What kind of bloat did they add? MHW was my first entry so I have nothing to call back on.
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Soapbox: Why I Prefer Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate To World
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There are errors in the article- not going to deny that, but I am extremely uncomfortable with the way the thread has progressed which I was initially uncomfortable with based off of the OP and the opening 2 comments I saw before I posted my first comment.
I agree with Charamiwa above basically- I'd like to understand the point of the thread at this juncture.
Edit: maybe not above anymore lol.
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Yes, as I said, still a liar:
You're gonna have to show me a video of a player running with GS unsheathed in MHW to prove he isn't a liar... Your move.
What's wrong with calling out bullshit for being bullshit? Why should that make you uncomfortable?
So the thread's purpose is to make fun of a dumb "reader" article posted in Nintendolife.
Ok. "Ah ah".
Did my part. Bye.
Ok. "Ah ah".
Did my part. Bye.
Nothing, actually they basically cut a good deal of bloat. I guess he means AAA streamlined things.
The constant dialogue. Mandatory story progression to do online hunts (past MonHun games has online completely separate from single player story mode). Making the levels have a more open design lead to a lot of exploration padding which just extends how long it takes to do the same thing compared to MHGU. The size of the hub town (though nice and detailed) at first made it a pain for back to back hunts with everything being spread out, though I think they fixed that with an update.
MHW just seemed like a bigger time investment because everything had to be bigger and more in line with AAA games. I know it had to be done as the natural evolution of the series, but it made the game less snappy and less bite sized.
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Seeing the only Prison Architect switch review being available on MC coming from this fansite is annoying as I can't take that serious.
Yeah, it's basically a somewhat prominent fansite providing a platform for blatant misinformation about a game. It's not like it's super important or anything, or like tearing down a game is a crime, but it seems like a decent enough conversation piece to me.
The article is published by a credible name that has some sort of pull in the gaming industry. It has loads of false information. There is no problem calling it out.
Its not open world at all though. Even the zones within the world are extremely guided even if you compare them to an open world game from the 360 era. And it's not like the dialogue is that invasive. I found it quite fun and never felt that it stopped me. It gave the game personality. And those moments are sparse compared to the breadth of gamey content you get.
That's not how accusations work... You're a thief! You have to provide a video of you not stealing.
Open world was be bad term to use, more open compared to the separate loading zones. I just still prefer the separate zones because it cuts down on travel and makes things quicker. I don't "hate" the new way, but every time I play a new game in the series I'm going to wish all this running around could've been prevented and they stuck with separate zones.
They don't and it's a reader article, no need to assume stuff.
What?!?
I may have missed something but he's posting news so it's not like he's the one making reviews and else.
Sorry don't know Nintendolife but I've read the article, then the comments here... some said he's a contributor and I may have jumped to conclusions too soon. Maybe it's more on Nintendolife then. Still I don't think that pointing out others is something fun and sane to do. There's no debate here... article is baseless. You have plenty reasons to prefer one version vs. the other but arguments used here are just crazy (and false).
Ok then. Sorry. I'm going to look at the reviews and other articles he's made because I want to see this list.
btw out of 149 articles, the guy made 2 reviews, 2 "soapbox", 1 feature and 144 guides.
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The QoL additions and overall gameplay evolution in MHW compared to the older style games is much to good to ever want to go back to the old style. Sorry, but I'm done with those archaic MonHun's and hope the next mainline one follows in World's footsteps.
Hmm, I guess I just don't understand because I have no history with the series. Every time I see someone mention "separate zones" that's exactly what I feel like MHW has. Even the zones are broken up into zones, they just don't have loading screens.
It's not a reader article.
The dude was either unaware of how a basic mechanic worked in a game he supposedly played (and reviewed, apparently) or he was intentionally lying about it. We have reason to believe he's either incompetent or disingenuous. It's not the same thing as proving a negative.
Which is part of the problem. They replaced fast load screens that took you straight to the next fight arena and you're right back in the action with long linear hallways and a wild goose chase which gives too much downtime in the fight. The ratio between running and fighting is off in MHW compared to past games. It's my least favorite thing about MHW.
Correct, still it doesn't represent NintendoLife and my point wasn't that they aren't that biased....
Personally, the zones have only really been a problem in Ancient Forest and certain parts of Coral Highlands. Even then, it's more an issue of layering as the map can get really difficult to read. I can't say I have a strong opinion either way. In the old style it was annoying as heck when you get bumped out of a zone or leave and can't tell if the monster will follow you (unless you tagged them of course). In the new one, it can be a pain to follow monsters into new areas -- especially when they pull an Odogaron in Rotten Vale and warp halfway across the map.
So is it a reader article or not? Can I make a new account right this instance and write 1000 words article?
Monsters transitions to other areas, are slower because they have to navigate through the "tunnels" connecting each area. Unlike you "teletransporting" to the separate zone in older MH.
Other than that, almost anything else World takes much less time, with a whole parade of QoL improvements.
So interesting to see the different perspectives. I loved that wild goose chase in World lol. It sounds lame but it did give me a lot of "emergent" moments during the hunts. The game just felt so alive to me.
Okay so it took less time. I see that long transition as part of the fun though, personally. Especially because there's lots of ways to mitigate it.
It was written by their guides editor, so someone on their payroll I assume.
No it's not but the guy is totally new and out of 149 articles, the guy made 2 reviews, 2 "soapbox", 1 feature and 144 guides.
