Look, I'm not arguing that there is a non-zero sum of people who don't actually know the racist connotations in which that phrase is used when used by a white person toward a black person. I'm just saying that it's popular still to use it in that way today, so I'm not going to parse who is ignorant about the context and who is doing it maliciously personally. That's a job for other white people, probably! I'm glad that there are white posters here who immediately recognize the issue and who could point that out to other white people (calmly, I hope!) who are genuinely ignorant about its use.
I just don't think that we can compare the use of "one of the good ones" in that context to the use of something like "peanut gallery," which is more divorced from its origins.
Again, the nexus of "offensive word origin" and "word use has changed so much as to drop the context of its original origin entirely or almost entirely" is a tough one to navigate, and it's worth having those conversations.
I also think that you're maybe accidentally setting up a couple of strawmen in response to my post in that:
a) I don't imply that no one can ever use "one of the good ones" again. Outside of the white person-saying-it-to-a-black-person context, that phrase has more benign meaning! Songs can use whatever they want to use, but again, the songwriter should be aware of the context in which they're using it (and hopefully have people around them who will inform them of a dicey context that they're not aware of).
b) I don't imply that we should dismiss the original offensiveness of either of those phrases that you mention. Absolutely, we shouldn't. I'm not of Asian descent, so it's not really my place to talk about who should be offended by either of those phrases. I would guess, though, that something like "long time no see" is less likely to be used to make a joke about East Asian cultures than, say, something still heavily used to make a joke like "me love you long time."
But again, you'd have to ask someone who is of East Asian heritage, not me. All I know is that the nexus of "offensive word origin" and "how we use the word now" is an interesting and tough one to navigate, so we should probably talk about that!
so many linguistic scholars on today. no one gives a shit about the possible neutral origin stories of phrases or how your gam-gams says it - but in a nice way. shit is overwhelmingly used today in a racist context. it's in the same vein as "oh you're so well spoken" "you're not like other ____ folks".
Yeah I've really muddled up my point here because I am arguing we should never use it again regardless of context
Yes.This thread right now is literally why BCT and black ppl have gripes on this forum, btw.
It's a lot of people out here mysteriously interested subatomically by theoretical intentions of a tweet (which the company deleted *specifically* because they themselves know how bad it looks).
.This thread right now is literally why BCT and black ppl have gripes on this forum, btw.
It's a lot of people out here mysteriously interested subatomically by theoretical intentions of a tweet (which the company deleted *specifically* because they themselves know how bad it looks).
This thread right now is literally why BCT and black ppl have gripes on this forum, btw.
It's a lot of people out here mysteriously interested subatomically by theoretical intentions of a tweet (which the company deleted *specifically* because they themselves know how bad it looks).
huh.. never thought about it this way.One of the good ones
"One of the good ones" is a phrase that encapsulates the idea of comparing an individual favorably to the other people in their demographic, with said demographic being based on gender, race/ethnicity, sexual orientation, transgender status, religion etc. Depending on whether this phrase (or a...rationalwiki.org
Unless you mean like "How could they be so dumb to post this on twitter. I don't get it." Which I 100% agree with.
This isn't an American or English speaking thing, I'd bet most if not all languages have their own version of it.huh.. never thought about it this way.
Always assumed the good guys to be general population not related to a race or group.
( Not a native speaker).
huh.. never thought about it this way.
Always assumed the good guys to be general population not related to a race or group.
( Not a native speaker).
GuaranteedI would take the bet that whomever sends tweets through that account didn't have to run it by anyone let alone anyone black.
I'm not sure the appropriate response to this post outside of suggesting you read the thread and digest a bit of what you've read before posting.Yeah the only place I've seen anyone make a big deal out of that post was this thread. I didn't think it was intentional but anyway...
Yeah the only place I've seen anyone make a big deal out of that post was this thread. I didn't think it was intentional but anyway...
This. The simple fact is that you have to hop through several loops of logic to come to the conclusion that no one involved knew of this or noticed it. It takes much more effort to try and find an angle to give the benefit of the doubt than to just see it for what it is. But people are always there to find the benefit of the doubt with racism... it's like no one wants to acknowledge that people can just be racist on purpose or otherwise. The non-apology from the twitter account doesn't help.This is the first page of Google after searching that phrase:
It is such a well known """"""well-meaning"""""" racist statement that I find it entirely disingenuous to even begin to pretend that anyone who might be involved with social media - in particular social media! - at all would have no idea of the deep history of statements like this. It's not new. It's not uncommon. It's very well known.
Thank you. I think sometimes white people get way too defensive about anything racist. Like being called racist is the greatest condemnation of their character to them and so even if you imply or try to softly explain that something they said or their friends and family have said is racist, they get super defensive about it and try to explain it away. I think some people need to chill. I genuinely think to some white people you're either not racist or you're literally Hitler. This stuff has nuance and minorities have been explaining it forever but when you're too busy being defensive, you don't listen to them.This is absolutely not that. You are fully inventing reasons to justify this or to create a conversation.
Your intent may not be to cause harm or pain or to "give leeway to racists" but sometimes you need to just... listen... when people tell you to stop. It's okay to sit down and listen instead of continuing to justify or explain and that's something all white people need to learn. Sometimes we just gotta stop.
Ironically, the thread would not be as long as it is if not for people going making posts exactly like this. No one is calling for Peanuts' head.Yeah the only place I've seen anyone make a big deal out of that post was this thread. I didn't think it was intentional but anyway...
So if no one calls it out it doesn't exist? Nah it's offensive, bottom line and just because it flew under your radar doesn't make it any less so.Yeah the only place I've seen anyone make a big deal out of that post was this thread. I didn't think it was intentional but anyway...
...there was a huge outcry on Twitter, where it was posted, which is what led to them taking it down in the first place.Yeah the only place I've seen anyone make a big deal out of that post was this thread. I didn't think it was intentional but anyway...
What other places would you expect something like this gain traction? It did numbers on twitter until they deleted it. It was only up for 30 min.Yeah the only place I've seen anyone make a big deal out of that post was this thread. I didn't think it was intentional but anyway...
I didn't get it. Had to read to page 2 to see what was up so I don't think it was intentional.
Making posts like this without a hint of self-reflection is not a good look.Yeah the only place I've seen anyone make a big deal out of that post was this thread. I didn't think it was intentional but anyway...
It doesn't matter if it's intentional.I didn't get it. Had to read to page 2 to see what was up so I don't think it was intentional.
How is it that this has already been handled in the thread repeatedly, this and all the other "maybe it wasn't" and "but what if" variations and people are still showing up like PERHAPS IT WAS INNOCENT AND NOT INTENTIONALLY RACISTThat's... astonishing bad.
Is there an argument to be made that such phrases could be used innocently? Sure - but I think it's been made clear repeatedly that this is neither the time nor the place. It's easy if you're privileged to 'just want to discuss' but that ignores the constant and pervasive harm of such phrases.
Just recently the Apple TV+ series?Peanuts has not aged well and they are hardly even trying to keep with the times either.
When was the last modern, new, Peanuts anything?