Yeah Telltale's recent games have been great. Just wish they'd fix the jank.
Good thing novels aren't canon :) Ignore at your leisure!
Jason Statham is 3 years older now than Patrick Stewart was when TNG first aired.
Is Jason Isaacs really a bigger star than Michelle Yeoh? I guess I'm out of touch.
i must have been living under a rock then because I wasn't familiar with either of them until Discovery lol
Well, maybe not. Their cast has to be a huge part of the budget. Then again British actors seem in general more willing to do lots of TV projects compared to Hollywood actors.
There was a hot moment when she was the biggest Asian actress in the world. But I also realize that half the people on this board are probably born after 2000. lol
I just looked on his wikipedia page and since I never watched Harry Potter, I just assumed he was some character actor. lol
Y'all are crazy Isaacs is huge, so many good hollywood movies just off the top of my head:
The Patriot
Armageddon
Harry Potter moves all 8
The Tuxedo
Black Hawk Down
Pretty sure I remember seeing him in the 1st Resident Evil
Event Horizon
Dragonhart
He's also an awesome human being but I guess that's not why you pay the guy.
I imagine he is quite expensive but I think worth it, I hate to see him go he's one of my favorite actors.
The Patriot
Armageddon
Harry Potter moves all 8
The Tuxedo
Black Hawk Down
Pretty sure I remember seeing him in the 1st Resident Evil
Event Horizon
Dragonhart
He's also an awesome human being but I guess that's not why you pay the guy.
I imagine he is quite expensive but I think worth it, I hate to see him go he's one of my favorite actors.
Same, and apparently I've watched a few movies each were in.
Other than Harry Potter, was he the star of any of those?
I mean I recognize him, but I saw him on Stephen Tobolowski-level, not big A-lister level.
(I assume he was the IRA guy in The Patriot.)
Admittedly not, though The Patriot arguably yes. He was the main antagonist.
He was never a star in Harry Potter either. What does he get, like 20 minutes of screentime in 8 movies?
Oh, you know some band of Klingons would still show up.
Reading this Vulture piece and while I don't agree with a lot of it (I've got my issues with Discovery, but they're not related to Burnham somehow being a token black woman), I do think that the criticisms of how the plot twists seemed in service of the twists themselves rather than the characters is a solid one. Lorca was a great character up until the point he actually turned out not to be morally complex and perhaps suffering from trauma related to losing his crew in a war, but just evil.
I didn't like the Klingons on this show. But I always enjoyed them in the other shows like that time they showed up on Voyager.
Sad that I have lost all interest in them. It's not so much because they were the antagonists here, it's just, they were boring and uninteresting.
Sad that I have lost all interest in them. It's not so much because they were the antagonists here, it's just, they were boring and uninteresting.
There was a hot moment when she was the biggest Asian actress in the world. But I also realize that half the people on this board are probably born after 2000. lol
I just looked on his wikipedia page and since I never watched Harry Potter, I just assumed he was some character actor. lol
Born in 83...but now I recognize her lol
Whoa he was in Event Horizon? I love that movie, other than that I haven't seen the other ones except Black Hawk Down.
Apparently I have too lol
I'm actually fine with Lorca literally being genetically evil because it means that "good" Lorca might have been a normal human being. lol
There's probably room for some nuance in the morality of the Trek characters, but I don't think it works in the context of starfleet. It's like having a Marvel movie starring an anti-hero. The Punisher really wouldn't work in the current MCU, where it's all shiny and positive and everyone's a hero.
The Jem Hadar were basically antagonistic Klingons, with a similar "bred for battle" bloodlust, and they worked well for what they were. I think people would be better off inventing a new race with the same traits rather than using the Klingons and all the baggage associated with them.
Or alternatively double down and have a Klingon main character and try to actually explore the nuances of Klingon society and how it doesn't really work.
I'd like that if it was an actual Klingon. Not whatever most of these people were, like they get stranded and save one on a ship and he hangs around for a while or something but he's just some random soldier not a head of house or whatever.
Just do Andromeda's premise in Trek. One ship in a hostile universe after the fall of the Federation. The point being to put the Federation back together again.
