Absolutely. Sleeping in Light is a masterclass in how to end a series in a satisfying and fitting way.
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Absolutely. Sleeping in Light is a masterclass in how to end a series in a satisfying and fitting way.
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That alien seen in the background of last episode is the daughter of Trek makeup artist Michael Westmore
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I'm not surprised. That was the worst part of the episode.
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wait, I didn't even know they were doing an official podcast lol
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Maybe but better that they put it now than let it simmer and create this mythical event.
It's the uniform as they wore in the Countdown comic. So either a flashback sequence, or a very weird ruse.
Right, what I meant is that it implies there have been two significant uniform changes since the Dominion War, not just the one we've already seen in the show.
I guess in hindsight that's not terrible for two decades of time passing.
Hmm maybe Picard opts for the last Starfleet uniform he officially wore for his not-Starfleet ship command?
This series is not bad, but is not the best directed or written.
I think the first 2 episodes of discovery were quite a bit better.
I think the first 2 episodes of discovery were quite a bit better.
She also has a army of warrior cobalt tarantulas. She trained the whole hive to be deadly warriors.I thought that the devil spider existed in Janeway's mind, and like a devil on her shoulder, it's telling her to make evil decisions, so the spider was telling Janeway to eat Harry.
But the directional pointer of that thought bubble is a little unclear. It could be Janeway who wants the devil spider to eat Harry.
But then again, if Janeway=spider, does it even matter which one is which? The slight ambiguity to the pointer could actually be really deep.
Either way, I assume the answer is "No, not yet." Janeway can't kill Harry (yet), because Harry's suffering must never end.
Edit: kudos on both posters for the SfDebris references
Interesting. My least favorite episodes of Discovery are probably 1x01 and 1x02. I didn't think they were awful, but I find "Remembrance" and "Maps and Legends" significantly stronger both in the directing and the writing departments.
Yes, they were not discoveries best episodes but I think the pacing, Chracter Introductions and camera work are better then the first couple of Picard episodes.
Yeah, that's got to be a flashback sequence. I think Stewart is even aged-down a bit there, either with makeup or CGI.
And two uniforms since 2380 is actually low, considering we had four uniforms in just 10 years back in the TNG era.
Admirals were crazy with all the changes in uniforms during that period. I feel like it changed every other episode lol
Starfleet's fashion department unionised a long time ago. They've got a iron grip on a pretty good gig.
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Weird crossover
I thought the same thing when I watched the episode
Out of all the iterations, the only uniforms that looked the least bit comfortable and functional were the ones worn on Enterprise.
Starfleet's been on a downhill trajectory ever since.
From a style standpoint, they look good, but I have one word: pockets. Plus the material looks really light and comfy, and I like how the undershirt part of it isn't really a turtleneck and it buttons up, so you could adjust the comfort on it.
What bugged me with the First Contact era ones was for TV they never fit or were cut the same way for people. Worf and Sisko had massive slits down the front, while Bashir's uniform always fit really weirdly.
I like these uniforms a lot more than the ones they're using for the present.
I've always assumed a lot of the uniforms actually have pockets, they're just magically invisible until you need them. In the future, you can have your skinny jeans and still have practical pockets!
The same way the First Contact uniforms split down the front into a two-piece with no visible fasteners (because they just swapped the uniform, but it was a nice touch to "future clothes!" without being ridiculous looking.)
I like to think Starfleet is very lax with their uniforms because they don't want to seem TOO military, they are like Target employees, just wear a red shirt and khaki pants, the style is up to you.
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I couldn't finish the first season. I REALLY didn't like it, the tone and acting where all over the place, wasn't a fan of the writing and I don't know if it was just the version on Amazon but it was a really ugly looking show.
B5 is great but the 1st season is TNG S1 rough. When Bruce Boxleitner turns up, shit gets good.
I've made it through all of the rough patches of Trek just fine, but B5 was particularly bad to me. Maybe I'll go back and try to finish the first season to get to the second one.
Picard is trying to appeal to nostalgia so it's understandable that they're not doing anything out of the ordinary with the camera work.
As a practical person I agree, however what the hell would they carry in them? They dictate everything to computer, doors are automatic, they're a cashless society, it'd just be a place to put your hands.
Actually the engineering smock Torres wore some episodes would be good for engineers. But yeah in the 24th century there isn't alot of reason for pockets.
