Flower is on Steam.Sigh of course it's Annapurna Games. I'm expecting literally everything they do to be exclusive to the Epic store.
...is every thread about games coming to EGS going to devolve into this? Christ.
I don't remember any other Storefront bars you from other option for 1 year long.... (excluding games made by 1st party)....is every thread about games coming to EGS going to devolve into this? Christ.
The game looks neat, very cool that it shares the same universe as HLD. That was one of my favorites games ever, and I'm really happy to jump back into that whole vibe. Can't tell much from this trailer, but it's almost guaranteed to be a day one purchase.
The closest analogue in the console space is the timed exclusivity on Rise of the Tomb Raider and I remember everyone being pretty annoyed at that too.Can someone link me to the Epic Game Storefront debate because I'm so lost on the hate (as in "I'm not buying it out of principle") for exclusive games on storefronts but not exclusive games on consoles...
Can someone link me to the Epic Game Storefront debate because I'm so lost on the hate (as in "I'm not buying it out of principle") for exclusive games on storefronts but not exclusive games on consoles...
Annapurna is just killing it with their games publishing arm. I'll definitely look into this on consoles.
Good Lord people need to get over this epic store thing. You're not fighting the good fight.
Solar Ash Kingdom is obviously not a "finished" game they have just bought up.
Maybe the devs who make the games know the realities of their licensing deals and financial pressures better than a bunch of us morons on the internet.
I guess I'll bite again. While you are welcome to call yourself a moron, I take offense to the insinuation that we shouldn't be calling out and boycotting blatant anti-consumer practices that will have negative consequences for gaming in the short and long term. As a consumer, being against the EGS has absolutely nothing to do with the developer. I can understand the financial reasoning behind the decision for the developer, but I can't support the damaging anti-consumer practices that Epic is using to gain a foothold.Good Lord people need to get over this epic store thing. You're not fighting the good fight.
Solar Ash Kingdom is obviously not a "finished" game they have just bought up.
Maybe the devs who make the games know the realities of their licensing deals and financial pressures better than a bunch of us morons on the internet.
So you would consider this to be a "first party" game from Epic?
None of us are "fighting the good fight". We're all just focusing on our best interests. Sometimes that doesn't align with what Epic Games is doing with their store. The Devs and Publishers have the right to fund themselves and release as they need and we have the right to choose our purchases.
Nothing more and nothing less.
You're post would be better received if there wasn't a whiff of "moral high ground" coming off of it.
I guess I'll bite again. While you are welcome to call yourself a moron, I take offense to the insinuation that we shouldn't be calling out and boycotting blatant anti-consumer practices that will have negative consequences for gaming in the short and long term. As a consumer, being against the EGS has absolutely nothing to do with the developer. I can understand the financial reasoning behind the decision for the developer, but I can't support the damaging anti-consumer practices that Epic is using to gain a foothold.
I'm not particularly fussed how my post is received, I don't expect to change anyone's mind. This has become one of those issues in gaming that should be a minor thing but has become a real crusade for some people.
No, it is obviously not a "first party" game but neither is it a nearly complete game that has just shifted over the a different store. That has certainly been something that has happened and is much more worthy of discussion. Such as happened with Metro.
There are people in this thread suggesting that is the only thing Epic are dong but that is not the case at all with this game. This game seems some way off and is by a very small team. The extra money could be a real boon. Maybe it will allow them extra development time. Or perhaps it is just a bunch of extra cash in their pockets. Who knows?
My problem is that the same arguments get parroted about repeatedly, with little real thought put into them. Often dropped unceremoniously into threads over and over again.
(I'm not calling you out here, just explaining why i'm so irritable.)
You may think that this will result in negative consequences, short and long term but I disagree.
I don't really want to get into the reeds with this but the whole idea that anyone could compete with Steam in any other than this is laughable. Steam is the only game in town and nobody is going to buy from a different store front just because it has a better friends list system or whatever else.
If an alternative to Steam arrives, that means that Devs have more choice where to put their games, make more money from them and it has little to no effect on buyer then I consider that a good thing.
I'm not saying you have to use the EGS, use whatever you want. I'm just so tired of it being made to seem like some epic crusade against some mighty enemy. I also hate the phrase anti-consumer but that's a whole 'nother thing.
I don't really want to get into the reeds with this but the whole idea that anyone could compete with Steam in any other than this is laughable. Steam is the only game in town and nobody is going to buy from a different store front just because it has a better friends list system or whatever else.
Yeah, amazing seeing a glimpse of their next game already. Art style looks stunning again. Definitely in again if it comes to console like HLD.fuck fuck fuck it looks so good
day one guaranteed, HLD was already fantastic
Yeah, the translation of the art style to 3D, at least that's what it looks like, looks incredibly well done.Oh man, this seems to be almost a translation of HLD art into 3D, maybe it is set in the same universe? Looking forward to this!
