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The problem was that the porn was uploaded to Park's official IG account. Which is why every Star Wars related media started posting about it.

The "kid abuse" stories appeared shortly after from random instagram posts. But they were piggybacking from the original shitstorm
Was it porn stolen from him or was it just random porn that claimed to be depicting someone in his life?
 

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The problem was that the porn was uploaded to Park's official IG account. Which is why every Star Wars related media started posting about it.

The "kid abuse" stories appeared shortly after from random instagram posts. But they were piggybacking from the original shitstorm.

That's what makes this whole situation so damn weird. Like no people shouldn't immediately jump to "fuck him" but this was not a normal situation.
 
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Was it porn stolen from him or was it just random porn that claimed to be depicting someone in his life?

Supposedly it was his wife giving someone a blowjob, then the IG account started attacking Daniel Logan.

People then started claiming it was because his wife cheated on him with Logan. But none of that comes from any official source.

THEN the whole "abuser" IG posts from random accounts started popping up and overshadowed the video.

But Park's official IG account did upload the video and did attack Daniel Logan.

It's one big mess of a situation.
 

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Supposedly it was his wife giving someone a blowjob, then the IG account started attacking Daniel Logan.

People then started claiming it was because his wife cheated on him with Logan. But none of that comes from any official source.

Park's IG account did upload the video and did attack Daniel Logan.
But it's not definitely his wife in the video?
 

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The problem was that the porn was uploaded to Park's official IG account. Which is why every Star Wars related media started posting about it.

The "kid abuse" stories appeared shortly after from random instagram posts. But they were piggybacking from the original shitstorm.
The fact that something completely out of left field came from Ray Park's instagram and was quickly followed up by extremely disturbing posts from random bot accounts should be a red flag to be concerned and to exercise critical thinking and patience, not cause to immediately condemn or claim to "knew it all along", grab pitchforks, or whatever other reflexive, unthinking, internet mob mentality response. The more suspect something is, the more concern, caution, critical thinking, and patience we should exercise. Again, it is 100% reasonable to be alarmed and concerned, it's unreasonable to instantly become judge, jury, executioner, and idiot all rolled into one.
 
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I'm not really sure what the lesson people are supposed to be learning is, to be honest.

We're supposed to believe victims, because most of the time the victim is real and telling the truth. When you believe victims over the accused, on some occasions something will fall through the cracks. Sometimes it will turn out that your multiple sources of corroboration were all hacked in some sort of bizarre, wide-ranging conspiracy. What is the alternative? Never believe anyone, no matter what evidence is presented to you? MeToo made a lot of strides, then we had Jussie Smollett and Johnny Depp and now we're right back to "don't believe anyone unless there's clear video evidence."

Except even that won't be good enough eventually -- are we ready for the first deepfaked allegations? Because those are coming next, sooner than we think. Are we ready for when someone posts a video of a celebrity dropping the n-bomb or talking about how they raped someone, and it turns out to be a huge video/audio manipulation hoax? This is the future of the internet.

I have no idea how we handle allegations in a world where you can't believe anything your eyes are seeing anymore.
I don't see drive by posting "fuck xxxx" to be the same as believing victims. The victim was barely talked about here.
 
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Sad.

I hear he is a giant sweetheart at cons and a professional on set.

Who the fuck does this to someone and their family?
 

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To be fair this was a pretty convincing hoax, so in future we need to make sure that we all, and threads of this nature, double check their sources before we rush to condemn someone so much.

I mean, we should always believe the victims, but also be a bit slower to jump on the gas pedal when official accounts start posting random crazy and illegal stuff they obviously wouldn't normally post.

That's not to say we shouldn't condemn propel who do bad stuff. Just... I dunno what the answer is. Give them one chance to respond and explain. Then rip into them if their response is obviously shit. Or something.



And seperately, whether he did it or not, it's pretty sad how the first half of this thread was just saying "thank god for Sam Witwer." Like that's the point of concern here.
 
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To be fair this was a pretty convincing hoax, so in future we need to make sure that we all, and threads of this nature, double check their sources before we rush to condemn someone so much.

