we got New Donk City Festival, or if we got a Divine Beast, or if we got Clock Tower instead of Dracula's Castle. I bet if Sakurai went into Melee with the mindset he has today, we would have gotten Clock Town or Termina Field over Great Bay.
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I'm still mad the P5 stage wasn't like downtown Shibuya or something.

I want my Smash characters to be fighting in the real world while normal human onlookers watch in horror. It was our one chance.
 
louisacommie

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What I want from botw 2 is a party system


Which should push a lot of characters if that happened



Zelda i am guessing will have unique slate powers complete guessing speculation

Otherwise I think she will use swords and spears and the like same as link



I hope botw 2 has underwater swimming and a playable zora as fun as majoras mask
 
V_ac

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TheDinoman said:
It's just funny to me how some of the most commonly suggested new Zelda reps are Pig Ganon and now BOTW Zelda.

If we get any new Zelda reps, they're all just gonna be variations of Link, Zelda and Ganondorf lmao
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Well Link, Zelda, and Ganon are the most popular characters of the series. Variations of them are gonna be the most requested characters for the series.

Especially since I doubt much people outside of forums like these care about the playable Zelda cast all being variations of them.

Odeko said:
I'm still mad the P5 stage wasn't like downtown Shibuya or something.

I want my Smash characters to be fighting in the real world while normal human onlookers watch in horror. It was our one chance.
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That's what Kiryu is for.
 
BGBW

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TheDinoman said:
It's just funny to me how some of the most commonly suggested new Zelda reps are Pig Ganon and now BOTW Zelda.

If we get any new Zelda reps, they're all just gonna be variations of Link, Zelda and Ganondorf lmao
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I was just basing this on a made up rule of spirits are still an obstacle and found it was amusing that Classic Pig Ganon somehow didn't have one despite how many spirits the Zelda series has.

If I go wild I'd much rather have someone totally unique like Tingle. Saying that, I do feel Ganon is different enough from Ganondorf to not be seen as just another version of him like the three Links are.
 
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If BOTW Zelda does end up playable, even in a deuteragonist sort of way, it'd be a great way to jam all of the random weapons and slate powers and stuff into the game. Maybe we can finally get a full-time spear wielder or something.
 
Imran

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Odeko said:
I'm still mad the P5 stage wasn't like downtown Shibuya or something.

I want my Smash characters to be fighting in the real world while normal human onlookers watch in horror. It was our one chance.
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If they were going to do that, New Donk City (which is I think the Ultimate stage with the most wasted potential) would have been the one.
 

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BGBW said:
I was just basing this on a made up rule of spirits are still an obsticle and found it was amusing that Classic Pig Ganon somehow didn't have one despite how many spirits the Zelda series has.

If I go wild I'd much rather have someone totally unique like Tingle. Saying that, I do feel Ganon is different enough from Ganondorf to not be seen as just another version of him like the three Links are.
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Honestly, my shortlist of wanted characters for Zelda are

Midna
Tingle
Toon Zelda
Impa
Urbosa

(ok not that short)

I'm down with an explicit second Zelda, though I'd rather have something unique like Toon Zelda from Spirit Tracks. Tingle was my original most-wanted, mainly because I loved how goofy and ridiculous the character was, and now I'm stanning hard for Midna as a unique bodyshape and design, Impa for WOC representation and naginata user, and Urbosa for WOC representation and also a nice representation for a Zelda race that isn't problematic like Ganondorf lol.

I'll take just about anything from Zelda though, it'd been a long time coming.
 
Imran

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New Donk City should have been the festival at the end or the town taken over at the beginning or explore around the actual city and not just the tower. It feels like they lean on "It's just a traveling stage around a tower" when they don't really have any idea for what to do with it, but NDC should not have lacked for ideas.
 
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