Some Black voters going all in on Biden after Debate

[KidAAlbum]

No. ACA passage proved as much. The right-wing spin machine would demonize it and the Republicans would dig their heels in until it's so watered down that some parts of it end up harming those at the edge. Ex: no public option, Medicaid expansion was optional and most red states did not expand putting a significant burden on those making minimum wage, and no regulations on pharmaceutical costs

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I don't know, it's kind of hard to spin making medicine cheaper. I can understand the medicare vs private insurance spin even though I see right through it, but the price of medicine being lower? Again, this hypothetical is all dependent on whether or not the president uses their platform to show how corrupt politicians are in regards to for example, lowering drug prices.

 

[Deleted member 6582]

I do find it weird how certain groups get into vote policing. It's not your vote, just because you want something or believe something doesn't mean others do, what democracy means isn't getting what you want, it's that everyone can cast a vote. It's also especially annoying when white people express emotion on behalf of minorities. Don't do that, if it's not about you, don't make it about you.

At the same time I don't for a second believe that Biden represents anyone's best shot. Best go full bore a pick a true progressive, the swing voters will fall in line, they just want to be on the cool team (and Trump is pretty uncool at this point). They want action, they want spectacle, and they definitely don't scrutinize policy. The worst you can do is run with a boring candidate.

 

[anamika]

Maybe there were black voters who went for both? Maybe black people aren't a monolith?

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Did not Bernie supposedly lose to Hillary in the primaries because he did not win the black vote?

 

[mugurumakensei]

If this is true why do they keep choosing centrists like Hillary over candidates like Bernie?

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1) Black people are not a monolith
2) he had no plans on how to actually get his legislation through
3) he did not campaign at all in the south (while its not as important during the general, it's super important in the primary) so it didn't seem like he cared about the plight of black Americans in the south
4) there's a concept of pragmatism. The truth is the US has almost always had incremental and slow reform. Even with the escalation in the 50-60/, you're still looking at 20 years to get something done. Any non-incremental/revolutionary change has mostly involved bloodshed.
5) real leftists tend to be uncompromising . This produces full-term lame ducks which improves nothing. It's stagnation for the hope people express their frustration at the proper actors.

 

[anamika]

1) Black people are not a monolith
2) he had no plans on how to actually get his legislation through
3) he did not campaign at all in the south (while its not as important during the general, it's super important in the primary) so it didn't seem like he cared about the plight of black Americans in the south
4) there's a concept of pragmatism. The truth is the US has almost always had incremental and slow reform. Even with the escalation in the 50-60/, you're still looking at 20 years to get something done. Any non-incremental/revolutionary change has mostly involved bloodshed.
5) real leftists tend to be uncompromising . This produces full-term lame ducks which improves nothing. It's stagnation for the hope people express their frustration at the proper actors.

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While all this is true you cannot make a statement that 'Black voters are often the ones pushing the hardest for the left' when they don't vote for the one candidate who is clearly left of center and touts policies that would clearly benefit the lower income and middle classes and instead chose the centrist, wall street fave just because she campaigned in the south.

You talk about real change being slow and leftists being uncompromising and that's why Bernie did not get the vote. Fine. That's their choice. But then let's not say things like Black voters are hard core leftists. From what I can see, they are not.

 

[mugurumakensei]

While all this is true you cannot make a statement that 'Black voters are often the ones pushing the hardest for the left' when they don't vote for the one candidate who is clearly left of center and touts policies that would clearly benefit the lower income and middle classes and instead chose the centrist, wall street fave just because she campaigned in the south.

You talk about real change being slow and leftists being uncompromising and that's why Bernie did not get the vote. Fine. That's their choice. But then let's not say things like Black voters are hard core leftists. From what I can see, they are not.

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Being committed to leftist goals is not the same as being a leftist is the first thing to separate. By being pragmatic, the US had until recently been pushed further and further left. Once an uncompromising leftist entered the field, we ended up regressing. Reality is by being an uncompromising leftist, you are being anti-leftist.

 

[Akainu]

Let me guess. Obama VP?

 

[Aine]

Being committed to leftist goals is not the same as being a leftist is the first thing to separate. By being pragmatic, the US had until recently been pushed further and further left. Once an uncompromising leftist entered the field, we ended up regressing. Reality is by being an uncompromising leftist, you are being anti-leftist.

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And whenever a more hardcore leftist doesn't make it all the way in the polls, guess who's the first group brocialists blame?

 

[Slayven]

This is peak "better things aren't possible" shit. In the last two decades, playing it safe has gotten us Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, two presidents who kicked us in the teeth. We should dream.

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Sure if you want to remove all context and history from the black vote then yes you could say taht

 

[Mortemis]

This is the same shit you all pulled when it was a Sanders issue. You all simply can't get right. You. Can. Not. Blame. Us. For. Your. Short sighted-ness.

