his moves were sickWhich goes against his original portrayal.
Also, he looses both fights. So badass.
he portrays teh bad ass jedi he is and was, dont know what youre talking about
his moves were sickWhich goes against his original portrayal.
Also, he looses both fights. So badass.
I would somewhat agree that Luke's portrayal was disappointing, especially if you've been waiting for 30+ years to see the character again. From a storytelling standpoint, they chose to show him at his worst, so he could have an arc that ends on a high note. He's not the Jedi master that we were expecting to see, although we do get that portrayal at the very end where we see that at least his avatar practices good hygiene.I have to disagree. Personally, if you take TLJ, by itself, out of the context of all the movies, I think it's a terrific movie. But It's just not what I wanted to see out of Luke's character... a bitter old man, scared, hidden on an island.
The man we saw at the END of Return of jedi is not the same Man we saw in TLJ. With that said, I applaud Rian Johnson, he is an awesome film maker.
nah it just made him look like a bad ass
loved that they made the light saber fights actually cool in the PT, and the ST for that matter
Honestly I kinda put that on JJ Abrams. He's the one who stuck Luke on a deserted island for no reason.
My only problem with Luke's death is that there was some scratch on the screen, so when the shot cuts to a close-up of the suns setting the scratch made it look like there was a ship on the horizon, and I started thinking, Who's that? Is that the First Order attack Snoke was going to send? Someone else? Who's coming for Luke? Which immediately took me out of what was happening.
Much better experience watching it at home lol.
It wasn't a scratch on the theater screen. There really is a black spot on the sun in that shot.
I don't know if it's just a sun spot that they left in for some reason or if it's supposed to mislead us or whatever (or if it's really a ship?). I wondered what it was when I watched the film too, but it didn't took me out of it.
LOL no it didn't. It was goofy as shit.
And you are also missing the whole point of Yoda from ESB if you want him to be a 'badass.' Literal quote: Luke: "I am searching for a great warrior." Yoda: "Wars not make one great."
Luke went out in the most badass way this series could have done.
He doesn't get shot, he doesn't lose some fucking sword fight, he doesn't stay behind in some dumb fucking explosion. He shows what a master he is in reconnecting with the force, honoring the teachings of Yoda, saves the Resistance, and projects this idealized image of an elder Luke Skywalker for everyone to see, all while ending on one final diss and making Kylo Ren look like a fucking chump.
AND HE WAS NEVER. EVEN. THERE.
Legitimately the best fucking shit in the saga right there. The rest of the movie makes some hits and some misses, but if you're ending Luke Skywalker, that is how you fucking do it.
One of the strongest scenes in the entire series. Luke manifesting his absolute being across an entire fucking galaxy, interacting with loved ones, and deceiving his enemies, is such a phenomenally triumphant demonstration of the force in passivity, where bonds of love and connection are formed with authenticity, and folly comes only to enemies too blind sighted by their own ego to see the truth. There's such a wonderful blend of tranquillity and ascension, and expression of mastery and sacrifice, in the scene and what it represents.
I have absolutely no time for people who argue Luke was neutered in The Last Jedi. I cannot think of a more fitting demonstration of and ending to someone with unparalleled mastery of the force.
Yeah what a letdown from the guy whose most significant decision in the fight with Vader was throwing aside his weapons, after being trained by a little dude who instantly shut down the notion of being a "great warrior."He died like a wimp.
Only moment of excitement I had in that film was when I believed he was really there, about to wack the first order and spank bootleg vader.
Exactly, Luke supposed failure with Kylo was enough for him to relinquish all that helped him topple the empire and redeem his father and save the galaxy? It's a character assassination by Rian that is in direct opposition to who Luke is. So bad was it that it literally proves Han dismissal of the Jedi, "It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense". He didn't give up with Vader who murdered millions, but does with Kylo that he thought killed a dozen, simply awful treatment of Luke's legacy.I have to disagree. Personally, if you take TLJ, by itself, out of the context of all the movies, I think it's a terrific movie. But It's just not what I wanted to see out of Luke's character... a bitter old man, scared, hidden on an island.
The man we saw at the END of Return of jedi is not the same Man we saw in TLJ. With that said, I applaud Rian Johnson, he is an awesome film maker.
Rian? You mean JJ. That whole backstory comes directly from Han's speech in TFA.Exactly, Luke supposed failure with Kylo was enough for him to relinquish all that helped him topple the empire and redeem his father and save the galaxy? It's a character assassination by Rian that is in direct opposition to who Luke is. So bad was it that it literally proves Han dismissal of the Jedi, "It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense". He didn't give up with Vader who murdered millions, but does with Kylo that he thought killed a dozen, simply awful treatment of Luke's legacy.
