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Stadia has officially gone 40 days without a new game announcement/release, feature update, or real community update. It has been out for 69 days.
- Thread starter Theorry
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And reading between the lines because they are probably not wrong here; publishers don't want to go out of their way to associate their games with Stadia.
Just want to give an update on my earlier post; I tried stadia again at home, this time with nobody else using the internet at the same time, and it worked amazingly well. Played more Destiny, Tomb Raider, and Thumper, and everything was perfectly smooth. Looks like this might be my platform of choice for Cyberpunk. Played over 5Ghz wifi on a pixelbook.
I mean I'm not a stadia fan but even I didn't expect them to follow up a "we'll have 120 games locked for 2020" with a complete list of previously unannounced third party titles and reveals that are probably already planned for events and conventions during the year. The claim they should announce their entire planned portfolio for 2020 in detail seems a bit over the top, no?
Yeah, it'd be weird if anyone was asking them to do that, which nobody is.
I mean a lot of console launches for first time companies have been rough. The Sega Master system didn't do so hot, and they had to wait for the next gen to really take off. Philips bombed, as did Apple, and then 3DO (Even though 3DO at least gave it a real try). Microsoft lost 4 Billion dollars over the course of the first gen Xbox, but never showed signs of giving up and ended with a library of over 1000 games over 4 years. Google should have a plan for really pushing this for a few years. If they really are "in shock" then they were in over their heads from day one.
Yeah, they should have led with that. Or at least just called this an alpha or beta period and not charged people for using the service yet......
This is true, but they aught to at least announce some of them. Here is what XCloud said just a couple days ago about their upcoming games:
" The first part of the expanded public test is the addition of more than 50 titles to the Project xCloud preview. The list of new games includes first-party games such as Crackdown 3, Halo Wars 2, Ori and the Blind Forest, and State of Decay 2, as well as third-party games Devil May Cry 5, Tekken 7, Madden NFL 20, Hitman, Ark: Survival Evolved, and Borderlands: The Handsome Collection. "
It doesn't give us a list of all 50 games, but we have a taste. And this is for a product that is still free and in preview.
This was by far their biggest f*ck up (was it a Phil Harrison initiative?). You can even still charge by saying a specific Chromecast with controller is needed and it would probably still have sold the same. Changing the word beta to "early access" was stupid.
True, and a completely valid point. It just sounded way more demanding a few pages back.
Keep in mind that, at least before the delay, Cyberpunk was planned to arrive on Stadia later in the year, after the console/PC releases had already happened. Maybe that's changed now with the delay but it could still be a late release for Stadia.
I imagine Stadia is their lowest priority with all of the issues they seem to be having with performance on consoles (or has that been debunked?). The last video deflated my hype a lot so I might still hold out instead of getting it on my PS4 depending on what I am playing at the time
If it is still a flop after it actually launches, aka free tier
I think the fact they didn;t start buying studios until AFTER it launched speaks volumes.
For fun I tried to Google any comments or articles with him in the last month as aside from an ERA thread being the first entry not a single Phil Harrison link was for him.
Still doing theLord'sKaz' work
I've never quite understood this one. Is it some tenuous similarity in how the names sound depending on how you pronounce them? Is it the startup sound? Did some staff/developers of OUYA find their way to Google?
Because the 2 products almost couldn't be more different (heck, Stadia isn't even a product, its a service).
Let me guess, Its just the internet being the internet isn't it?
- Sega Master system was up against the NES, which was an entirely different situation then Stadia. Nobody is keeping games off Stadia.
-Apple/Phillips/3DO all bombed and are irrelevant or left the industry.
- Microsoft lost a lot of money on Xbox, while pushing their console HARD. Exclusives, the most powerful hardware, and even asking for third parties to do extra content for the Xbox version. The difference is effort between Microsoft launching Xbox and Google launching Stadia is enormous. Microsoft was hungry, Google doesn't seem to care.
Stadia by comparison has face planted right out of the gate, and is already irrelevant. While they're half heartedly fumbling to get up Microsoft and Nvidia are ready to keep them down for good, and I'm sure Sony will be joining in. Does anybody outside of Stadia buyers believe in this thing? Nobody cares about Stadia. It's a dead end.
Both are bad ideas that were badly executed that everyone hates and that flopped.
They said the same thing about caps and isps. When presented with an issue it is always up to someone else to solve
OUYA was a failed game console.
Stadia appears to be a failed game service.
The comparisons are obvious unless you're being disingenuous.
This seems like an irrelevant distinction in 2020. There's hardly an electric device you can buy that is usable without being tied to some kind of service, and this is quite deliberate. This was also true for the Ouya
Well that's......... boring.
So not only is the internet full of hate-filled people desperate for 'thing I don't like' to fail, its unoriginal while doing it.
I expected better. I really did. Oh well.
I beg to differ.
I mean, you cant browse any Stadia thread here without people saying "But what if my internet goes down!" all the sodding time.
If it was an irrelevant distinction then people wouldn't care that one is a streaming-only service and the other is a physical box*.
But they clearly do. So its not.
*Edit: just want to clarify that the 'physical box's' I'm referring to here are PS4/XBOX/PC.
