So on the internet, what degree of "cancelling" is appropriate?

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

So there's this YouTuber who is mildly popular (a few million views a month) who is strongly in favor of decriminalizing bestiality and believes you can have sex with an animal without it being abuse.

From what I can tell, he's faced almost no backlash from a views or networking perspective for his views on bestiality or other, uhh, interesting subjects.

But how appropriate is it in general to promote the truly heinous behavior of mild internet celebs in an attempt to get them to change or to face a worse networking situation? To what degree should cancelling be pushed?

 

[Burrman]

He should be jailed not cancelled

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

He should be jailed not cancelled

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Well, he hasn't been caught fucking dogs yet though, uhhhh, yeah, that's one of the major worries here: That he is out here not just arguing that you can fuck animals but is fucking animals himself.

 

[Fulminator]

I feel like they probably aren't getting called out on it because bestiality isn't really a controversial thing in the sense that the vast majority of people do not share this persons viewpoint so there's really no way their views would ever come to fruition

If it bothers you I'd say stop giving them views, but from what you say most viewers probably already know about this so idk what calling them out would do

E: if this person is actually fucking animals then that's a whole new can of worms and something should be done about that

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I feel like they probably aren't getting called out on it because bestiality isn't really a controversial thing in the sense that the vast majority of people do not share this persons viewpoint so there's really no way their views would ever come to fruition

If it bothers you I'd say stop giving them views, but from what you say most viewers probably already know about this so idk what calling them out would do

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I would say a few thousand people know about this but not too many. Because the posts in favor are deep inside Reddit or on his livestreams that few people watch.

The point of cancelling would be to try and hurt them from a networking and crossover perspective as their networking is really good for... a guy who supports others fucking dogs.

 

[Fulminator]

I would say a few thousand people know about this but not too many. Because the posts in favor are deep inside Reddit or on his livestreams that few people watch.

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hmmm, I think it's fully justified to call the YouTuber out on this stuff since bestiality is a pretty fucked up thing, so I don't think you would be in the wrong in attempting to cancel them, esp if they have abused animals before . Up to you if you wa t to get involved with something like that though.

 

[Ravelle]

What's canceling?

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

What's canceling?

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That's a good question, actually!

What "cancelling" actually institutes is very unclear.

 

[Kcannon]

The moment the mainstream picks it up.

 

[Speevy]

What's canceling?

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I think it's like when you stop a move in a fighting game before it can finish.

 

[Ravelle]

That's a good question, actually!

What "cancelling" actually institutes is very unclear.

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I've seen it used a bunch but it was never explained what it actually means, assumed it was just some new millennial term.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I've seen it used a bunch but it was never explained what it actually means, assumed it was just some new millennial term.

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It is a kind of a new millennial term and kind of a term to criticize millennials but few to no people actually have defined it from what I can tell.

 

[Mi goreng]

is this YMS? i remember reading a passing comment about something on this..

 

[BasilZero]

What's canceling?

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New word for Boycott.


(At least I think that is what it means....lol)

 

[Strangelove_77]

Is there a degree? All the cancelling I ever see on here is to condemn everyone to hell forever no matter the severity of what they've done.

 

[Allforce]

What's canceling?

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As far as I can tell it's when a person online doesn't like someone and decides to ignore them but rather than just state they are doing it personally they invoke the colloquial "we" to make it seem like a much bigger deal than it is.

 

[CanUKlehead]

If 'cancelling' is stoping supporting someone/thing and almost pretend it doesn't/never existed as a form of protest or just being offended, then I've technically cancelled Neogaf, Gamespot after Jeff's firing, IGN in 2001 when they made their boards for-pay for a while, meat, Michael Jackson (that hurts), R. Kelly, Orson Scott Card, Dragon Quest, anyone supporting Trump and Chick Fil A. Hoping to add Amazon next.

 

[bionic77]

Yeah some people probably shouldn't be given a voice on the internet but I don't think that could ever be enforced in a way that was fair.

 

[ZeroDS]

So is this a hypothetical example or a real thing that's currently happening?

 

[Doober]

Cancelling is recurrent, performative boycotting.

The difference between choosing not to support a person or product and loudly declaring that said person or product is "cancelled" and taking a position of aggressive, unassailable moral superiority against anyone who isn't also cancelling along with you.

 

[julia crawford]

What's canceling?

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Cancelling is when a group of people make a concentrated effort to deny someone visibility in social spaces/make it harder for them to continue having a presence.

It's the same phenomenon as when people make an effort to stop consuming and sharing content of someone, but on a social scale and with varying degrees of coordination. It's heavy on self replication, a big part of cancelling is spreading the message/aggregating as many actors as possible.

 

[Gentlemen]

Cancelling feels like a fictional boogeyman that has the power to ruin a person's life permanently.

