My favourite "enthusiast bubble" trope has to be when the 1080Ti gang goes on about how "insane" and "unbelievably impressive" it is that their $700 2017 GPU (which was literally the strongest consumer-level card available at the time) is still able to play games reasonably well. I agree that the 1080Ti was able to justify its price, but the discourse around it sounds so funny to me when most people are chugging along on xx50 and xx60 hardware.
Like if the general expectation is for a $700 halo product's performance to collapse after a few years then the mainstream audience must be living in hell. Not hating on the high-end market by any means, I just don't think its quite as impressive as people make it out to be.
Steam hardware survey is useless to see numbers. It's an opt in survey that no one opts in to do anymore :) Everyone opts out of sending info to companies these days. Haven't done one in years and years at this point.
It has always been a myth that every PC gamer drops thousands every one or two years so they can have the latest and greatest.
When i was researching for my new computer months ago, you swear everyone was rocking threadrippers with dual 2080tis. Sometimes you need to get out of the enthusiast realm to see the real lay of the land
Steam hardware survey is useless to see numbers. It's an opt in survey that no one opts in to do anymore :) Everyone opts out of sending info to companies these days. Haven't done one in years and years at this point.
Yeah I was surprised to see people reacting positively to the new GPU prices lol.
It really is. I got my RX570 for 105 euros year ago. (well it was 130 euros, but I sold the games that came with the card and got 25 euros back).The RX570 is absolutely insane from a price-performance standpoint.
I would definitely think having certain hardware and PC experience effects the outcome of opting in/out. Someone building a custom high end PC is probably opting in far less than a new PC/Steam user since they would probably be much more versed in PC security and worry more about sending info to a big company. For example I have a friend who's getting his kid into PC gaming. Neither of which have gamed on PC before. My friend is far more likely to opt into the survey with his weak laptop than I or any of my experienced PC gaming friends ever would be with our custom made systems.Unless having certain hardware is disproportionately associated with a higher or lower likelihood of opting in/out, I would think it still is a useful representation of the range of hardware and their distribution among Steam users. They probably still gets thousands of opt-ins.
This is why they said.
"to my pascal friends, its safe to upgrade".
I think at 1080p we are at the point where most games look good enough for the majority of people. Consoles targeting 4K will just make 1080p level PCs look more affordable, and I noticed that Sony seems to be more interested in promoting better audio and fast loading times than visuals.
A big problem with the survey is that it doesn't detect all the monitors/tvs you have hooked up. No doubt a lot of those 1080p monitors are backed up by 4k tvs that aren't getting detected.
I think at 1080p we are at the point where most games look good enough for the majority of people. Consoles targeting 4K will just make 1080p level PCs look more affordable, and I noticed that Sony seems to be more interested in promoting better audio and fast loading times than visuals.
True that :Dthe 1060 Pascal friends will probably want a much cheaper card than the 3070 :)
Considering the 1080Ti and 1080 owners combined make up more than 3% of the market, and they finally have a valid upgrade, I can see the RTX 3080 do very well.
I wouldn't say sit firmly. They're at the very bottom of the top 10 list. And then there's a huge gap before the big baller cards make an appearance. Not really surprising, though. The 60/70 cards have always been the high end sweet spot for most PC gamers. You wouldn't get that impression over here, but even among the hardcore, it's where most of us top out and refuse to go higher.
No you opt in to this survey.Do these polls take into account every PC Steam is installed on? Because, for example, I have 4 PC's with Steam installed on them with 3 of them having low end cards (1060, 1650 Super, 1080) that I only use to stream games from my main PC. So that could inflate the numbers for low end cards.
lmao, this post is the entire circusI would definitely think having certain hardware and PC experience effects the outcome of opting in/out. Someone building a custom high end PC is probably opting in far less than a new PC/Steam user since they would probably be much more versed in PC security and worry more about sending info to a big company. For example I have a friend who's getting his kid into PC gaming. Neither of which have gamed on PC before. My friend is far more likely to opt into the survey with his weak laptop than I or any of my experienced PC gaming friends ever would be with our custom made systems.
oh yes absolutely, I'm sure that the majority are running multiple 4k tvs and monitors alongside their double 2080ti setupsA big problem with the survey is that it doesn't detect all the monitors/tvs you have hooked up. No doubt a lot of those 1080p monitors are backed up by 4k tvs that aren't getting detected.
OK, it's probably pretty representative then.No you opt in to this survey.
Its a sample rate form thousands of users but steam has 130 mil+ users so its a sample rate.
You don't know much about PC gaming these days if you don't think a lot of people hookup there PCs to 4k tvs over 4k monitors while keeping a lower resolution monitor as the desktop screen.lmao, this post is the entire circus
oh yes absolutely, I'm sure that the majority are running multiple 4k tvs and monitors alongside their double 2080ti setups
fuckin lmao
this forum sometimes dude
2060 launched at $350 and Nvidia dropped the price to $300 this year.Not surprising, my 1060 cost $279, 2060 MSRP $400, Nvidia prices for 20xx series was BS, if they reveal it was the lowest selling generation i wouldn't be shock...
That is what I do.You don't know much about PC gaming these days if you don't think a lot of people hookup there PCs to 4k tvs over 4k monitors while keeping a lower resolution monitor as the desktop screen.
PC elitism is just the weirdest thing ever. PCs is about scalable hardware, options and budgets.
The survey makes sense, for most people 1080p is more than enough, and that does not require people to buy a 2080. Also GPUs are way too expensive, Nvidia was crazy with their 2080 cards.
oh yeah tell me all about those reddit posts you saw on PCMasterRace of people doing that, I'm sure they really represent the marketYou don't know much about PC gaming these days if you don't think a lot of people hookup there PCs to 4k tvs over 4k monitors while keeping a lower resolution monitor as the desktop screen.
Yeah you obviously know nothing about PC gaming. Pretty easy to see that now.oh yeah tell me all about those reddit posts you saw on PCMasterRace of people doing that, I'm sure they really represent the market
I'm sure everyone here in Brazil (which the majority play on PC) are running their 4k tv setups with their 7 thousand reais cards