As my previous posts related to OUYA people might think I'm still talking about that. I'm not.
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Uh no. Phil Harrison is in charge of Stadia. Jade Raymond only heads up their first party studio and her joining Google was only announced in March of last year (which means having any first party content for launch was unrealistic).
I mean personally I don't think comparisons to the Ouya are useful, but I can understand why they are made. If you're arguing that two things can't be compared because they aren't exactly the same then good luck navigating reality I guess
As gaming enthusiasts, the Stadia venom in this forum is so bizarre to me. I think the service is actually pretty damn nice. I would like nothing more than to see it do well. Does it have some work to do as far as features go and game catalog? Sure, but for a system that basically just came out, I have a solid amount of games to play and the best version of Destiny 2 outside of PC. I'm happy, and it looks like I now have a lot to look forward to in 2020.
As for the streaming, issues are damn near nonexistent. In fact, most of the time you'd be hard pressed to tell games are streaming at all!. That's pretty damn impressive if you ask me.
It would be nice to come to Stadia threads and have a dialog with people who enjoy the service as well, like what's coming down the pipe. New announcemeants, service upgrades etc.. instead of seeing it devolve into a dumping ground for those who just want to shit on Google.
As for the streaming, issues are damn near nonexistent. In fact, most of the time you'd be hard pressed to tell games are streaming at all!. That's pretty damn impressive if you ask me.
It would be nice to come to Stadia threads and have a dialog with people who enjoy the service as well, like what's coming down the pipe. New announcemeants, service upgrades etc.. instead of seeing it devolve into a dumping ground for those who just want to shit on Google.
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You could have just come right out and said that anyone that criticizes Stadia is "hate-filled and desperate" instead of wasting our time trying to be cute.
Would you compare Netflix to a Blu-Ray player and say the distinction is irrelevant?
It's just odd.. everything about a service launch is different from a physical product launch not to mention the differences from a consumer perspective. I can buy an Xbox or Playstation or Switch and not really use their services for instance; in fact I don't currently have Nintendo Online but it's the console I've used the most in the last few months.
We have other services we can DIRECTLY compare Stadia too.. OnLive, Geforce Now, PSNow.. Xcloud.. Shadow. None of these services has launched to massive immediate user bases, half of them haven't even launched, some have been in beta for years.
Because this is a tech that will take years and years and years to actually come to full fruition, if it ever does. It can change behind the scenes without anyone buying anything, it's costs are based on how many servers they bother to install, they don't have to worry about producing physical products that piss off retailers if they don't sell, etc.
A service is not dead if it doesn't immediately catch on unless the service is literally losing tons of money per customer. We have no clue of the financials behind the scenes of Stadia. And if it WAS designed to lose money at the start.. well.. not having that many customers isn't really a bad thing.
There is one comparison though; because Stadia is a distinct platform without users you'll need to do something to get devs to actually support it.. and without games the service will.. not attract users. In that way it is a bit like a console; unlike PSNow and XCloud and even nVidia's Geforce now that are based on established platforms where for the most part the games are already written. THAT I do think is a fair comparison.. but Google can solve that.. they can money hat, just like a new console trying to get off the ground (think Xbox in it's early days.)
It's still not the SAME as a hardware platform that would lose retailers and harm those relationships and have trouble re-building from a failed launch because they don't have the same control a backend software platform does.
Fair enough. I actually agree with you on both counts.
I think I must have just spent too much time in the various VR threads here, where the phrase "YOU JUST CANT COMPARE THEM! THEY ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT!" gets thrown around a lot, for various reasons.
(If you aren't familiar with those threads...... well..... lucky you).
The OT is so far the only safe place for actual discussion. One thread is better than none I guess lol
I have a mate who has it and loves it, also says it's the future. Also has a 1GBps connexion.
Tech is great, would drop consoles in an instant if the libraries were the same.
Google on the other hand is beyond terrible at everything else for the product. I want to hope the radio silence is for a big announcement, but every minor thing we hear from them leads us to believe it is not the case.
But realistically, is it Google's problem to solve everyone's ISP and data cap issues? They are doing what they can on their end to make the best streaming service they can that works for the widest range of audience they can. They even have different performance settings for people who have reduced bandwidth. For a streaming service, what can they do beyond that? Go strong arm all of the ISP's into raising their data caps?
It's the same thing with the video game announcements. If the majority of 120 of these games coming to Stadia this year are multiplatform games, then how is it Google's responsibility to announce/reveal those games? Sure they could be making deals with the publishers to get the exclusive reveal, and perhaps they are, but it's not solely their responsibility to choose when these games get announced.
At this point are we sure they are making deals to get content period? 40 days is a long as time.
They announced 120 games coming to the platform in 2020. 10 of those are either exclusive or will be released on Stadia first and will be out in the first half of the year. So they are definitely working on content deals.
They announced a number, but no specific titles among that number. We also don't know specifically when the exclusivity agreements were committed to.
It's entirely possible that the 120 could be substantially overestimated.
It hasn't really launched yet, do you really think they are just scrapping all of the money, time and research that was put into this because of a poor launch 3 months in?