Was Topher Grace the only major villain not to come back, or am I forgetting someone?
Rhino, ASM2's Goblin and SM3's Gobiln I guess?
Was Topher Grace the only major villain not to come back, or am I forgetting someone?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I don't think showing the GED was implying that he needed to study per se, but what was more of a narrative shorthand for the audience that Peter Parker is a ghost now?
Nah, the Homecoming/Civil War suit had the back spider perfectly.
Yet another reason why it's one of the best.
That's something that caught my attention, and partly why I thought the front spider might be inspired by Tobey, with the back spider maybe inspired by Andrew, but the photos are not clear enough to tell either way.
It's honestly weird because in previous MCU suits he did have something similar to the "fat spider" the Romita Sr suit has.
I think this film is going to fall further and further down the list of Marvel films once people get over all the awesome Spiderman film history it brings.
I think this film is going to fall further and further down the list of Marvel films once people get over all the awesome Spiderman film history it brings.
I need to know what's next and see him in a better place. Can't stop thinking about it. Which is crazy because this isn't real but like damn
I've read somewhere that Happy is the one who hire Matt to defend Peter. Also, Matt didn't say he's not willing to defend Happy. He just said Happy need a really good lawyer, and later said that he is a really good lawyer.I really enjoyed Matt Murdoch being in this, but there was no explanation as to how he was Peter's lawyer, or why he was representing Peter but not willing to help Happy the same way.
Seemed kinda shoehorned into the movie for no real reason other than to say look it's the Daredevil guy for no purpose. Maybe some of his scene was cut?
would have liked a "pizza time" from tobey's Peter Parker, but "my back" will have to suffice.
And with that we can talk about how this film just fixes everything I found wrong with the past MCU iterations of the character. It's as if the writers personally went through my complaints and just started checking them off one by one. Oh, MCU Peter never has any stakes and never has to face any consequences for his actions, never has to suffer for his choices? FIXED. MCU Peter has flimsy connections with his villains and doesn't seem to care about them at all? SOLVED. Ned and MJ pretty much have nothing to do and we're often spinning our wheels to come up with some bullshit for them to do? Breh, how about we make them part of the whole damn mission? MCU Spidey just doesn't have any emotional weight, no character depth? Buddy, you might get a bit teary eyed in this film. Aunt May is just eye-candy and serves no actual character purpose? Hey yo, here's a tissue box.
It's astonishing. Peter finally feels like Spider-Man and not Stark's errand boy. He creates problems solely on his own, not Stark. And he has to learn how to deal with them on his own, with the help of some friends; he has to learn to grow and learn how to lose and keep going. The ending was bittersweet, but that's exactly what the film needed and I'm excited where they take this Peter from here.
There should've been a "How'd that get in there" when Toby was stabbed.
Also, he probably should've died, that was a really weird and non-consequence moment in there.
I know it doesn't matter at all, but them changing the fates of those villains should have some big effects on their own universes. Like, Norman being alive should mean that Harry doesn't go insane and try and kill Tobey Peter, right? And Conners not dying means that Dennis Leary Cop doesn't die so Gwen possibly doesn't end up dead.
The themes it brings with it will stand the test of time better than the other two MCU Spidey movies.I think this film is going to fall further and further down the list of Marvel films once people get over all the awesome Spiderman film history it brings.
I assume some of them will just branch off into alternate universes now. The Norman we saw in SM1 still dies a villain. But now, thanks to the three Spider-Men, in another life he gets a second chance to live differently.I know it doesn't matter at all, but them changing the fates of those villains should have some big effects on their own universes. Like, Norman being alive should mean that Harry doesn't go insane and try and kill Tobey Peter, right? And Conners not dying means that Dennis Leary Cop doesn't die so Gwen possibly doesn't end up dead.
I know it doesn't matter at all, but them changing the fates of those villains should have some big effects on their own universes. Like, Norman being alive should mean that Harry doesn't go insane and try and kill Tobey Peter, right? And Conners not dying means that Dennis Leary Cop doesn't die so Gwen possibly doesn't end up dead.
Nah.
It has a depth sorely lacking in many MCU films.
I hope so, if only because I want some great team up scene in like 10 years when all the Spider Man and some of the iconic (former) villains join forces to face some big bad. Unreasonable levels of fan service but it'd be great :)I know it doesn't matter at all, but them changing the fates of those villains should have some big effects on their own universes. Like, Norman being alive should mean that Harry doesn't go insane and try and kill Tobey Peter, right? And Conners not dying means that Dennis Leary Cop doesn't die so Gwen possibly doesn't end up dead.
Though iirc Conners never dies in ASM1 either, at the very end he's in jail where he gets visited by the mystery man who's setting up the never-made Sinister Six movie.