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Say it louder for the people in the back.

To those tryna start a narrative, just stop right now. You can't blame us for shit.

 

[Slayven]

While all this is true you cannot make a statement that 'Black voters are often the ones pushing the hardest for the left' when they don't vote for the one candidate who is clearly left of center and touts policies that would clearly benefit the lower income and middle classes and instead chose the centrist, wall street fave just because she campaigned in the south.

You talk about real change being slow and leftists being uncompromising and that's why Bernie did not get the vote. Fine. That's their choice. But then let's not say things like Black voters are hard core leftists. From what I can see, they are not.

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When you do that pivot thing to class, black people know you don't give a shit. Ironically it's in the same vein as when Trump does "lowest AA unemployment" spin

 

[Aine]

When you do that pivot thing to class, black people know you don't give a shit. Ironically it's in the same vein as when Trump does "lowest AA unemployment" spin

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People keep holding onto defeating class inequality as a magical cure-all for all forms of discrimination, so much that they forget about actually fighting for minorities.

 

[gcwy]

Very interesting article to show up out of nowhere, right after the debate where Harris put Biden in his place on race issues. The only thing I don't agree with Harris about is when she said Biden wasn't a racist.

 

[Lunchbox-]

Biden-Obama 2020?

 

[Shameless_Pineapple]

It's just evidence that twitter and other various internet communities are not real life. Obama is popular among black voters and Biden is his friend.

 

[Powdered Egg]

Trump has truly changed America's traditions for the worse. We usually wait until the morning after elections to disrespect Black voters.

 

[anamika]

Being committed to leftist goals is not the same as being a leftist is the first thing to separate. By being pragmatic, the US had until recently been pushed further and further left. Once an uncompromising leftist entered the field, we ended up regressing. Reality is by being an uncompromising leftist, you are being anti-leftist.

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But how would one accomplish 'leftist goals' by voting for a centrist and not the leftist? Why is Bernie an 'uncompromising leftist'? I would say that Bernie is not even a leftist by European, Asian or South American standards?

As you yourself say, change comes about only slowly, but one has to start somewhere. If black voters keep chosing the same Obama, Hillary, Biden with the same economic policies, how are they going to get change?

The policies Bernie is pushing seem to be aimed at trying to decrease wealth inequality - it does not address racial disparities currently. But it's a start. We have to start somewhere – start with wealth inequality among the lower and middle class and then start dealing with racial disparities among the lower income and middle class.

People like Hillary and Biden are not even trying to do this.

 

[Bad_Boy]

I hope biden doesnt win. Hes not left enough for me.

 

[mugurumakensei]

The policies Bernie is pushing seem to be aimed at trying to decrease wealth inequality - it does not address racial disparities currently. But it's a start. We have to start somewhere – start with wealth inequality among the lower and middle class and then start dealing with racial disparities among the lower income and middle class.

People like Hillary and Biden are not even trying to do this.

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There's a reason you can't touch wealth inequality without touch racial inequality. What's going to happen if you don't is you'll get programs that all people can technically qualify for but they'll come up with criteria that will exclude a large portion of black Americans that ends up also affecting some small number of other groups. Once that's done, you've increase racial inequality massively at the gain of some social welfare and minor overall gains to wealth inequality.

 

[Addleburg]

Hopefully this group of black voters can be swayed by the time it comes time to vote that there are far more favorable options. I'm black and I can understand wanting to defend Obama especially after all the dumb shit he had to deal with during his presidency. But 1) Obama - like any other president - made mistakes and deserved/deserves to be criticized for some of his failings and 2) Biden isn't Obama.

People are entitled to vote how they want of course, and align with the safe choice. I just don't think Biden is as much the safe choice as some people like to think he is.

 

[Seesaw15]

Following Biden campaign reminds me of the old College humor Chris Brown's publicist video.

 

[Baji Boxer]

That is Stan Greensburg reasoning. The black voter has always been the pragametic voter. After 4 years of trump and what they did to Hillary you too would see the only sure win is another white man

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Not sure I buy that. People think the old white guy with decades of Washington experience is a sure bet, but when's the last time someone like that won? Bush I vs. Dukakis? Candidates like Biden have lost pretty consistently, as far as I can tell. Governor Clinton beat longtime Washington insider Bush. Then he beat that relic Bob Dole. Bush II beat the more experienced Al Gore, then beat longtime Senator Kerry. Barak Obama beat McCain and Romney, then Donald Trump, as the outsider candidate, beat the much more experienced Clinton.

Not sure I see anything that makes Biden the "safe" choice, though that should work itself out more after the 20(!) candidate field has been pared down.