Valve is a huge company and they've looked at the numbers so the far right must be huge. They don't want to piss off their fan base and not allow Slave Trade 2: Go Back to Mexico exclusively on Steam
Don't forget to report hate groups you find on steam. If you find something you believe it is wrong, always report.So doing a quick google search, here are the alt-right groups I found on Steam:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/altrightgamers (13 members)
https://store.steampowered.com/curator/26986443-The-Alt-Right-Crew/ (1 follower)
https://store.steampowered.com/curator/28233621-SJW-Awareness/ (671 followers, not sure if this is alt-right as such, but rather a group dedicated to "anti-sjw games" apparently)
Seems the "alt-rights" presence on Steam is very, very limited.
There are definitely general racist comments on the Steam forums, but these are usually taken down very quickly by moderators, especially if they're reported. The users are banned from the forum too.
You know what Valve should do?
Have a Pride Month or African American month where games about minorities & dev's from minority communities get the spotlight
STEAM should actively encourage more inclusive content; promote those kind of games more
THAT will do a lot more to curb hate-speech than essentially remain an anarchy
Nah your interpretation is off base. He's saying that Valve's previous stance to block or remove certain games did not infringe upon someone's free speech as was argued before. That Valve shouldnt feel any guilt for their actions as they own the platform.What I find pretty arrogant is this article, and its content pretty ridiculous. Especially this is a high point of ludicrous:
"Yes, game creators have a right to free speech, to make games on any topic they like, as transgressive and offensive as the law allows. But they do not have a right to publish these games on Steam. For Valve to confuse these two things is a deluded fallacy"
It's Valve that decides who has the right to publish their games on Steam. And they did.
Do they do anything at all for Pride? I haven't logged into Steam for about a year. You'd think, with the way every other company is falling over themselves to show the world how Pride-friendly they are...You know what Valve should do?
Have a Pride Month or African American month where games about minorities & dev's from minority communities get the spotlight
STEAM should actively encourage more inclusive content; promote those kind of games more
THAT will do a lot more to curb hate-speech than essentially remain an anarchy
Hence why Active Shooter has been removed, right ? To not hurt the far right. :'')
I believe there's no law attached or needed. The Belgium Gambling Comission decided it's gambling, so it's subject to the pre-existing gambling laws.
What people fail to see is that deciding whether loot boxes are gambling or not is not a decision that defaults to "they're not". Each country is now making that decision, and until they've done so, they're in a quite literal gray area.
Nah your interpretation is off base. He's saying that Valve's previous stance to block or remove certain games did not infringe upon someone's free speech as was argued before. That Valve shouldnt feel any guilt for their actions as they own the platform.
The laws of free speech do not apply in any way in this space so its bullshit for Valve to even mention that bullshit defense.
A company as big as Valve has a social responsibility to deplatform the alt-right. Buy not doing so (not just talking about games, but Steam communities and shit too) they tacitly support them.
I can report a racist (even veiled racist) Community page on the PS4 and Sony will remove it within a few hours.
The games still got publicized. Instead of just not allowing them on the platform to begin with. I'm sure you can google the game and find some other way to play it.
Also it's great that you use a school shooting game as your example. Because you know, video games aren't blamed enough for school shootings. There definitely needs to be video games focused on it.
Do they do anything at all for Pride? I haven't logged into Steam for about a year. You'd think, with the way every other company is falling over themselves to show the world how Pride-friendly they are...
Also it's great that you use a school shooting game as your example. Because you know, video games aren't blamed enough for school shootings. There definitely needs to be video games focused on it.
They have the right to make that choice one way or another. Free speech didnt matter before or after this decision. It will never apply.I really cba to argue this with you because from past experience you are actually mental in never refusing to concede a point, but grouping something into an existing law is different to creating a new law, and unless Belgiums jurisprudence works very differently to most other jurisdictions, its not "law" until it has been tested as case law, and probably gone through at least a round of appeals given the money involved.
So like I say; lets see how that goes.
Free speech is a US constitutional right, but it is also a principle that that constitutional right was put in place to protect.
Valve have overtly stated that they do not want to serve as gatekeepers of content.
They have the right to make that choice one way or another. Free speech didnt matter before or after this decision. It will never apply.