Fortunately, Rian Johnson does not share your preference for one note characters.Exactly, Luke supposed failure with Kylo was enough for him to relinquish all that helped him topple the empire and redeem his father and save the galaxy? It's a character assassination by Rian that is in direct opposition to who Luke is. So bad was it that it literally proves Han dismissal of the Jedi, "It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense". He didn't give up with Vader who murdered millions, but does with Kylo that he thought killed a dozen, simply awful treatment of Luke's legacy.
It wasn't a scratch on the theater screen. There really is a black spot on the sun in that shot.
I don't know if it's just a sun spot that they left in for some reason or if it's supposed to mislead us or whatever (or if it's really a ship?). I wondered what it was when I watched the film too, but it didn't took me out of it.
Huh? In a big theater the black spot was much more noticeable. I didn't watch it in 3D or anything by the way.Who are you superhuman people who can instantly spot such a tiny little thing while (supposedly) being immersed in a story?
I kind of hate it.
The beauty of the end of RotJ is the emperor is the one making this grand use of the force and he is undone by a greater power. Love.
Luke throws his saber away showing that evil has failed to win his soul. His actions and faith save his father. And Vader grabs the Emperor with his bare hands and throws him in a hole. It's truly incredible.
Contrast that with TLJ and we see Luke Skywalker using a grand, over the top, anime-ish use of the force to troll the very person he helped push to the darkside. Esh. Not good. Never once are we led to believe Luke tried to save Kylo. Not the character we grew to love from the original films.
Obviously the main thing we're supposed to take away is that through a peaceful action Luke saves the resistance and inspired the rest of the galaxy to join the fight. And also that Luke's actions make him not the right person to lead Kylo to redemption or if it's possible for Kylo at all.
Its an interesting idea but in execution it comes off like all he achieves is buying time for a now decimated resistance to escape and clean up the mess he made.
Well, you can't really blame them since the prequels pretty much made that a thing.
Some people on this forum would genuiinely argue that one of the most badass things Luke's ever done was slicing off Vader's hand, and not the part where he came to his senses and threw the lightsaber away and resigned himself to death over falling to the darkside. SW was always anti "just show up and kill everything with the laser sword like a badass" and the best showcases of the force in Disney lineup are all examples of what the force was supposed to represent in the first place.
Yeah know what's so funny? All this talk about how badass Luke is in the old EU and how he'd never give up...didn't he like fall to the dark side twice in the old EU?
Seems nearly the entire thread ignored the premise of the thread in order to do another TLJ bitch fest.
I really appreciated the bit about Rey and the mirror.The article legitimately brought tears to my eyes and I feel like no one is even reading it.
I actually read it yesterday, and I think it's a beautiful article.Seems nearly the entire thread ignored the premise of the thread in order to do another TLJ bitch fest.
He was playing Kylo and appealing to everything that he knew would make Kylo angry.Why didn't he manifest his green lightsaber? Didn't Kylo know Rey had Anakin's lightsaber?
All while denying Kylo the opportunity to kill that part his past.He was playing Kylo and appealing to everything that he knew would make Kylo angry.
It really highlights just how big of an L Kylo took because he didn't notice any of the giveaways. From Luke purposefully avoiding every strike and never making an attempt to parry, Luke not leaving any footprints, Luke somehow surviving something that would be impossible to survive even for a jedi master, Luke using Anakin's lightsaber instead of his green one. Like, Kylo got played.
He tried to warn him.All while denying Kylo the opportunity to kill that part his past.
In death Luke will be more powerful than Kylo can imagine.
A preference for contrivance is more accurate, and a complete failure to do something inventive whilst remaining sympathetic to what's already well established.Fortunately, Rian Johnson does not share your preference for one note characters.
🥱A preference for contrivance is more accurate, and a complete failure to do something inventive whilst remaining sympathetic to what's already well established.
I like how you don't see the difference between Luke not having anything that can be called first hand experience with what Vader did twenty years ago, like Obi-wan and Yoda:A preference for contrivance is more accurate, and a complete failure to do something inventive whilst remaining sympathetic to what's already well established.
Luke went out in the most badass way this series could have done.
He doesn't get shot, he doesn't lose some fucking sword fight, he doesn't stay behind in some dumb fucking explosion. He shows what a master he is in reconnecting with the force, honoring the teachings of Yoda, saves the Resistance, and projects this idealized image of an elder Luke Skywalker for everyone to see, all while ending on one final diss and making Kylo Ren look like a fucking chump.
AND HE WAS NEVER. EVEN. THERE.
Legitimately the best fucking shit in the saga right there. The rest of the movie makes some hits and some misses, but if you're ending Luke Skywalker, that is how you fucking do it.
I like how you don't see the difference between Luke not having anything that can be called first hand experience with what Vader did twenty years ago, like Obi-wan and Yoda:
and having first hand experience with Kylo burning down his temple and killing everyone.
Like, there's a reason Obi-wan and Yoda weren't pinning for redemption vs Luke who didn't even know the jedi were a thing. It's a pretty clear parallel minus the part where there's babies who Luke could count on to beat the baddies when they grow up.