That's really the only reason you need. Imagine how much more relaxed Barclay may have been if he'd just had something to do with his hands.
Unless he could disappear his entire body into one I'm not sure he'd have felt any different.
So, what's the deal with this Romulan Free State, then? They seem to be pretty open to giving visas to citizens of the Federation to work in their special research facility, which is pretty un-Romulan.
Late to post on the second episode, really enjoyed it overall. The synthetics on Mars were surprisingly creepy (especially the one who initiates the killing spree), I haven't been that put off by a robotic villain in quite awhile. Also regarding the workers, it's interesting but also weird to see "regular working Joes" in a Star Trek show. It's jarring at first but I like that they are trying to show what "normal life" is like and that not everybody is a stuffed shirt on a starship (and also how maybe kinda racist and callous the workers were towards the synthetics). Conspiracy plot was moved forward well. I loved it when Picard stood up to the trash director and said "Ignore me at your peril!"
Only scene I didn't care for which had me rolling my eyes was at the end when Picard meets up with Michelle Hurd's character and they do that tired old trope so many shows and movies do of: "Tough female character who had some kind of troubled past with the male character loudly tells him she's still so mad about whatever happened that she wants nothing to do with him and says that she will totally kill him but then at the last second the male lead either begs for help in an "endearing boyish way" or does something wry and scampish which causes the exasperated female character to go "Oh you!" and instantly change her mind about not wanting to help. Cue the audience laughter!" Rise of Skywalker did the same stupid thing with Zorii and Poe, so many shows do this hackey old bit, I don't get it.
Not to mention Paramount shamelessly ripped off the concept, overall themes and even basic story arc hooks of B5 by mining the Babylon 5 series bible which they had in their possession when jms was still trying to sell the show to other studios before WB picked it up. According to jms this was further corroborated by Peter Jurasik who claimed a DS9 lead said to him at a party in LA when both shows were still on the air 'Just so you know, we know that our show comes from you and we're all rooting for you to succeed.' There was also more supporting info on Paramount ripping off B5 from (I believe) a marketing person which jms talks about in his autobiography which was released this past year.
Also want to say Sleeping in Light still makes me tear up every single time I watch it and it's a shame we never got spin off miniseries dealing with Centauri Prime during the War Without End time period and the Telepath War/Bester's fate (I read the Peter David novels, they were really good but too bad they were written by Peter David given how he is now :/ ) Now so many of the leads of B5 have died and jms said in a series of tweets a few years ago that Warner Bros told him they flat out have no interest in continuing or rebooting Babylon 5 in any way. Depressing. Oh yeah, did I mention I really loathe Warner Bros and find them to be one of the dumbest and most incompetent entertainment studios on the face of the earth? I also will never forgive Warner Bros for how they just let the Iron Giant twist in the wind.
Only scene I didn't care for which had me rolling my eyes was at the end when Picard meets up with Michelle Hurd's character and they do that tired old trope so many shows and movies do of: "Tough female character who had some kind of troubled past with the male character loudly tells him she's still so mad about whatever happened that she wants nothing to do with him and says that she will totally kill him but then at the last second the male lead either begs for help in an "endearing boyish way" or does something wry and scampish which causes the exasperated female character to go "Oh you!" and instantly change her mind about not wanting to help. Cue the audience laughter!" Rise of Skywalker did the same stupid thing with Zorii and Poe, so many shows do this hackey old bit, I don't get it.
Not to mention Paramount shamelessly ripped off the concept, overall themes and even basic story arc hooks of B5 by mining the Babylon 5 series bible which they had in their possession when jms was still trying to sell the show to other studios before WB picked it up. According to jms this was further corroborated by Peter Jurasik who claimed a DS9 lead said to him at a party in LA when both shows were still on the air 'Just so you know, we know that our show comes from you and we're all rooting for you to succeed.' There was also more supporting info on Paramount ripping off B5 from (I believe) a marketing person which jms talks about in his autobiography which was released this past year.
Also want to say Sleeping in Light still makes me tear up every single time I watch it and it's a shame we never got spin off miniseries dealing with Centauri Prime during the War Without End time period and the Telepath War/Bester's fate (I read the Peter David novels, they were really good but too bad they were written by Peter David given how he is now :/ ) Now so many of the leads of B5 have died and jms said in a series of tweets a few years ago that Warner Bros told him they flat out have no interest in continuing or rebooting Babylon 5 in any way. Depressing. Oh yeah, did I mention I really loathe Warner Bros and find them to be one of the dumbest and most incompetent entertainment studios on the face of the earth? I also will never forgive Warner Bros for how they just let the Iron Giant twist in the wind.