In reality, it's just people exercising their rights to stop consuming media produced by a horrifying person and sharing the reasons why. This is actually a pretty normal reaction in the case of someone who wants to fuck animals.

 

[Deleted member 18944]

Maybe if cancel culture wasn't more toxic than it is constructive, sure. Seems like every time someone is "cancelled" it is because they did something wrong that exists in the spectrum of mild dumb shit. Internet drama is spectacle and if you're on that bandwagon...well you shouldn't be.

There's nothing inherently wrong with boycotting something, but cancel culture goes beyond this.

 

[Wackamole]

Maybe stop using the word cancelling and just call people out on what they do wrong.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

So is this a hypothetical example or a real thing that's currently happening?

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The YouTuber I described does exist, yes.

 

[Ravelle]

Cancelling is when a group of people make a concentrated effort to deny someone visibility in social spaces/make it harder for them to continue having a presence.

It's the same phenomenon as when people make an effort to stop consuming and sharing content of someone, but on a social scale and with varying degrees of coordination. It's heavy on self replication, a big part of cancelling is spreading the message/aggregating as many actors as possible.

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Aha, thanks! Seems like lost cause when the the big ones have a a following so big it drowns out the couple few that ignore him, especially since any news boosts.

 

[fhqwhgads]

It's beastiality, of course you don't put up with that shit. The scaremongering about cancelling is just done to defend the people who'll be most affected by it. If you don't cancel someone when they need it, you get a pewdiepie situation where he gets off scot free and even worse, make people think the awful shit they did wasn't so bad. It normalises shitty behaviour and it sucks.

 

[Scuffed]

Maybe if cancel culture wasn't more toxic than it is constructive, sure. Seems like every time someone is "cancelled" it is because they did something wrong that exists in the spectrum of mild dumb shit. Internet drama is spectacle and if you're on that bandwagon...well you shouldn't be.

There's nothing inherently wrong with boycotting something, but cancel culture goes beyond this.

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Can you give an example of someone who got "cancelled" for doing something mild?

 

[ZeroDS]

The YouTuber I described does exist, yes.

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Does this person have a young fan base? If he's shouting into the void I don't really care unless he's abusing animals, then he should be jailed. But if he's influencing young people with this stuff then it becomes an even more dire situation

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Does this person have a young fan base? If he's shouting into the void I don't really care unless he's abusing animals, then he should be jailed. But if he's influencing young people with this stuff then it becomes an even more dire situation

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He's part of film review/film criticism YouTube, not sure how old or young his fanbase is. He spends all his time complaining about blockbuster movies being bad. He gets a few million views a month.

 

[Deleted member 5127]

Yeah some people probably shouldn't be given a voice on the internet but I don't think that could ever be enforced in a way that was fair.

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Basically this, some people legitimetaly deserve to be cancelled, but more often than not it affects people who fail purity tests and step out of line with their pinky toe.

We will never agree to what the bar should be.

As for OP, I don't think beastiality endorsement should be allowed on YouTube.

 

[Deleted member 18944]

Can you give an example of someone who got "cancelled" for doing something mild?

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Fantano got cancelled for a hot minute for a meme channel he had along with false allegations by Fader, which ended in Fader removing their article in the first place.

Even with that known, if I share any Fantano content on this forum, the thread is almost immediately derailed because people STILL think that he needs to be "cancelled."

 

[Deleted member 6230]

Fantano got cancelled for a hot minute for a meme channel he had along with false allegations by Fader, which ended in Fader removing their article in the first place.

Even with that known, if I share any Fantano content on this forum, the thread is almost immediately derailed because people STILL think that he needs to be "cancelled."

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Wait. This might derail the thread (lol) but Fantano did in fact start the meme channel, right?

 

[ZeroDS]

He's part of film review/film criticism YouTube, not sure how old or young his fanbase is. He spends all his time complaining about blockbuster movies being bad. He gets a few million views a month.

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It's safe to say that if he's getting that many views then he's probably got some young fans and so he shouldn't be given a platform. So yeah he should be cancelled.

 

[Deleted member 18944]

Wait. This might derail the thread (lol) but Fantano did in fact start the meme channel, right?

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Of course, but the way the fader piece characterized it as some alt right shit hole is a wild claim because its a meme channel of satire, and because Fantano is a massive left wing democratic socialist.

 

[Scuffed]

Fantano got cancelled for a hot minute for a meme channel he had along with false allegations by Fader, which ended in Fader removing their article in the first place.

Even with that known, if I share any Fantano content on this forum, the thread is almost immediately derailed because people STILL think that he needs to be "cancelled."

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Never even heard of him. I think for the most part everyone I see get "cancelled" did or said something that is very revealing to their character. I rarely see it misplaced tbh. There are degrees of offence of course and some cancellations are based on very very bad things and others based on just bad things.

