yeah, i've shipped 8 AAA games (most of them open-world) and they often don't come together until the last few months of development. It's just the nature of game development that some systems don't click into place until super late.
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Starfield is in development hell states confirmed anonymous source
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yeah, i've shipped 8 AAA games (most of them open-world) and they often don't come together until the last few months of development. It's just the nature of game development that some systems don't click into place until super late.
That is what Todd said, that it is a bigger engine overhaul than Morrowind to Oblivion. While Morrowind is my favorite game, there is SO much it didn't have, and on the engine tool side, it didn't even have a physics engine. Just being able to sit down in Oblivion was revolutionary to me at that time, I felt more like I was living my life in another world with something as "simple" as that.
Obscript was... interesting. I used it a few times but not too much as I primarily did level design. I just hope they give us more Papyrus functionality in this game, and hopefully nothing is delayed or canceled because of it. The dynamic civil war was scrapped because Papyrus didn't support the proper arrays at that time and was added a year after they needed it. Who knows if we'll even get Papryus this time though? I know some in the modding community want Python.
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It's refershing to have people who know about this stuff in a sea of nonsense lol
I got a super hot scoop from an anonymous source: A recently-delayed game is the result of undisclosed internal development struggles. I deem this to be hell development.
Lol bro it could very well be in dev hell that being said what the fuck is up with this OP lmao
I just naturally figure unverified Twitter accounts are always just a game director who wants to stay anonymous. I mean can you prove it's not?!
They have literally never released a game that isn't jank. Only western RPG I can think that isn't a jankfest is probably CP 2077 but they sacrificed a lot of RPG elements to get to that bar of quality (on PC).
CB 2077 (even on PC) was more of a jankfest than Skyrim and Fallout 4 on release. Least it was for me.
Yeah, development hell is a term I associate with complete disaster and not "the flying isn't great"
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That's the first time I read someone saying CP20177 wasn't janky lol
This doesn't make sense to me. When was it established that UE couldn't be used to make an open world game? Spamming physics objects or having systemic AI isn't something that's unique to the Creation Engine.
I also don't believe that CDPR was "hired". If UE5 was completely unsuited to build open world games, they wouldn't have switched to it. CDPR is its own company with games it needs to work on and put out. The switch to UE5 was likely more so do to being able to have a larger pool of talent to pull from, while also having industry leading technical support. The REDEngine likely had a lot of legacy issues to overcome too, which also made switching to UE a little more attactive.
If anything, the benefit Epic gains from a strategic partnership is that they can have a large AAA studio, who's known for building some of the most accalaimed and complex RPGs, proving out their existing tools and provide good feedback for improvements that would be benifical to the largest studios. Their new world partition system is largerly their to help studios with lots of developers and artist be able to efficiently work on large maps without stepping on each other toes.
A large studio having their own proprietary engine allows them to tailer its tools completely to their needs, with a work flow that best works for them, zero royalities to pay, and a plan of evolution that's completely dedicated by the studio. A concerns of a switch to a middleware engine, like Unreal, for most studios has less to do about a lack of capability and more to do about the amount of control said company would be giving up.
I completely agree that not every studio needs to switch to Unreal, but it's largely not for the reason of, "UE can't support a certain feature".
Yeah, it's been interesting seeing two game series go back to custom engines after using UE4.
Capcom going in house with REengine for SF6.
And Assetto Corsa 2, after using UE4 for Competizione.
"We will not use Unreal because we need greater flexibility"
Why Assetto Corsa 2 will use a brand new game engine
The sim racing sequel to the beloved Assetto Corsa will jettison the Unreal Engine technology used for Competizione for proprietary technology, helping with the creation of new features.
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I'm pretty convinced people don't know what an actual beta release feels like to test.
They are always janky or have bugs/issues all over the place hence the term beta.
Not the marketing betas that are normally done so close to release where they barely have time to even change anything.
They are always janky or have bugs/issues all over the place hence the term beta.
Not the marketing betas that are normally done so close to release where they barely have time to even change anything.
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Can't wait.I can't wait to fly on top of this bad boy.
Oooooh yeeeah! DIG IT!
We probably don't even know how janky/broken the game is. Considering Bethesda, a company already notorious for launching buggy games, delayed it to 2023 several months ahead of launch, we can easily imagine what was leaked is only scratching the surface. The game currently needs more time in the oven, so it's going to release later. It happens, especially for very ambitious games being developed during a pandemic. Of course it's in "development hell". None of this should be controversial.
I came just to say... wait did the title just get changed?
I could have sworn it was "in development hell" when I looked at it earlier. But now it says "in hell development". Troll or mistaken memory? My day is now in shambles.
The news is whatever though. Def not development hell.
I could have sworn it was "in development hell" when I looked at it earlier. But now it says "in hell development". Troll or mistaken memory? My day is now in shambles.
The news is whatever though. Def not development hell.