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wait what happened with Peter David(the comic book writer)?
He did a bit of both sides'ing regarding Charlottesville saying 'It's not ok some of the Nazis got fired from their jobs.' There may be other examples but that stands out the most.
I'm gonna try to make this my last Babylon 5 related post in this thread but as a die hard B5 fan who used to grit his teeth watching most of season 1 and also as someone who rewatched the series this past year when it was still on Amazon Prime (gone as of last Thurs), there is still some seriously essential gold in S1 and it contains multiple nice "Ah ha!" moments which don't pay off until much later when you rewatch the series. Here are IMO the best season 1 episodes which are also story arc heavy and can't miss if you want to mostly skip the rest:
Mind War - First appearance of Bester (man, did Walter Koenig kill it as a villain in that role!), does an overall good job exploring the dark side of the Psi Corps and Telepath/Telekinetic development and Talia's internal conflict of being a loyal Corps member but knowing it's wrong. But the real reason I LOVE this episode:
In a nicely executed bonus side plot, the First Ones and overall story arc of scary, ancient god like alien species are introduced for the first time along with our first glimpse of seeing another side to G'Kar....
Signs and Portents - Must watch as A) It's a great episode and B) Introduces
Mr. Morden and the Shadows.
Legacies - Nice, tense episode which explores the emotional aftermath of the Earth/Minbari war and the ongoing struggle between the Minbari warrior and religious castes. It also introduces Neroon who is a great character you will see more of later.
Born to the Purple - On the surface it's a cheesy romance episode with Londo dating an exotic dancer but it's essential viewing to fully understand a couple of plot twists in seasons 3&4.
A Voice in the Wilderness 1&2 - Explores a location and tech which will have a rather large impact on the rest of the series. Does a nice job exploring the theme of self sacrifice and living for a greater cause including a character you wouldn't expect that quality from.
Babylon Squared - Really fun time travel adventure/rescue mission which is a must watch as it directly sets up the core plot for an epic two parter in season 3. Also introduces the greatness that is Zathras.
The Quality of Mercy - Main plot involves a cheesy serial killer played by a bad actor but you should still watch it because it introduces some important alien tech which is essential later on and best of all, a ridiculously fun side plot where Londo takes Lennier under his wing for a rowdy night on the town.
Chrysalis - Incredible episode where the show officially takes off and never looks back. A season finale so good most season finales from most other TV shows aren't good enough to be in its presence.
The pilot is awful and really rough (it makes almost any given season 1 episode look nice and shiny in comparison), just avoid it for now and maybe watch it much later to fill in a few missing bits.
Other very general non-spoiler thoughts on the other seasons:
Season 2 - Very little season one style filler, it's mostly essential arc plot lines from here on out and Bruce Boxleitner hits it out of the park as Captain Sheridan.
Season 3&4 Both are amazing roller coasters, intense and almost pure arc.
Season 5 - Rough in a lot of places, you can tell jms ran out of arc plot lines which were used up prematurely in season 4 out of necessity when it looked like season 5 might not happen. It features two new characters you will probably hate but if you stick with it the later portion of the season rebounds and the lead up episodes to the finale are great. It's not an exaggeration to say that the finale itself is incredibly emotional and one of the greatest final episodes in TV history and sticks the landing infinitely better than most current shows could ever hope to dream.
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There was already a dissident movement that was bolstered by Spock. Also it's not like they can be really isolated when scattered to the wind and Tal Shiar only have so many tentacles.
JMS has also said he doesn't believe that Michael Piller and Ira Steven Behr knew about it. As the idea was pitched by a Paramount executive and they just ran with it.
The identical name Dukat gives away the shared origin.
Except B5's Dukat was a great man cut short in war, DS9's Dukat was basically Hitler.
B5 was supposed to be the diplomatic center. DS9 was a frontier station pushed into the lime light.
And both shows went in very different directions. Some similar concepts crop up. But that often happens in speculative fiction that is produced at the same time.
They are both great shows, there is no reason to attack one to uplift the other.