Congratulations on proving people prefer Last Jedi to Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones I guess. QED no one likes The Last Jedi?Yeah? Here are some CinemaScores for you:
https://www.cinemascore.com/publicsearch/index/title/c3RhciA=
Be sure to spot The Phantom Menace and Attack od the Clones.
"Did you not like the reveal of Rey's parents? Star Wars: The Last Jedi director says it could change" ah ah ah wtf...
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/dont-like-reys-parentage-star-wars-the-last-jedi-d/1100-6455845/
Read the interview you posted not just the clickbait headline. RJ says as far as he's concerned Kylo is telling Rey the truth about her parents then goes on to explain why its the stronger narrative decision than making her related to the OT heroes. All he says that remotely implies it being "open" is that he acknowledges that he's not writing or directing the next movie so Abrams could technically change her parentage if he was a complete idiot, which he's not."Did you not like the reveal of Rey's parents? Star Wars: The Last Jedi director says it could change" ah ah ah wtf...
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/dont-like-reys-parentage-star-wars-the-last-jedi-d/1100-6455845/
I'd agree if they didn't decide this before ever seeing a dime of TLJ money. They liked his vision. They at least clashed with Lord and Miller's. Their reasoning for canning his new trilogy would be absurd at this point, whatever it is. He's made them insane money...and it hasn't even hit China yet, right? It's got good scores overall, and it's a direction they must have agreed with, knowing how different it would be during production. I think they have as much faith in him as they do JJ.
But... what SW movie hasn't? TFA made a lot of money, AOTC made a lot of money, TFA made really a lot of money. So did RO and TLJ. Do you think the suits see Johnson as some kind of visionary without who a different TLJ would have totally bombed? Do you think a tighly-controlled studio like Disney would let one of their franchise movies bomb? Even Pirates still make money. You know what Disney movies flopped in the recent years? Tomorrowland, John Carter and Lone Ranger.
You're neglecting the fact that all of those directors faced and failed to resolve issues in production. Trevorrow wasn't fired because of Henry - which had long been completed and was certainly seen by Kennedy before it was released - but rather because he couldn't rewrite Ep. IX after Fisher passed (hence the saga with Connoly's departure and Thorne's brief enlistment).I would hold with that Johnson trilogy celebrations. I bear the man no ill will, but since Disney took over: Michael Arndt was removed from scrinwriting duties, Josh Trank was fired before taking off, Gareth Edwards was sidelined and 40% of RO reshot, Lord and Miller were fired a mere few weeks before the filming on Solo wrapped. Trevorrow was also fired before shooting a single scene. It was heavily implied it was because of Book of Henry's performance and reviews; but this is the same Trevorrow that filmed Jurassic World, a derivative sequel that made more than $1.6 billion worldwide.
Again: risk-averse.
Everyone I've asked has had the same lukewarm reaction.I still haven't met another person in real life who didn't like the movie
Read the interview you posted not just the clickbait headline. RJ says as far as he's concerned Kylo is telling Rey the truth about her parents then goes on to explain why its the stronger narrative decision than making her related to the OT heroes. All he says that remotely implies it being "open" is that he acknowledges that he's not writing or directing the next movie so Abrams could technically change her parentage if he was a complete idiot, which he's not.
I still haven't met another person in real life who didn't like the movie
I still haven't met another person in real life who didn't like the movie
How does this remotely resemble a point? All you're doing is pointing out the absurdity of thinking that this box office result or fan "controversy" is going to effect the upcoming Star Wars film slate at all, especially in light of what ACTUALLY troubling box office looks like. Hell, you don't even need to go for low underperformers like John Carter or Tomorrowland, just look at Justice League for a high-grossing but massively disappointing, send-out-your-resumes performance. TLJ is nowhere near any of that.But... what SW movie hasn't? TFA made a lot of money, AOTC made a lot of money, TFA made really a lot of money. So did RO and TLJ. Do you think the suits see Johnson as some kind of visionary without who a different TLJ would have totally bombed? Do you think a tighly-controlled studio like Disney would let one of their franchise movies bomb? Even Pirates still make money. You know what Disney movies flopped in the recent years? Tomorrowland, John Carter and Lone Ranger.
"Did you not like the reveal of Rey's parents? Star Wars: The Last Jedi director says it could change" ah ah ah wtf...
