So what will come out first: Final Fantasy VII Remake Part 2 or Final Fantasy XVI?

[Gay Bowser]

I think XVI is closer along than we think and Square Enix has learned its lesson not to announce such projects years in advance. Like, I could legit see a 2020 announcement and 2021 release, but I'm an optimist.

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I agree.

This idea that FFXVI has to be many years away doesn't make any sense to me. Even with the crisis of having to redevelop FFXIV (while still struggling with HD development, while still developing an engine), Square Enix has never gone more than about six years between releasing new numbered Final Fantasy installments. I don't see the development of the FFVII remake by another team to be nearly as damaging as the company-wide crisis that was salvaging FFXIV.

Square Enix has to release games. They have FFVII and Avengers in their 2020-2021 fiscal year now. They have to have something planned for their 2021-2022 fiscal year. Maybe FFVII-2 will sneak in just under the wire and be a March 2022 release, but that seems risky to rely on. It doesn't seem that a Dragon Quest or Kingdom Hearts will be ready that soon. On the other hand, we know they've had a team working on a new FF for some time.

Also, Square Enix has a good relationship with Sony, and they like to reveal new Final Fantasy games alongside the reveal of a new PlayStation. This works for both parties: Sony gets a big reveal and Square Enix gets people to start buying the new PlayStation early, so that the install base is there when they do release their new game. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there's a planned FFXVI reveal at the big PS5 blow-out.

Keep in mind that the original plan was for Square Enix to have no major unreleased projects by the time E3 came around in June. The Avengers delay pushes it past that, but they'll still have basically a clear slate as far as being ready to announce their new projects.

I remember people still thinking FFVII was years and years away until they announced the spring 2020 release last year, too.

 

[newmoneytrash]

That's the problem, Disc 1 is like 75% of all locations and enemies, half the vehicles and all playable characters. It's hard to do 3 parts and balance it all, unless you're starting cutting it between continents or before getting a new vehicle.

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i think the structure of the story is going to be changed a lot more than we currently think

 

[Zen]

i think the structure of the story is going to be changed a lot more than we currently think

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Is Midgar gonna be a hallway

 

[Spehornoob]

I think XVI is coming before VII-R Part two if it is indeed Yoshi-P's game (does anyone have any links that speculate on that?).

My guess is that the goal is to get VII-R episodes out every two to two and a half years, with other games filling in the other years. Assuming that Yoshi-P's studio has been working on XVI for a few years as some have speculated, it being released in 2021 isn't too nuts.

Between the KH3 and FFVII-R rereveals, Square Enix seems to have largely started to only ramp up marketing for games about a year before they release. It wouldn't surprise me if they take that tactic with new AAA announcements moving forward. It would be smarter than announcing a game five years out like they originally did with KH3 and VII-R.

 

[The Praiseworthy]

FFVII-2 won't be here for at less three more years.. sometime in 2023.

FFXVI has been underdevelopment longer, it's very reasonable to think of Q4 2022.

 

[Mathieran]

I don't think the next installments of FF7 will take terribly long. I'm gonna guess 3 years each. The groundwork is there. It's not like most games where we expect the sequels to do new things. It can be more of the same but just finishing the story. The biggest struggle will be creating all the assets, and balancing the combat with new playable party members.

 

[SunKing]

Part 2. I don't see another final fantasy till the remake is fully done imo.

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Puh-lease. If FFXV can be released while FFXIV is still active and on-going, XVI can come out while the VII Remake project is still unfinished. Different development teams and all that.

 

[EsqBob]

Is part 2 the last part? Why did they have to divide it in parts? Will part 2 come to current gen?

 

[Talax]

I think they're gonna release them alternately. Part 1 then FFXVI then part 2 then some kingdom hearts main game then part 3 and then the next FF

 

[Mercador]

FFVII part 2 and part 3. Then FFXVI.

 

[Aadiboy]

Mark my words, FFXVI will come out 4-5 years after its announcement, so FFVII Remake Part 2 will definitely release first.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Is part 2 the last part? Why did they have to divide it in parts? Will part 2 come to current gen?

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Definitely not, FF7 has alot of unique assets that they cant reuse. For instance, all these midgar assets will be useless for building the new towns and overworld. They built combat for 4 or 5 characters in this game and they will have to make another 4-5 combat systems for new characters in the next game, also new enemies, new materia, new summons, etc.

With the scale and production values they're going for theres just no way to do it all in one go.

 

[DC5remy]

https://square-enix-games.com/en_US/news/yoshinori-kitase-final-fantasy-vii-remake-overview

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Awesome info thanks.
I'm more interested in the retail side of marketing. Last time I saw this game box at GameStop it just said remake, and nowhere did it mention it was only part of a series.

example:https://www.bestbuy.com/site/final-...edition-playstation-4/6352243.p?skuId=6352243

I cannot any info on this screen showing its multi part.