Barely anyone watched Andromeda anyways.
Barely anyone watched Andromeda anyways.
I agree. I actually don't have many problems with the redesign (just give them hair back is all I ask), but the cultural stuff seemed poor. It's a shame.
As has been shown regarding the redesign, just give them hair and they look like standard Klingons of 1979 onwards
I've wanted a Trek Telltale game for years now--it just seems like the perfect fit for the franchise, pretty much. (Don't get me wrong, my dream is a full-on open-world RPG, but I know that'll never happen--to make such a game actually feel like Trek, you'd have to break so many of the genre's conventions regarding combat, frequency of enemy encounters, and so on, that it'd be a super hard sell, even if the franchise got back to peak TNG popularity again.)
It's honestly kinda surprising that we've never heard rumours that such a thing might be in the works. Working with outside IP is Telltale's whole MO, and I feel like the scope/production cost of your average Telltale game wouldn't be prohibitive for a company like CBS. Maybe, now that the Trek IP's back out of the doldrums, the cogs might start turning.
It's honestly kinda surprising that we've never heard rumours that such a thing might be in the works. Working with outside IP is Telltale's whole MO, and I feel like the scope/production cost of your average Telltale game wouldn't be prohibitive for a company like CBS. Maybe, now that the Trek IP's back out of the doldrums, the cogs might start turning.
So, thinking about that finale, did they ever establish that Prime Georgiou was bi? Or is it just her mirror universe self?
Cus that whole thing of showing a character lacks morals by making the all depraved and *gasp* bisexual? I thought we were done with that last decade. It's really lazy shorthand. Did I miss them establishing this character as Bisexual before this scene or was it as jarring as I thought?
Cus that whole thing of showing a character lacks morals by making the all depraved and *gasp* bisexual? I thought we were done with that last decade. It's really lazy shorthand. Did I miss them establishing this character as Bisexual before this scene or was it as jarring as I thought?
I get you I hope they do establish that Georgiou had a wife back on earth but it'll probably be more "Roman emperors had sex with any servant they wanted" and go with that.
Man a secret earth wife would be awesome!
Like, I get the parallels with Rome that they're going for; but I really don't get how sexuality is supposed to work in the 23rd century anyway. From what the show has shown so far, the future is still built on monogamous relationships; and most people are still heterosexual. There's not really been any setup of a post label society or anything, or any indication that it's normal to experiment in the future. Just a pair of gay men who acted exactly like 2018 gay Americans (until one of them was unceremoniously killed off (which I'm still mad about, they could've killed one of the do nothing bridge people instead of one of like Starfleet's only gays ever.))
So far our only model of sexual fluidity in this setting is when the amoral genocidal monster from another universe does it. And that's kind of annoying.
Just watched the first ep. Good cast and high production values, but I dunno man, it just didn't grab me. Will watch another few eps and see if it picks up.
First episodes (1/2) are prequels to the show. They're a little different than the standard episodes but the CG is still pretty rad. The war for he most part takes a back seat so give it a few episodes of Discovery proper.
Mostly to me the "everyone's bi" thing annoys me because it's so clearly just a legacy of 90s TV and heterosexual titillation; it's kind of funny that DS9 has some of the best examinations of alternate non-human sexualities and then was the one that started the 'everyone (read: hot women) is bi in the mirror universe' trope by essentially misreading their own episode (Mirror Kira in "Crossover" isn't really bi, so much as so narcissistic she'd bang her doppleganger.)
The rules of Star Trek is that it's not, at least for human society, any drastic reconfiguration, so I imagine it's still the 5-10% LGB population. I kind of assume that if someone has gender dysphoria they can screen for that and fix it in the future so no one is actually trans though. Who knows about non-binary. Would be thorny for ST to get into that though.