I know it doesn't matter at all, but them changing the fates of those villains should have some big effects on their own universes. Like, Norman being alive should mean that Harry doesn't go insane and try and kill Tobey Peter, right? And Conners not dying means that Dennis Leary Cop doesn't die so Gwen possibly doesn't end up dead.
Nah.
It has a depth sorely lacking in many MCU films.
Really? What depth does this movie have over most other MCU films? Peter getting a character arc isn't exactly a novel revelation.
Aside from the return of old beloved characters, this whole movie is a standard run of the mill MCU flick. The whole multiverse concept isn't handled half as good as Spider-Verse did it. Jon Watts is probably the most boring director in the MCU next to Peyton Reed, and that's saying something. Both Raimi and Marc Webb brought something behind the camera, Watts is just following the MCU checklist that he's probably given on every one of these movies.
Black Panther is still the high point of the MCU, and Endgame handled fanservice better than this movie does.
Just cause you're a world class chemist and engineer doesn't mean you're not shit at English class.So, are you gonna go out there looking like a cool youth pastor or...?
I forgot the actual line, but that was funny.
I get why they did it, but the thought of him studying for his GED is weird in hindsight, lol.
He's a literal genius.
I meant that's why the writers of the animated series even thought of it. But fair point.I am very confident in saying more of the Spider-Man fanbase was exposed to the animated series, where Peter was in a very active love triangle with Mary Jane Watson and Felicia Hardy, than the 90s what-if comic that I, a massive comic book nerd, can't think of off the dome.
Just cause you're a world class chemist and engineer doesn't mean you're not shit at English class.
I'll post this for the people who just found this post and are just responding to say "Nah, I just saw it."
I'm not saying it isn't deep, or even that I didn't enjoy it. I'm saying that the film's opening minutes are super thrilling, reminding you that you're watching a Spiderman movie. Then it goes right into the super light-hearted, "Gosh this grown up stuff is super messed up." tone that the "Home' series does. People can't get into one of the best colleges and their lives are ruined? Umm...okay? Then the botched spell, and I'm not *trying* to be nitpicky feels like a problem that shouldn't be. There are so many reasons for this not to have happened. But it did, okay, I'm down. It's in the trailers. Let's bring on the fun. But then it feels like you're being firehosed with 8,000 jokes and references so wow, yeah, there's everything and I'm thoroughly entertained but the characters throughout this whole thing seem like they're struggling to explain and justify and rationalize why they should be working to understand any of it. I especially almost laughed audibly when Norman Osborne is this guy who needs to be saved because Peter Parker is the first person in the history of mankind to change the fate of someone from another universe. Then the film starts going rather slowly as everyone is on-board with the whole savior plot until the big twist and Aunt May dies. From there, you instantly know you're about to get the other Spideys. Even if you don't know, you know. From there it's just all the stuff you wanted to have the three of them say and do with each other. But what irks me is the film ties together clever references to its own plot rather than story. I don't know if it's possible to do a massive story like this better, but I guess if I had to hazard a try at it, I'd say...two movies?
I know it doesn't matter at all, but them changing the fates of those villains should have some big effects on their own universes. Like, Norman being alive should mean that Harry doesn't go insane and try and kill Tobey Peter, right? And Conners not dying means that Dennis Leary Cop doesn't die so Gwen possibly doesn't end up dead.
It helps that as far as we know, Watts was on the same page as Marvel and Sony about what they were trying to pull off and they fully supported him, based on what we know about TASM2 and SM3 both Raimi and Webb were being jerked around and coerced into story material and plot beats by the Sony executive team they didn't believe in for their visions of their films.Watts is spinning a lot of plates and doesn't drop any of them. Compared to SM3 and ASM2, which have a lot less going on than this movie, but feel way more bloated and dissemble because their directors just can't pull it all together.
Granted, there's more to this than just Watts, but I think it is a testament to his direction that he succeeds here where his two predecessors fell way short.
So they totally buffed Goblin for this, because goddamn he could probably go one on one with Thanos.
Betty Brant said the words because as established in the first movie their school mascot is the Tigers.Betsy Brandt already said the words. I don't see Zendaya's MJ saying them anyway.
I can't believe they had Tom Hardy's Venom just
Oh definitely. I'm completely joking. It was just to show us that he dropped out of HS.
Second, I'm not sure why you're discounting Peter's whole thought process to save these villains. It's like the core of the film. I though everything tied together quite well and never forgot the point of the entire story as opposed to getting lost in nostalgia.
I thought it was good. Really wish we got more time with Peter 2 and 3.
Do we know if the villains survived after being sent back? Not sure if I missed it but it didn't seem like it was clearly answered at all.