 

[The Unsent]

i think the structure of the story is going to be changed a lot more than we currently think

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You have to rearrange the world then, like move major towns around. And considering

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Aeris dies lol (unless they do a gimmick and let her live)

you would want to visit as many places earlier with her as possible in earlier parts.

 

[Sawyer]

XVI is getting announced this year. Mark this post.

 

[Spehornoob]

Awesome info thanks.
I'm more interested in the retail side of marketing. Last time I saw this game box at GameStop it just said remake, and nowhere did it mention it was only part of a series.

example:https://www.bestbuy.com/site/final-...edition-playstation-4/6352243.p?skuId=6352243

I cannot any info on this screen showing its multi part.

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Yeah. The Box only calls it "Final Fantasy VII Remake". It's been a point of contention for a while. The interviews and such have been very open about the fact that its a multi-part series, but I do think they should have added something to the title. If they didn't want to use the "Part One" subtitle for fear of people thinking it wasn't a full game, they should have gone with "Final Fantasy VII Remake: Midgar" or something.

And for no reason, my proposed titles for a theoretical trilogy:
Final Fantasy VII Remake: Midgar
Final Fantasy VII Remake: Reunion
Final Fantasy VII Remake: Meteor

 

[The Unsent]

XVI is getting announced this year. Mark this post.

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They could rename the complete FF VII saga, FF X VII and hit two birds with one stone.

 

[DC5remy]

Yeah. The Box only calls it "Final Fantasy VII Remake". It's been a point of contention for a while. The interviews and such have been very open about the fact that its a multi-part series, but I do think they should have added something to the title. If they didn't want to use the "Part One" subtitle for fear of people thinking it wasn't a full game, they should have gone with "Final Fantasy VII Remake: Midgar" or something.

And for no reason, my proposed titles for a theoretical trilogy:
Final Fantasy VII Remake: Midgar
Final Fantasy VII Remake: Reunion
Final Fantasy VII Remake: Meteor

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That is what I am getting at. There will be a ton of legit confused and pissed off people if they don't start point out it's not a full game.

PLUS there will be a ton of people that will try to take advantage of retailers, doing charge backs and such, and will probably win, as they can prove it didn't say anything.

 

[The Unsent]

Yeah. The Box only calls it "Final Fantasy VII Remake". It's been a point of contention for a while. The interviews and such have been very open about the fact that its a multi-part series, but I do think they should have added something to the title. If they didn't want to use the "Part One" subtitle for fear of people thinking it wasn't a full game, they should have gone with "Final Fantasy VII Remake: Midgar" or something.

And for no reason, my proposed titles for a theoretical trilogy:
Final Fantasy VII Remake: Midgar
Final Fantasy VII Remake: Reunion
Final Fantasy VII Remake: Meteor

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I rather have subtitles, The Harsh Journey, The Calamity of the Skies, The Promised Land. All lore phrases in the game.

Not sure about the first part, I guess, The City of Gathering Souls (since that's where all the main players 'souls' meet and the midgar reactors are literally harvesting souls)

 

[Weeniekuns]

Remake part 2 will go through development hell (new director, new engine, etc), eventually be changed significantly enough to be rebranded as FF16... I guess thats FF15 basically

 

[JuanLatino]

Final Fantasy XVI (if its indeed Yoshidas Project) entered full production in April 2019 - im gonna expect a announcement this year for the next gen consoles and a release in 2021/22

 

[TwinBahamut]

FFXVI is, in all likelihood, being developed by former FFXIV staff and possibly being produced by Naoki Yoshida. That group knows how to properly release a game.

Meanwhile, I fully expect FF7R Part 2 to hit major development problems and get delayed, due to feature creep, getting overly ambitious, or something like that. I really don't expect it to come out anytime soon.

So I have more faith in FFXVI right now.

 

[mojo]

There's gonna be a part 2? Don't see part 1 anywhere on that box

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

FFXVI is, in all likelihood, being developed by former FFXIV staff and possibly being produced by Naoki Yoshida. That group knows how to properly release a game.

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[Poppy]

kingdom hearts 4

 

[DNAbro]

There's gonna be a part 2? Don't see part 1 anywhere on that box

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Do people seriously not know about this at this point? Most likely there will be even more than 2 parts.

 

[The Unsent]

There's gonna be a part 2? Don't see part 1 anywhere on that box

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Lol

Do people seriously not know about this at this point? Most likely there will be even more than 2 parts.

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Yes and SE know about it, of course they do and they're fine with the wrong impression.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Part 2 will very obviously be out before XVI. I'm shocked that anyone would think otherwise.

But I also think we're going to start seeing faster development times for Square Enix and it might surprise people.

 

[JuanLatino]

Part 2 will very obviously be out before XVI. I'm shocked that anyone would think otherwise.

But I also think we're going to start seeing faster development times for Square Enix and it might surprise people.