Leaks threads have been locked on less, I'm a little surprised this has been allowed to go on for 6 pages.
That's not that surprising to me personally. REengine was still extremely early in development during SF5's development. Why wouldn't Capcom's internal team not switch to its internal AAA engine that's already been proven?
And Assetto Corsa 2, after using UE4 for Competizione.
Why Assetto Corsa 2 will use a brand new game engine
The sim racing sequel to the beloved Assetto Corsa will jettison the Unreal Engine technology used for Competizione for proprietary technology, helping with the creation of new features.
This makes complete sense as well.
I have no idea how it's survived this long lol. Y'all want some rumors from my neighbor down the street? He's got a funny feeling about Metroid Prime 4 and he'll put those feelings into a vague jpeg.
Nothing posted in the OP implies development hell and the only negative thing posted about the game is about the flying? The toolset being old doesn't really mean much either, as a completely new engine would make the modding scene take that much longer to get started.
Guess we'll know how it's turning out within a month anyway.
Guess we'll know how it's turning out within a month anyway.
Who said couldn't be used? Not suited =/= Not used. Days Gone is an open world game running with UE4 and it showed how bad the launch was with streaming issuess left and right and it tooks everal patches to make it work.
Because it is; Epic Games is collaboration with CDPR to make UE5 viable for open world games:
The Witcher 4: CD Projekt Explains Why It Switched to Unreal Engine 5 - IGN
CD Projekt Red has offered some insight as to why it has decided to use Unreal Engine 5 for its upcoming new Witcher saga game, rather than its in-house REDengine 4.
? They are following the same pattern as previous games, I think. This was Fallout 4's trajectory.
I love how if you just show up here and post a bunch of tales from your ass you'll get banned. But, if you just quote some tweets from someone else's ass (or your own Twitter, who would know) it's fair game no matter how baseless.
Step 1: wait for delay.
Step 2: lead with some other previous info from a different source.
Step 3: Say whatever else you want to get attention.
Step 4: Wait for release. If you guessed right you're now an insider. If you guessed wrong they fixed it pre-release.
Step 5: Internet points.
Step 1: wait for delay.
Step 2: lead with some other previous info from a different source.
Step 3: Say whatever else you want to get attention.
Step 4: Wait for release. If you guessed right you're now an insider. If you guessed wrong they fixed it pre-release.
Step 5: Internet points.
1) The flying was bad in playtests. "Creation Engine 2" is just a marketing slogan. It's just Creation Engine. They refactored the graphics modules of the engine and added a couple new
features, but it's not a complete rebuild or overhaul, That will be obvious as soon as the game launches. Modders will tear them to shreds. Todd internally said, "We make games, not
tools." The toolset is rusty, the content devs are sick of it. Building games on crap tools makes crap games.
this is a collection of known info mixed with the last "leak" of the former dev saying the flying was bad. From the beginning they said that this was the biggest Creation Engine, but the biggest number of changes to the engine since going from Morrowind to Oblivion. This is trying to make an issue out of a statement that they clearly they didn't say
2) Since Bethesda Game Studios Austin released Fallout 76 they have not been working on a new game. They had most teams on 76 support and DL content.
and where did anyone say that BGS Austin was somehow a lead on this game or a new game? I think most indications have been that they are being used as support studio work
3) Until the acquisition BGS was releasing on all major platforms. XBox/MS wanted exclusives to compete .So all the games were slated for XB and PS. But cutting a platform removed a
few headaches. (this was with regards to whether a Playstation version was in development).
again this isnt news, this has been known...
4) The source did not wish to make comments regarding The Elder Scrolls VI or Redfall
uh huh crazy how its the main game that people are talking about pissed about being delayed right now they are "confirming" news about
features, but it's not a complete rebuild or overhaul, That will be obvious as soon as the game launches. Modders will tear them to shreds. Todd internally said, "We make games, not
tools." The toolset is rusty, the content devs are sick of it. Building games on crap tools makes crap games.
this is a collection of known info mixed with the last "leak" of the former dev saying the flying was bad. From the beginning they said that this was the biggest Creation Engine, but the biggest number of changes to the engine since going from Morrowind to Oblivion. This is trying to make an issue out of a statement that they clearly they didn't say
2) Since Bethesda Game Studios Austin released Fallout 76 they have not been working on a new game. They had most teams on 76 support and DL content.
and where did anyone say that BGS Austin was somehow a lead on this game or a new game? I think most indications have been that they are being used as support studio work
3) Until the acquisition BGS was releasing on all major platforms. XBox/MS wanted exclusives to compete .So all the games were slated for XB and PS. But cutting a platform removed a
few headaches. (this was with regards to whether a Playstation version was in development).
again this isnt news, this has been known...
4) The source did not wish to make comments regarding The Elder Scrolls VI or Redfall
uh huh crazy how its the main game that people are talking about pissed about being delayed right now they are "confirming" news about
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