I think your take that "every time someone is "cancelled" it is because they did something wrong that exists in the spectrum of mild dumb shit." is wrong overall.

 

[Necromanti]

Cancelling is when a group of people make a concentrated effort to deny someone visibility in social spaces/make it harder for them to continue having a presence.

It's the same phenomenon as when people make an effort to stop consuming and sharing content of someone, but on a social scale and with varying degrees of coordination. It's heavy on self replication, a big part of cancelling is spreading the message/aggregating as many actors as possible.

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So...a boycott.

 

[Deleted member 16657]

What's canceling?

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Cancelling is when someone you like does something that morally offends you enough to reconsider supporting them.

 

[Deleted member 18944]

I think your take that "every time someone is "cancelled" it is because they did something wrong that exists in the spectrum of mild dumb shit." is wrong overall.

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Maybe because I don't participate in cancel culture I miss out on the ones that seem valid, but from my own perspective and times that I've read into things, it seemed like some mild dumb shit.

But that could also be indicative of how I judge whether or not something is severe enough to warrant strong backlash, and I'm not really a moral compass.

 

[Deleted member 6230]

Of course, but the way the fader piece characterized it as some alt right shit hole is a wild claim because its a meme channel of satire, and because Fantano is a massive left wing democratic socialist.

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Yeah I get it but last thing I'll say was that it was irresponsible to start the channel in the first place but I'll stop

 

[Scuffed]

Maybe because I don't participate in cancel culture I miss out on the ones that seem valid, but from my own perspective and times that I've read into things, it seemed like some mild dumb shit.

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I don't know what participating in cancel culture means exactly. I just recognize when someone is revealed as a peice of shit and call them out on it. If them being shitty results in backlash that hurts their career then so be it. Does that mean they are cancelled? Perhaps but I feel like the whole phrasing of it as "cancel culture" I only see in alt-right tweets and is just the new thing they use with the term sjw to defend shitty people.

 

[Deleted member 12833]

Cancel culture is pretty toxic imo. Digging up things people said 10 years ago...as if people don't change or mature

 

[Deleted member 18944]

I don't know what participating in cancel culture means exactly. I just recognize when someone is revealed as a peice of shit and call them out on it. If them being shitty results in backlash that hurts their career then so be it. Does that mean they are cancelled? Perhaps but I feel like the whole phrasing of it as "cancel culture" I only see in alt-right tweets and is just the new thing they use with the term sjw to defend shitty people.

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I'll leave this here, as I agree with quite a bit of it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/17/opinion/sunday/cancel-culture-call-out.html

 

[julia crawford]

So...a boycott.

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Yes, it's basically the same thing but with an emphasis on internet.

 

[Scuffed]

I'll leave this here, as I agree with quite a bit of it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/17/opinion/sunday/cancel-culture-call-out.html

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I've seen that. It made the rounds pretty well on Twitter. The alt-right right ate it up. You see the victims of backlash like this are usually exposed racist, sex offenders or alt-right xenophobes. That's been my experience. I just need more examples of people that you think have been unfairly "cancelled" because I still disagree with your original statement that most of the time it's for mild things.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Cancel culture is toxic AF. I've seen people here bragging about getting so and so cancelled as if it was a hunting trophy.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Cancel culture is pretty toxic imo. Digging up things people said 10 years ago...as if people don't change or mature

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This YouTuber said fucking animals should be decriminalized I believe four years ago and like ten months ago so it's been a fairly consistent thing.

 

[Deleted member 18944]

This YouTuber said fucking animals should be decriminalized I believe four years ago and like ten months ago so it's been a fairly consistent thing.

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I think their comment was commenting on the culture as a whole, not in defense of this YouTuber.

 

[Scuffed]

I've seen people here bragging about getting so and so cancelled as if it was a hunting trophy.

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When did this happen and to which personality? I only see alt-right types bitching about cancel culture tbh. I mean I've followed people that I thought were good but now I know they aren't. Red Letter Media's Captain Marvel segment was very revealing. They had revealed themselves before but in much more subtle ways. The beginning of their Captain Marvel review, however, was like watching a Quartering video for crying out loud. I don't know if they are "cancelled" per se but I'm put off by them now.

 

[Deleted member 12833]

This YouTuber said fucking animals should be decriminalized I believe four years ago and like ten months ago so it's been a fairly consistent thing.

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Yea, it's gross and wrong but I assume there is no proof of YouTuber actually doing anything. I also haven't seen the videos.

Guess I just don't see the point in canceling and blowing their comments up on social media in a hope to ruin their life. If people find his viewpoints offensive, they should stop watching and following. They are a youtuber, not a politician.....their views don't really matter much.