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/dont-like-reys-parentage-star-wars-the-last-jedi-d/1100-6455845/
My point is they didn't even need to see what kind of success it was to sign him up to take over a huge chunk of Star Wars. Seeing his different take before fans did and deciding he's the guy tells you all you need to know about this "risk averse" stuff. Now that it is a giant success, he isn't going anywhere. Their faith was justified.But... what SW movie hasn't? TFA made a lot of money, AOTC made a lot of money, TFA made really a lot of money. So did RO and TLJ. Do you think the suits see Johnson as some kind of visionary without who a different TLJ would have totally bombed? Do you think a tighly-controlled studio like Disney would let one of their franchise movies bomb? Even Pirates still make money. You know what Disney movies flopped in the recent years? Tomorrowland, John Carter and Lone Ranger.
This is still valid, like you say, that could change because he don't know what Jj will do, that means Disney don't have a plan at all for that trilogy and that JJ can fuck what RJ did like RJ fucked what JJ did, it's not definitive.
That's surprising.
I did have a friend (who is not the kind of person to watch Star Wars) say he heard the movie was "divisive" so obviously some of the bad word of mouth from RT score and such is getting around. And obviously my experience is merely anecdotal and I'm under no illusion that everyone loves the film.
Awww, I like your posts but I love Maz. She's earthy and funny and is one of the few SW characters to flirt and hint at having a libido "where is my boyfriend?! I like that Wookie". She's an adorable tiny orange Space Aunty/Granny, complete with bifocals and chanclas and chunky jewelry, except she ALSO runs a pirate watering hole and is one of Han's best friends, how is she not an original/interesting character?
Also Lupita killed it.
Not to mention this is the first SW film to be included in many many critic's end of year best of lists, it's got genuine rave reviews from tough critics, including all the "Best Since Empire!" nonsense. This shit matters in Hollywood, trust me. Bragging rights are a thing. Artistic cache and clout, even for something as critic-proof as Star Wars matters.My point is they didn't even need to see what kind of success it was to sign him up to take over a huge chunk of Star Wars. Seeing his different take before fans did and deciding he's the guy tells you all you need to know about this "risk averse" stuff. Now that it is a giant success, he isn't going anywhere. Their faith was justified.
I did have a friend (who is not the kind of person to watch Star Wars) say he heard the movie was "divisive" so obviously some of the bad word of mouth from RT score and such is getting around. And obviously my experience is merely anecdotal and I'm under no illusion that everyone loves the film.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...thinks-last-jedi-was-beautifully-made-1067092
They already have a connection because they're both force sensitive and care deeply about Han Solo. That is enough to justify their connection. No need to shoehorn in Anakin's lightsaber and cut the most easily plausible character who could have it, (a space pirate).but it was such an obvious missed opportunity to not have the Rey-Leia connection with the sabre serving as the bridge
I still haven't met another person in real life who didn't like the movie
I like your alternate fan-fic take on the movie, and I would have liked more Leia and Maz, but I still loved what we got. *shrug*The character itself is fine (other than being a Dreamworks CG character), Lupita did great and ideally she would have been in a costume instead, but it was such an obvious missed opportunity to not have the Rey-Leia connection with the sabre serving as the bridge, considering how important it is to establish strong connections between the characters, and especially since Leia is the one who sends off Rey at the end. Get rid of the dumb rankar scene, you can still have Maz as the cantina owner and use her differently than with the whole "here's the sabre and I'm Yoda's alt".
LMAO at the idea that Dead Man's Chest is a success and TLJ isn't.
You're neglecting the fact that all of those directors faced and failed to resolve issues in production. Trevorrow wasn't fired because of Henry - which had long been completed and was certainly seen by Kennedy before it was released - but rather because he couldn't rewrite Ep. IX after Fisher passed (hence the saga with Connoly's departure and Thorne's brief enlistment).
Compared to Trank's FF, Rogue One, Ep. IX, and even TFA, Johnson's production was smooth sailing. He's the only one who hasn't fucked up or delayed his project. He's an extremely capable director and an affable guy. TLJ has done good business and reviewed well. He won't be fired. Not for TLJ, at least ;)
How does this remotely resemble a point? All you're doing is pointing out the absurdity of thinking that this box office result or fan "controversy" is going to effect the upcoming Star Wars film slate at all, especially in light of what ACTUALLY troubling box office looks like. Hell, you don't even need to go for low underperformers like John Carter or Tomorrowland, just look at Justice League for a high-grossing but massively disappointing, send-out-your-resumes performance. TLJ is nowhere near any of that.
My point is they didn't even need to see what kind of success it was to sign him up to take over a huge chunk of Star Wars. Seeing his different take before fans did and deciding he's the guy tells you all you need to know about this "risk averse" stuff. Now that it is a giant success, he isn't going anywhere. Their faith was justified.
He seemed to like it much more than TFA. Said it was "beautifully made."