I mean, we should always believe the victims, but also be a bit slower to jump on the gas pedal when official accounts start posting crazy and illegal stuff they obviously wouldn't normally post.



An seperately, whether he did it or not, it's pretty sad how the first half of this thread was just saying "thank god for Sam Witwer." Like that's the point of concern here.

Exactly, the whole "it looked convincing" / "what, we shouldn't believe victims?" thing doesn't really apply when the first page of the thread looks the way it does.
 

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Oh look. More proof that the pitchfork mob (cancel culture) is vile and dangerous. It's not like this hasn't happened before!
 

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As soon as ERA can get any "justification" on attacking someone, you're damn sure they'll take that chance and abuse the fuck out of it

One thing I learned as an immigrant is that there are wonderful people who will help protect me from discrimination and made me feel loved and welcome here. Another thing I've learned is that there are people who want to use me as an excuse to bully someone while having moral high ground. It's the same thing. I've learned to accept that just because someone shares my politics it doesn't mean they are necessarily great people.
 

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I updated my post with what I learned to do next time something like this comes up just in case to avoid getting ahead of a story before it fully cooks.
 

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I'm really glad the Ray Park initial accusations seem to be untrue. Hopefully they catch whoever pulled this bullshit on the family and throw them in a cell.

The unfortunate side effect of this situation is that human garbage disposal Andy Signore is climbing out of his hole once again and harassing women (again) because of the strong initial reaction to the news. Hopefully he crawls back into whatever hole he came out of soon and never comes out again.
 

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I'm confused, is the porn with Daniel Logan still uploaded or not.. because he the one that suffered the most from this from recent outcome. I guess its a good thing if no one talking about it.
 

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Yo dawg, where you at
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Every time.
 

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Oh wow, what a wild ride. All of this effort to go after Ray Park / his family? My initial reaction was off base, but I'd rather side with potential victims so I don't feel bad about being wrong.
 

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This thread is everything wrong with the internet summed up in 6 dumb pages, in so many ways. I hate what we've become. I fucking hate it.
 
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I'm confused, is the porn with Daniel Logan still uploaded or not.. because he the one that suffered the most from this from recent outcome. I guess its a good thing if no one talking about it.

We never knew I it was Logan or not. After the video went up there was a post from Park's IG attacking Logan for "Wanting my wife". The video was deleted alongside all the comments.

Parks wife later said that the IG posts about abuse from their kids were completely false, and pleaded for people to said stop spreading falsehoods.

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This is why I usually don't rush straight into these threads to pass judgement. Nothing is really gained by the dog pile and it certainly doesn't help the victim. If it becomes clear that the accusations are true then by all means have your say but rushing in doesn't achieve much.
 
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I think the takeaway here is to provide at least two sources before rushing to create a thread with 'breaking' news about someone's potential fuckery.
 

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I don't think anyone is wrong to be concerned and to want to hold people accountable for their actions, but I feel like that can be done without taking it over the top. That aside, it bothers me that more folks were immediately concerned about the casting situation first and foremost.
 

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Had a feeling this was fake. It happening the day (or two?) After Maul got back into spotlight, made me feel like it was hackers jumping on the opportunity rather than him deciding to do blatant, abhorrent shit the second he got in the spotlight.

The Snapchat story also seemed like bull cuz I doubt a daughter would go thru all this trauma, and then this is what would push her over the edge to come forward. It's crazy how easy it is to make these hoaxes and have the internet horde jump on it.
 

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How current are you on the story?

Quite current actually and the recent developments are sickening. Fine if you lot want to carry water for the guy whose texts talk about wanting to rape and murder his wife, admitted headbutting her on tape, audio threatening to hurt himself if she didn't comply with his wishes, lied about a self-inflicted injury to implicate someone else and so on but I won't. It's clear cut abusive behaviour. And don't dare "but she" and twist this as me carrying water for Heard as if it's a zero sum game here. They are both troubled individuals, Depp merely won the PR war. Last I checked he will still be reprising his role in the upcoming Fantastic Beasts sequel, a major franchise, people crying that his career was "cancelled" are delusional, most working actors can only dream of landing a gig like that.
 
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