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why are you shocked?

FFXVI presumably entered full development in April 2019, the former BD2 team working on that project for a long time behind the scenes.
in regards to FFVII Kitase said the next part will not necessarily release faster, which makes sense, given the scope of content that awaits us.

so lets say Part 2 takes 3-4 years of time, its not far fetched to assume that XVI will release before that

 

[TwinBahamut]

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Oh come on! It should be totally clear that I am talking about their ARR and onward work here!

The problems with 1.0 were heavily driven by Crystal Tools and Wada's mismanagement anyways, and those are things of the past.

1.0 was rushed to release after having a severe delay in development. On the other hand, the project that FFXIV devs split off to work on has been in pre-production for years, and has supposedly entered full production some time last year. It is not being rushed, and has been worked on for a while.

 

[newmoneytrash]

You have to rearrange the world then, like move major towns around. And considering

Spoiler

Aeris dies lol (unless they do a gimmick and let her live)

you would want to visit as many places earlier with her as possible in earlier parts.

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yeah i think the major thing that is going to be vastly different is that spoiler. i still think it'll happen but it'll either be earlier than we expect (like the end of part 1 maybe?) or way, way later (at the end of the penultimate part, which is what i think is more likely)

either way i'm excited to see them play with the story

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Oh come on! It should be totally clear that I am talking about their ARR and onward work here!

The problems with 1.0 were heavily driven by Crystal Tools and Wada's mismanagement anyways, and those are things of the past.

1.0 was rushed to release after having a severe delay in development. On the other hand, the project that FFXIV devs split off to work on has been in pre-production for years, and has supposedly entered full production some time last year. It is not being rushed, and has been worked on for a while.

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Not to mention Hiromichi Tanaka was sick at the time

 

[Nida]

I figured the consensus would be 16. Guess I'm not in the know.

 

[Deleted member 56995]

Final Fantasy XVI < Kingdom Hearts Versus III < Final Fantasy VII Remake Part II

 

[skeezx]

i know i'm supposed to be cynical AF about SE's production pipeline but theoretically FF7R2 would be easy and fast to develop for with the assets and engine in place. i expect to play it in a few years, can't say that for FF16 but lots of caveats could make things go the other way

 

[show me your skeleton]

i would love to learn about ffxvi. i imagine its development has been rocky/rebooted a few times with ffvii remake now in full steam. i would assume that the old nvidia tech demo was using early assets/concepts but who knows if that's what they'll go with in the end.

 

[TheCed]

Is there an Avatar Bet on the line ???
If so I'm on the side VIIr2

 

[FakePlasticTree]

XIV's next expansion.

 

[Spiderman]

It comes in parts? I'll wait for the complete story..

 

[Princess Bubblegum]

Part 2. For one, I can only imagine that FFXVI is still in pre-production and SE is being very cautious after the clusterfuck that was XV.

 

[Son of Sparda]

XVI

 

[Lord Vatek]

I don't think Part 2 (or the following) are nearly as far off as people keep thinking.

 

[The Unsent]

It comes in parts? I'll wait for the complete story..

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You might have to wait 2025 if I'm feeling generous.

 

[Amauri14]

Final Fantasy VII Remake Part 2 will come first, I honestly don't think that we will be playing Final Fantasy XVI on this decade.

 

[The Unsent]

i know i'm supposed to be cynical AF about SE's production pipeline but theoretically FF7R2 would be easy and fast to develop for with the assets and engine in place. i expect to play it in a few years, can't say that for FF16 but lots of caveats could make things go the other way

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The rest of the world is very different from Midgar, although they can definitely take advantage of the Midgar reactor assets. Especially in part 2.

 

[dmr87]

It should be all hands on deck to finish VII, and it will be after they see the sales numbers.

 

[Son of Sparda]

I think people who expect Part 2 in just a couple of years are in for a rude awakening.

 

[skeezx]

The rest of the world is very different from Midgar, although they can definitely take advantage of the Midgar reactor assets. Especially in part 2.

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definitely won't be copy/paste but the base building tools are there for about anything they want to do. i guess the deciding factor is whether part 2 will do a 180 and be a sprawling open world or whatever, as to which they'll probably have to go back to the drawing board

 

[The Unsent]

I think people who expect Part 2 in just a couple of years are in for a rude awakening.

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My guess it if ends at the City of the Ancients or Whirlwind maze, it indeed won't be out for a few years. That's a lot of world, a lot.

 

[Son of Sparda]

My guess it if ends at the City of the Ancients or Whirlwind maze, it indeed won't be out for a few years. That's a lot of world, a lot.

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I haven't played the original FF7 myself so I can't comment on specifics, but I've seen/heard a lot of discussions about it so I know it's a huge game. People either have forgotten how big and varied FF7 is or simply don't realize how much work it takes to recreate something like that on the scale that SE is doing with Part 1.