Can someone link me to the Epic Game Storefront debate because I'm so lost on the hate (as in "I'm not buying it out of principle") for exclusive games on storefronts but not exclusive games on consoles...
So the extra money could be put forth to further development costs, so quasi first party? Shadow publisher?
It's not Metro Exodus or Phoenix Point, or even the Division 2 issue. It isn't such a situation where I hold any ill will against the publisher, this isn't a bait and switch situation.
However, the Epic Games conduct in other areas regarding this new store front venture have turned me against the store since December. Strongly against. PC gaming is flush we games and many of us would gladly wait until its available on a platform we feel comfortable supporting.
EGS is going to come up in every thread that has a game coming to it. It is. Epic Games wanted to disrupt the PC games market and they've done that for sure. Their betting on deep pockets to outlast resistance. We'll see if that happens.
Steam has competitors, especially in regards to the store front. In no way is it "the only game in town". Do you have a lot of games on the PC/play games on the PC?
What is wrong with the phrase 'anti-consumer'. Is customer-hostile better?
Same. I KS HLD for PS4 and loved it.Looks cool - but im gonna need on console version.
Hope its in their plans as well.
This article went up on Eurogamer today (handily for me):
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...-games-store-exclusive-deal-for-phoenix-point
I point to this specific part:
'Gollop said he had approached Epic about the possibility of signing a deal, and the money received would significantly benefit the game.
"It allows to commit more to the launch without risk, and more to supporting the game immediately post launch," Gollop said.'
Obviously is not directly contributing to development but if developers are going to them then it must be a beneficial thing for them.
I agree that there it must be irritating if you pledged for a Steam key but it's not like there was somewhere else for the game to launch whenever this kickstarter went up. The market is now fundamentally different.
In regards to competitors, there are other storefronts, sure. They are nowhere near the scale of Steam however and many of them sell Steam keys. Steam is the de-facto launcher. It holds tremendous power and that is why so many developers show frustration with their opaque policies and limited communication.
The reason they can be so relaxed with the way they operate is lack of competition. They got to this position through their own hard work and smart moves at the right time but it is not good for developers, buyers or anyone else for one supplier to hold so much power.
As for anti-consumer, I feel like I could write an entire diatribe but for now:
Anyway, my overall point is vaguely that Epic have sure been aggressive in their strategy but I absolutely do no agree that it is bad for gaming, as has been claimed by some.
- It is over used to the point where it has lost any meaning it ever had.
- It adds to weird deification of "consumers" in gaming.
- It barely makes sense, why would someone who wants to sell you something try to restrict your ability to consume?
- It contributes to the all enveloping swirl of misinformation around the development process.
...is every thread about games coming to EGS going to devolve into this? Christ.
The game looks neat, very cool that it shares the same universe as HLD. That was one of my favorites games ever, and I'm really happy to jump back into that whole vibe. Can't tell much from this trailer, but it's almost guaranteed to be a day one purchase.
It's not so much that Steam is "established", it's that Steam offer a great many of user-friendly functions/services/features.That's a single game on a single launcher. Almost the opposite of my point.
My point was, if everything was available on Steam and Epic's game launcher, at this point, no one is preferring Epic. Why would they? Steam is so established there is no way to compete directly with them, everyone is already entrenched.
So the only way to create competition is to force it a little bit.
But that's not the case in the real world though. Doesn't all console makers "pay" for exclusivity?Let's imagine a hypothetical world where everyone has access to a PS4 and Xbox One. Let's say the PS4 has a ton of very popular features, and so gets a lot of games that the Xbox doesn't get, but the Xbox has a great backwards compatibility program, so you can play a ton of, oh let's call them good old games on that console. Not every game comes out on both, but neither console has ever paid for a third-party exclusive in their history, and you have access to both consoles anyway, so all's fair.
Now let's say Google release their new console, and you can order it for free. They only have two or three of the PS4's features, and don't show much interest in adding many more in the near future. No backwards compatibility. None of your friends own one, and some are region-blocked from even trying to get one. Owning the console also opens your Google account to an unusual amount of hacking attempts. And then, instead of working to improve their service, Google just pays to get a year's exclusivity on, say, Sekiro, and a bunch of interesting indie games. "We're giving the developers a better cut!" they say.
I don't think it'd go down well.
But that's not the case in the real world though. Doesn't all console makers "pay" for exclusivity?
Edit: Noticed Mods are giving people warnings, but is it fine to say I don't see what's so bad. I think the future is going to be Storefront "Wars" just like the Console "Wars"...
Also, this game doesn't fit some people's Narrative because the game was just announced, unlike others that turned to exclusivity after an announcement.