I just finished rewatching the raimi flicks and now am on asm1. This isn't a rehash at all. They're nothing alike.
TASM fans are the same people that think Venom is generally as good as the MCU movies.
I'm a TASM fan who thinks Venom is ass.TASM fans are the same people that think Venom is generally as good as the MCU movies.
TASM fans are the same people that think Venom is generally as good as the MCU movies.
Pretty much. They have good chemistry in the second one but the writing sees to it that they make sure it's of no use in the movie. Same with the action and visuals.all great but the writing makes it so none of it matters because electro is a shitty ass character with stupid ass motives.It has Spider-man stalk his ex-girlfriend and then be rewarded for it
it sucks, actually
Peter and MJ are the worst parts about the raimi trilogy. They're good friends, but there's so much fucking cheating in those movies.
I just finished rewatching the raimi flicks and now am on asm1. This isn't a rehash at all. They're nothing alike.
You must be watching a different movie, It's the same origin story, with worse tweaks and character beats than Raimi's first film. The funniest scene in the movie is when Uncle Ben is trying to give the whole "with great power comes great responsibly" line, but they wanna try and change it up and it ends up being hilariously awkward.
All the "untold story" bullshit about Peter's parents that Sony marketed the film with back then was a lie, they ended up cutting most of that in the editing room.
It's not though. Tobey and Garfield have different origins. We never seen tobeys parents, his reasoning for going out and doing Spidey things before Ben's death is completely different, his relationship with MJ is completely different too. Osborne and Connors have different relationships to their Peter's as well.
I mean, they're both bad movies, might as well go with the complete wild one where Deborah Meyers is walking around with a horse.Incidentally easily my fav of the RZ Halloweens, and a movie that I think is underrated
HeheWhen the first ASM came out I hated it and thus walked away from the series.
Watched it now as part of my slow Spider-Man movie marathon in prep for No Way Home
Now I really liked ASM and loved this one
That means Spiderman movies really have a high bar in comparison? Because I can def watch TAS2 many times and never will I ever see Batman and Robin again.It's the Batman and Robin of the Spider-man movies and I will die on this hill.
It is a movie of amazing highs, and amazing lows.
When it works, it works really well. When it's not working though, it's pretty rough.
But uh, having had my own retrospective of the Spider-Man movies from Tobey through Holland, I agree. TASM2 is the one that gets it the most right where it counts. Legit the best suit by far in all of the movies too, the only thing I would like is the expressive eyes from the Holland movies.
The way they adapted Gwen Stacey's death was honestly done perfectly.
The real shame of it was when Norman was sitting in bed dying of his disease, he didn't look at Harry and go "this disease...it's goblin' me up!"
I won't boo you.Folks it's easily the best comic book version of the character
It's visually incredible
Best Spidey suit
The score is mint
Andrew Garfield is Peter he is Spider-Man
Emma Stone is Gwen the perfect Gwen
Ok you can boo me now.
preachI won't boo you.
TASM2 somehow eclipsed Spider-man 3 as "everyone's least favorite Spider-man movie" but the folks in here saying "it's pure trash" "nothing good about it" are out of their element. At least where Spidey is concerned.
As a movie, yeah, there are a lot of issues here. The primary problem is that it feels like a movie obscured by pop-up ads for upcoming projects and movies. Sony's marketing stink is all over it and they really didn't care about damaging any semblance of a story in order to wedge in a marketing team meeting word doc of ideas into a single film. Teasing the sinister six, the Gentleman, speed-running through Harry's arc, the clumsily handled conspiracy about Peter's parents, the list goes on... it's not a good movie.
But it is a great Spider-man.
After rewatching the Raimi trilogy recently, I have to say that I genuinely prefer Garfield's snarky bratty Spider over Tobey's oafish, sadsack. He looks the part, he sounds the part and you're right- it's probably the best Spidey suit we've ever had on screen.
Another comparison point, Garfield and Stone have 10x better chemistry than Maguire and Dunst did and it's not even close. The relationship in Raimi's trilogy starts feeling gross from the jump and devolves into a toxic, manipulative mess before we ever get to appreciate it on any real level. I had remembered the kiss, the hype has hell "go get 'em tiger" from the ending of 2 but the majority of their relationship feels like a drunken chess match between an MRA-in the making and a manipulative person with commitment issues. Compare this to Garfield and Stone who are naturally smiling and laughing, naturally shift body posture and line read in a believably way every time their eyes meet (yes I know both of these couples were dating behind the scenes) and as a Spidey fan, Stone's "Oh, I'm in a trouble" felt like a punch in the face knowing what's coming. And that moment? It's earned. And it hits hard.
Look there are some weird problems even with the first movie, especially pushing Spidey a bit too far over the confident quippy line into the "this guy is kind of an asshole" territory. But for as sloppy as ASM2 is, it has the most pure Spider-man comic moment of any of these movies. Yes, even more than anything in Tom Holland's (who I realize has a lot of critics on this forum).
And that's the ending Rhino scene.
Everything about it.
Spider-man's advice to the kid. Pulling himself up out of his depression. Him playfully taunting Rhino. It's perfect.
This cast deserved so much better.
No live-action Spider-man movie has been perfect but all of them have something to love, even this one.
What did you think of Amazing 1? Did your opinion of it change? I'd also be curious to read your thoughts on Amazing 2 after you're done with it.
My opinion of both movies improved on my rewatch. I wasn't expecting this for ASM2.
I think what honestly helps it is... most of the really bad stuff is sequel bait side stuff
Like look I love ASM 2 and I think Garfield not getting a serious run is criminal but all the bad that was mostly b plot here was about to go A plot... and no Emma Stone.
You're probably not wrong. A lot of what made TASM movies work was how good the relationship was between Peter and Gwen, so going on from there likely wouldn't have turned out so well. I was looking forward to the Sinister Six though. Maybe they really could've played off of Peter and his feelings about Harry after what happened with Gwen. That could've been compelling.
I think it's just after retrospecting Tobey and Garfield's, Holland's just seem so lifeless in comparison. There's few scenes with Aunt May, he feels entirely too dependent on Tony Stark, it doesn't feel, well, like Spider-Man. It feels gimmicky in comparison to Tobey and Garfield. It bothers me how much people write off the Garfield movies. They aren't perfect by any means, their problems are very present and very rough, but people act like they're downright worth skipping when you would miss out on a perfect portrayal of Peter's real first love and tragedy.