See, I don't think Lorca was that bad though—he was basically a more ethically murky read on the classic "breaks the rules but gets results" main character, and in that sense I enjoyed where they went with Burnham and Lorca in that sense (although not in the ham-fisted mutiny stuff). Really the worst thing we saw him do was decide not to rescue the Admiral, which was definitely self-serving but was also playing by the book. Essentially it would have been possible to read him before the MU reveal as a flawed but good character rather than falling full-on into the anti-hero mold, the same way Sisko manipulating the course of the Dominion War didn't make him irredeemable (and honestly, if we stack up each person's transgressions, I don't think there's any way Sisko doesn't have more sins to pay for, albeit we've also got more seasons of exposure. Agreeing with a conspiracy to kill a head of state, conspiracy to hoodwink a foreign power, biological terrorism, trafficking in banned substances...)
There's also the more metafictional reasons I hate the reveal, such as no one apparently noticing Lorca had gone evil when all the other shows make it pretty clear MU counterparts have a hell of a time trying to act "normal".
The Mirror Universe isn't really "oh hey everyone is evil!", so it's not that difficult to believe Lorca was able to fool people. Plus it was during a time of war and apparently a lot of Starfleet higher ups were willing to look the other way as long as Lorca got results.
I very much doubt he's going to want to do that again. Nearly destroyed his career last time.
I think it was the biggest WTF for everyone, even the people filming the thing.
I read the writers got wind of how unpopular he was so put him the mirror universe purely for viewers to watch him die.
I think it'd be fine if they took the time to show either the captain be bisexual in the normal universe, or have a bi character at all.
Also the novels made Mirror Kira definitively bi. But I think the show did that to Ezri in the final mirror universe episode anyway. (I remember they shipped her with another female mirror counterpart).
I guess it's strange because the Mirror humans become "Good guys" in DS9, so the franchise turns back to the nurture side of the equation because it leads for more interesting stories, but it's not like he was going to be a reformer. And it's clear that whoever took over after Georgiou left didn't change the way the Empire worked, so who knows. I mean, I think the mirror universe is dumb too - considering Star Trek has also established that parallel universes, which much less variation, exist as well. It was fine as a one off gimmick, but it then became its own inconsistent thing as people tried to add to it.
As for Lorca and Sisko, I guess I didn't get any indication that Lorca was a good person or that he necessary cared about any people. I guess the moment when he uses to spore drive to save the Federation colony from the Klingon attack was meant to be his hero moment? But we then learn all of that was just a long game to get back to the Mirror Universe so who knows what the motives were.
Watching that gif again just makes me realise how gorgeous the design of the Enterprise is compared to the Discovery.
What I love is that, ignoring the TOS design for a bit, this really does look like a true pre-refit Enterprise. The general structure - particularly the secondary hull - is there, with it feeling more like particular parts of the ship - nacelles, deflector array, etc - got overhauls, where previously it might as well have been a whole new vessel.
A piece of shit flying through space is a more gorgeous design than Discovery's overall design
Jeez, since Discovery was much more of a disappointment for me, I've been rewatching a good amount of Voyager episodes for the last couple days. I miss actual good Trek and not fricking Star Wars (ignore avatar). Like, how many actual real Trek episodes were there in this entire season? I'm talking an episode that actually explores some ethical issue or tough moral dilemma? Two or three at best? Why can't I get shit like the Voyager episode I just watched where they meet a group of aliens that have eliminated crime by outlawing and eliminating all violent thoughts? Something where you feel like an actual explorer encountering strange new worlds with unique cultures presenting you with interesting philosophical questions? Is it wrong to police thought? Are violent thoughts necessary? That's actually interesting stuff. You know what isn't interesting? Whether Ash and Michael will hook up, whether the Federation will lose the war we know they will not lose, whether the evil Lorca will be defeated who has no interesting view points beyond being evil.
Keep your Star Wars out of my Star Trek. I may be a 100% Star Wars shill, but I'm not such a shill that I want every show to be Star Wars.
Keep your Star Wars out of my Star Trek. I may be a 100% Star Wars shill, but I'm not such a shill that I want every show to be Star Wars.
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The thing about that, BossAttack, is you have to sift through a lot of mediocrity (or downright awful) episodes to get to the good ones, especially with voyager.
I mean, while i'd Love the slow burn again I am not entirely convinced the mass market are that patient.
I mean, while i'd Love the slow burn again I am not entirely convinced the mass market are that patient.
First Lesbian kiss on Trek was evil mirror characters, so...