• Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
  • We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.

Ether_Snake

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
11,306
arstechnica.com

Congress fires warning shot at NASA after SpaceX Moon lander award

"This bill, in the main, is not supposed to be about space."

Porks gonna porks

That's one way to incentivize the complete privatization of space exploration; make government involvement a tax-wasting-machine.

SpaceX will do everything it can to not rely on government contracts precisely because of this. Meanwhile, other companies will just double down on sucking up to the government and will eventually just fall so far behind they'll be done for. Which means less competition for SpaceX.
 

androvsky

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,519
Congress is in danger of reenacting the cartoon intro to Moon Zero 2, where after the astronauts are done fighting over planting flags on the moon they walk over to the giant moon hotel and casino and check in.
 

antonz

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,309
So this one won't land? I guess because they have nowhere to land it. Would Starship ever land back on Earth anyway after making it to orbit?
Starship will land on Earth at usual landing pads when they are comfortable with the technology. To land back at Boca Chica or Florida would require them to reenter over the United States before landing. So it would be an unproven rocket moving at like 20,000 MPH over the USA that could potentially explode and spread shrapnel over hundreds of miles.

The first falcon 9s were soft landings in water etc. Once they know they have a ship that can handle orbit and reentry perfectly they will move to proper landings.
 

KidAAlbum

Member
Nov 18, 2017
3,179
So this one won't land? I guess because they have nowhere to land it. Would Starship ever land back on Earth anyway after making it to orbit?
They're also planning to have point to point travel with Starship after its super reliable. So in total I believe it's

Moon
Mars
Orbital Refuel
Point to Point Travel
Cargo

Maybe I'm missing one.
 

DBT85

Resident Thread Mechanic
Member
Oct 26, 2017
16,337
So this one won't land? I guess because they have nowhere to land it. Would Starship ever land back on Earth anyway after making it to orbit?
Everything they are doing with SN15 and the like is to sort out landing Starship from orbit. The issue is right now they don't have anywhere they can land an experimental craft that may or may not disintegrate on reentry. Once they are happy that the thermal protection system is working they can make further plans.
 

androvsky

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,519
Big fan of having someone scuttle between each letter to turn the lights on rather than having some sort of master switch :D
Lol, yeah.
"So where do you work?"
"At the SpaceX Starbase, where we build spaceships bound for Mars."
"Wow, what do you do there?"
"Run around turning on and off lights."
 

Deleted member 14568

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,910
www.theverge.com

NASA chief Bill Nelson talks rockets, Moon plans, and partnerships

The former senator’s new gig as NASA chief has been busy

Q. There are some folks in the space community who criticize the SLS program as being a kind of jobs program and that, despite the rocket's proven shuttle hardware, the cost and design of commercial rockets have evolved significantly since Congress initiated that dual course objective. Would you agree with that at all?

A. Remember, space is hard. And the SLS is getting ready to fly. The others that were the ones in the competition, none of those have flown. So you have to build step by step. So put it in context as you're evaluating that.

what a non answer lol also falcon heavy while not as ''capable'' was considered the competition back in the day and did fly...
 

androvsky

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,519
Meanwhile, back at the farm, looks like SN15's headed back to the production facility.


I think SpaceX is less interested in sub-orbital hops than they are getting ready for an orbital launch.

edit: or not? The road closure notices are odd.
 
Last edited:
OP
OP
Crispy75

Crispy75

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,058
Glorious shockwave as F9 went supersonic for that launch

youtu.be

Starlink Mission

SpaceX is targeting Wednesday, May 26 for the next Falcon 9 launch of 60 Starlink satellites from Space Launch Complex 40 (SLC-40) at Cape Canaveral Space Fo...

skip to T+1m (can't give an exact link as the stream is still live!)
 

androvsky

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,519
Ironic given Blue Origin's path to reusability is to literally start over with a new lander. It's tough balancing the fact that NASA originally would've awarded them the second bid if they had any sort of budget with the fact that Blue Origin's bid is almost as weak as their whining after SpaceX won.
 

fallout

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,233
It's worth noting that these kinds of challenges happen all the time with government contracts. This one just happens to be high profile. I'm not saying that doesn't make this one particularly dumb, but it's not unexpected.
 

Bregor

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,478
I think that the rest of the space industry has not adjusted to the reality of SpaceX yet. In a world where SpaceX did not exist and had not put in the HLS bid it did, the National Team bid would look impressive. The other companies keep saying they are doing great things, but can't see that they are starting to look like duds next to SpaceX.

(To be honest, they are still doing great things - space is hard. They just aren't when compared to SpaceX.)
 

Deleted member 14568

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,910
i don't get the beef.

If they did what they said they could, they could have perhaps had the award.

But, they didn't and haven't yet. Are they even close?
new glenn is supposed to debut in Q4 2022 but considering the date slipped 2 time now i don't really have hope for that to stand also blue fucked ULA with their be4 engine delay due to turbopump issues and still haven't delivered flight ready engine to them

It's worth noting that these kinds of challenges happen all the time with government contracts. This one just happens to be high profile. I'm not saying that doesn't make this one particularly dumb, but it's not unexpected.
of course everybody expected their complain to the GAO the main problem is that blue tried to bypass that by lobbying to congress directly which is what the current shitshow is about
 
Last edited:

fallout

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,233
of course everybody expected their complain to the GAO the main problem is that blue tried to bypass that by lobbying to congress directly which is what the current shitshow is about
Ah yeah, I neglected that side of it, but you're totally right. Although I do wonder how often this happens with military contracts and we just never hear about it. :|
 

KimiNewt

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,749


Axiom will fly their first four commercial missions on Dragon. Not too surprising seeing how Starliner doesn't really exist yet.

So that makes six confirmed commercial flights on Dragon?
If everything goes according to plan this is going to be a revolution even before Starship arrives on the scene. And then.. Sky's the limit?
 

bsigg

Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,573
87 landings of Falcon 9 first stage boosters. It's amazing how commonplace SpaceX has made first stage booster recovery.
 

eathdemon

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,690
it's pretty great and if the manifest hold for 2021 they're gonna smash the 26 launch record of last year with 40+ launch 🤯
and yet only now esa is considering reuability, and the ula isnt even worth talking about. in the end only china may challange them, and thats atleast a decade off and only for first stage.
 

Bregor

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,478
and yet only now esa is considering reuability, and the ula isnt even worth talking about. in the end only china may challange them, and thats atleast a decade off and only for first stage.

I think that ESA will get there also, Even if it is pretty late.

ULA will probably leave the launch business if they are pushed into third place. It's parent companies have bigger priorities, they were largely in the launch business on behalf of the US military. If the military gets two launch providers other than ULA, Boeing and Lockheed are likely to conclude that it isn't worth the development cost to catch up.