I think it hews closer to what he originally having envisioned the ST being. The first film, in his treatment, began with Luke training a young female padawan on a planet that looked just like Achc-To. JJ and Kennedy didn't so much throw out his ideas, as decide they needed to build up to them.
I read somewhere that he liked it. Don't remember where that was, tho.
That's interesting. Guess he prefers bolder visions for how it all unfolds.https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...thinks-last-jedi-was-beautifully-made-1067092
George said it was "beautifully made", which is actually high praise coming from a guy whose sense of artistry is primarily craftsmanship. He didn't talk any back-handed smack about it like he did with TFA.
You didn't read anything I wrote for the past few pages, did you?
Just like with Hamil, a lot of people want to plug their ears and cherry pick to suit their narrative.
That's interesting. Guess he prefers bolder visions for how it all unfolds.
If living in a world where TLJ makes close to $650M domestic and finishes top 5/top 10 all time domestic/worldwide box office is a "vaccuum", then suck me up.
Im sorry, I think its a slap in the face to end a movie on a cliff hanger, and then turn it into slapstick comedy with Like throwing the saber over the shoulder, its a coward move, and shows a real lack of respect for your audience. It was the most un-Luke like thing he has ever done, it was jarring, and really set the tine for the back handedness which Rian handled the move with.
I didn't appreciate being made to feel that my passion for star wars means nothing over the course of 2.5 hours. The theme of let the past die being hammered into every scene was something that bothered me to no end. The disrespect was something I was not prepared for.
Im sorry, I think its a slap in the face to end a movie on a cliff hanger, and then turn it into slapstick comedy with Like throwing the saber over the shoulder, its a coward move, and shows a real lack of respect for your audience. It was the most un-Luke like thing he has ever done, it was jarring, and really set the tine for the back handedness which Rian handled the move with.
I didn't appreciate being made to feel that my passion for star wars means nothing over the course of 2.5 hours. The theme of let the past die being hammered into every scene was something that bothered me to no end. The disrespect was something I was not prepared for.
How awesome would it have been if he simply dropped in front of himself, and walked away? As if to say, no, I dont want this. Same effect without the stupidity of tossing it over his shoulder.That's the most Luke-like thing for THIS Luke to do. The Luke we're seeing here is a Luke that's suffered tragedy and isolated himself, he's not at the same place in his life that he was at in RotJ. The lightsaber toss is a GREAT moment, it immediately captures the essence of who Luke is now.
That's the exact opposite of how I felt watching this movie and I've seen it three times now.I didn't appreciate being made to feel that my passion for star wars means nothing over the course of 2.5 hours. .
Fair but we can't just look at one SW movie and not take into account how it's doinf against RO and TFA. SW always does huge, but I doubt that Disney is just looking at those numbers in isolation either.
I've said it before: Disney probably wishes the numbers didn't drop as much from week one to week two, absolutely. But at the same time they still have to be very happy with the result. Top 10 worldwide all time is an incredible feat. A better second weekend drop maybe makes the difference between being Top 7-8 vs Top 10, but either way, it'll finish in there.
Fair but we can't just look at one SW movie and not take into account how it's doinf against RO and TFA. SW always does huge, but I doubt that Disney is just looking at those numbers in isolation either.
Hit me the opposite way. It ignited a passion for this series I'd never had. That kind of difference in viewpoints is so good to me. If it really did follow along TFA's trajectory, I would have thought it's another fun, flawed, "one of those". Johnson made me excited to watch ep 9, but especially to see what he cooks up with his own trilogy.I didn't appreciate being made to feel that my passion for star wars means nothing over the course of 2.5 hours. The theme of let the past die being hammered into every scene was something that bothered me to no end. The disrespect was something I was not prepared for.
How awesome would it have been if he simply dropped in front of himself, and walked away? As if to say, no, I dont want this. Same effect without the stupidity of tossing it over his shoulder.
Dude you guys hyped Rian as this master filmmaker, with Looper.
How awesome would it have been if he simply dropped in front of himself, and walked away? As if to say, no, I dont want this. Same effect without the stupidity of tossing it over his shoulder.
Dude you guys hyped Rian as this master filmmaker, with Looper.
I love the way Luke threw away the lightsaber. One of the things that annoyed me about TFA was all the importance placed on Anakin's old lightsaber. Like it was some sort of mythical object. It was just another lasersword. Luke lost it in Empire, and then he had a new one in Jedi.
Bingo. Also seen TLJ 3 times, and I've never loved Star Wars more than I do right now. And this is speaking as someone who literally fell asleep every night as a kid by reading entries from the Star Wars Encyclopedia.That's the exact opposite of how I felt watching this movie and I've seen it three times now.
Ok. It's already made more domestically than Rogue One did in it's entire run. Such a failure.