I get the content argument but compared to world GU is the definition of downtime. I dunno how world having no loading zones makes it a time waster compared to GU which literally sets you out on forced missions where you do nothing but run around and harvest random shit.
AAA bloat? the heck?
If they'd at least said 'Guild Style' allows you to play weapons like they've played in the past, there would be an argument to speak of.
Bias is expected and even fine to be honest, and anyone who prefers MHGU or MHW doesn't really need to justify it. The silly issue here is that the author is straight up bullshitting on a number of points. I mean, you'd expect some due diligence. The fact that he has played MHW makes it even weirder.
Seriously, lol. I love the hunter arts, but ain't nothing risk-reward about passively filling up a bar and then popping a flashy super move.
On top of that, a bunch of the MHW "combo attacks", like the Spirit Helmbreaker jump for LS or the red-color mid-air spinning attack from the Insect Glaive, are clearly based off what they did with the aerial-style in MHGen.
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The joke is that he can't provide such video because you can't do that in MHW. The writer of article was lying about being able to do that.
You guys really need to at least read the OP if you're participating with a "gotcha" comment!
What even is that article???
Honestly my biggest beefs are that World has less visual variety in armor and weapons, that the hub is far too big, the gathering hub isn't forced when setting up multiplayer quests, and the lack of monsters and variety of them. All that stuff Gen does better, as well as 4. Other than that World is what MH needs to be. All those QoL changes were a good choice. And they pretty much cut most gathering quests that you would expect to have in older titles. Gathering is fantastic in World. Can't wait for G rank and will play GU in the meantime.
Honestly my biggest beefs are that World has less visual variety in armor and weapons, that the hub is far too big, the gathering hub isn't forced when setting up multiplayer quests, and the lack of monsters and variety of them. All that stuff Gen does better, as well as 4. Other than that World is what MH needs to be. All those QoL changes were a good choice. And they pretty much cut most gathering quests that you would expect to have in older titles. Gathering is fantastic in World. Can't wait for G rank and will play GU in the meantime.
Why do you keep posting this? It looks like damage control.
It's not his opinion that's the problem. It's the bad information he uses to inform it. It calls his credibility into question when he gets mechanics wrong, either willfully or through ignorance, seeing as he's the guides editor. This is my first exposure to his work and it's peppered with falsehoods. If I see his name attached to another piece I now have to double check to make sure what I'm reading is accurate. Or just completely skip it and go elsewhere.
They can claim that the article doesn't reflect the opinions of NintendoLife but it does rlshine a light on the people that write for them. So, in a way, a misinformed opinion does reflect poorly on the publication.
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Lmao, the first comment in the comments section makes a more solid case for GU than the whole article:
Well I don't own MHW and only played it at a friend's house (and not with a GS). So I actually do not know if GS moves faster in World or not >_>;
To actually prove that he's a liar, I need a video of a side to side comparison of GS walking slow in both games >_>;
Two things the older titles has that World doesn't is the ability to have the option to play online and pausing while playing offline
Man, I just couldn't disagree with the article even more. MHGU is full of bells and whistles with all the extra experimental fluff they added. World condensed a lot of said content into something more cohesive and refined.
Scoutflies are just a straight upgrade from the old system. There's nothing enjoyable about spending 10 minutes blindly looking for a monster who somehow leaves the area before you enter it. There's nothing smart about the old system, because there aren't even any tracks to follow. It all boils down to which 3-4 zones a monster normally goes in, or plain luck on your first time. Paintball system is nothing more than the game checking if you can count 5-6 minutes.
"Oh, but Acquila, you can wave at balloons / use Psychoserum". Sure, but you've just invalidated the "fun" to be had searching for monsters. It's the same thing as not bringing hot/cool drinks, and not bringing enough whetstones. They serve no purpose but to catch players offguard and force them to restart a quest which becomes unbeatable. It's not skill; it's just a gotcha from failing to follow a checklist this one time.
People also kept comparing World to other popular Western releases. Problem is that MHF1, MHFU, MH3U, MH4U are either G Rank editions, or enhanced ports. MHG is best described as a "Greatest Hits" edition of the entire series. It's odd that no one really compares the amount of content of World to Tri. Once World's own G Rank expansion rolls around, this will likely become a moot point.
Scoutflies are just a straight upgrade from the old system. There's nothing enjoyable about spending 10 minutes blindly looking for a monster who somehow leaves the area before you enter it. There's nothing smart about the old system, because there aren't even any tracks to follow. It all boils down to which 3-4 zones a monster normally goes in, or plain luck on your first time. Paintball system is nothing more than the game checking if you can count 5-6 minutes.
"Oh, but Acquila, you can wave at balloons / use Psychoserum". Sure, but you've just invalidated the "fun" to be had searching for monsters. It's the same thing as not bringing hot/cool drinks, and not bringing enough whetstones. They serve no purpose but to catch players offguard and force them to restart a quest which becomes unbeatable. It's not skill; it's just a gotcha from failing to follow a checklist this one time.
People also kept comparing World to other popular Western releases. Problem is that MHF1, MHFU, MH3U, MH4U are either G Rank editions, or enhanced ports. MHG is best described as a "Greatest Hits" edition of the entire series. It's odd that no one really compares the amount of content of World to Tri. Once World's own G Rank expansion rolls around, this will likely become a moot point.
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I was only mildly surprised, thought it would make for a good laugh. I'm way more surprised by those defending someone lying in a featured article!