I really can't say. People like to throw around "this is alt-right", "that is alt-right", etc. I haven't played them. But I agree with ignoring content you don't care for.Are these specifically "alt-right" games though? Stupid, edgy games like this existed on sites like Newgrounds decades before they were on Steam. Giving them attention is what the creators want. Steam is right to call them "trolls" because that's exactly what they are - they're shitty games, made to provoke a reaction. Like any trolls, the best thing to do is just ignore them.
This would be a pretty good idea, I mean YouTube is doing it right now.
Which begs the question, is Valve openly supportive of any of that stuff. as a company. I can't find any news of them supporting stuff like that, which kind of goes with the whole they don't take a stance of anything sort of thing.
I just thought it was really funny that Valves big response to all the crap that's flooded their storefront was "ya know what...I'm gonna give even LESS of a damn now! *counts billions and goes back to not making half life*"
This is some serious mental gymnastics, Alexandros.
It takes courage to say, "these are our values as an organisation and so this is what we will allow and not allow on our platform.
The idea that this will lead to a slippery slope of extremely offensive and hateful games is laughable. There's no market for that sort of thing. This is about people wanting to restrict games they don't like, from people they don't like, and I'm glad Valve isn't letting that happen.
The principle still remains that valve can gatekeep however it wants unless you want to also argue that free speech only applies to consumers.Artistic expression is widely considered part of free speech.
again; the principle, not the article of the US constitution.
Yeah I dont think anything has changed since Gabe Newell personally emailed the fucking Hatred dev to apologize.I think the cowardly thing would be caving to outside pressure rather than sticking to their principles. Steam does not have any responsibility to curate based on other peoples sensitivities. It is the South Park philosophy, just offend everyone equally.
I think Valve made their position pretty clear when GabeN e-mailed the Hatred devs to apologize and wish them well with their game.
Nothing has changed since then.
That's for sure. Your posts in this thread make not a lick of sense, dude.
Well, Half-Life is a terrible serie. So I hope they don't waste time making another one indeed. Now about Left 4 Dead... :'')
Tencent has the biggest PC marketshare and its not closeWhile I can't find exact numbers their market share seems to be anywhere from 50-75%. Most people would consider that a monopoly.
Yeah I dont think anything has changed since Gabe Newell personally emailed the fucking Hatred dev to apologize.
"Just offend everyone equally" is a fallacy and a pretty shitty stance though.
STEAM is basically a hotbed for the alt-right. Valve has spoke loud and clear that they support this shit. I'm at the point where I'm just done with this fucking industry. The alt-right won, they've infected every community, every game with their non-sense. I can't escape from it as I see the hate everywhere I go. I'm going insane.
Glad they chose for liberty instead of censorship.
If a game is sh*tty it won't sell anyway.
Tencent has the biggest PC marketshare and its not close
League of Legends alone is bigger than steam
That's not the case at all, look at how well those asset flip games tend to do. They're not reaching millions but they're making plenty back. Agony is sitting somewhere between 50k and 100k users.
Calling this "liberty" is really cute.
Oh se were back to business as usual. What Valve removes and what it doesnt have always been super vague and inconsistent.I mean Valve removed the "offending games" by Aids Simulator dev/pub today.
The biggest problem right now is that Valve, as always, didnt really specify what they mean by "offensive" games and now journalists and us gamers dont know what they mean by that. Offensive is not the same as hateful. Like I said. A game about a german soldier in WW2 that humanizes him might be offensive to some people, but wouldnt be hateful.
A game called "Kill all jews" is offensive AND hateful and would be removed under Steams current TOS and might be seen as a "trolling" game.
This would be a pretty good idea, I mean YouTube is doing it right now.
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Oh se were back to business as usual. What Valve removes and what it doesnt have always been super vague and inconsistent.
What sort of absurd claim is this? Do you have any evidence at all to support this?
It's ok though because Steam has great deals and we make memes and gifs of Gaben and his knives.
Valve can do no wrong.
Valve do not have a monopoly because none of the biggest players are on SteamWhat does that have to do with anything? You cant go sell your game on Leauge of Legends' store.
Yeah, because that's what everyone is arguing here.It's ok though because Steam has great deals and we make memes and gifs of Gaben and his knives.
Valve can do no wrong.
Offensive doesn't necessarily mean alt-right, though.I see numerous communities devoted to alt-right ideology. They get taken down but, pop upa gain and the users never get banned. I've seen numerous games that are flat out offensive not be taken down.