I can't think of any off the top of my head but are there any Nintendo characters that are Hispanic or Latino?
only one I can think of is Misango and he's like D-list at best
we aint ever getting shit
I can't think of any off the top of my head but are there any Nintendo characters that are Hispanic or Latino?
He can't be capable of understanding because he's white?Hes pretty ignorant and because of him being white is why he doesnt understand.
Imagine if they just put Mike Tyson in. His final smash could be exactly the same as fighting him in punch out. You use it and he disappears, and 8 bit versions of him appear on screen for every affected character, and they have to dodge every hit to not get knocked off.Doc Louis should be playable. His final smash should be him running you over with his bike.
The graphic novel was planned well in advance of the game's release I am sure. Moreover, Spring Man doesn't tell you everything about the game. The eponymous ARMS in ARMS aren't arms. They're the weapons. And more than just your arms can have the stretchiness thing applied.TL;DR: Spring Man represents everything you need to know about ARMS with his design alone, which is something that neither Ribbon Girl or Twintelle do as good of a job at. That alone puts Spring Man closer to Ryu than Liu Kang. The fact that the graphic novel is Spring Man-focused shows that Nintendo's still staying the course.
With that said, I could see Twintelle replacing Ribbon Girl as the leading lady.
Because palette swaps are not representation.You can pick a black Mii character, black Inkling and a black villager. I really don't understand the issue here. Most of the roster is non-humanoid anyway...
I would actually love this.Doc Louis should be playable. His final smash should be him running you over with his bike.
There's a fuckton. Of the top of my head you haveJust remember that these are old characters many times. Also, "white" people are the vast majority in North America and definitely Japan. Game makers design their games to sell to the most people. All that said, I believe there are dark skinned costumes for Splatoon kid and Mii. So modern games are accounting for more skin colors. It's hard to think of many dark skinned videogame characters in general. Mr Sandman, Twintelle, Barrett, ???? Not exactly the most popular characters.
Who is attacking him? He said he's a white person yet doesn't associate with any character and so doesn't think people should care about this, dismissing the concerns of the thread.Sure, both are pretty sucky, but for the most part when it comes to dismissing representation concerns, it comes off as individual opinion. Something like: "I don't see it", or "I don't think it matters in a Japanese developed character focused game like Smash"
But when you have people attack someone because of their race, is that not coming off as a little bit much?
Just remember that these are old characters many times. Also, "white" people are the vast majority in North America and definitely Japan. Game makers design their games to sell to the most people. All that said, I believe there are dark skinned costumes for Splatoon kid and Mii. So modern games are accounting for more skin colors. It's hard to think of many dark skinned videogame characters in general. Mr Sandman, Twintelle, Barrett, ???? Not exactly the most popular characters.
The point is that some do not make that connection between a fantasy world and real life counterpart because the story does not frame it in such a way. Yes something like Fire Emblem is obviously inspired by European feudalism and romanticism, but many people don't consider Marth to be "European" or white, he is from.... whatever the Fire Emblem world is called. I haven't played The Messenger so I don't know if that takes place in our world, but you are projecting your knowledge about how ninjas are portrayed in our world into a fictional (?) one.
It's the old "Why are all anime characters WHITE?" routine. Because the audience imprints their ideas onto characters, often in spite of (or because of) the creator's intentions.
The main thing Nintendo needs to work in is creating LEADING PROTAGONISTS that are non-white. They are capable of creating black and brown characters, but they rarely are the main characters of games, making them unlikely to end up as playable fighters in Smash. Yes, Urbosa would be a cool fighter, but being a one off character in a Zelda game that is only really featured in flashbacks and a small portion of the gameplay makes it hard to justify making her a unique character on the same billing as Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf.
MarioHow many humans/humanoids in the roster? I think that would be a more accurate description
It's my understanding that the fans (rightfully) brought this up with the devs for Half Genie Hero and she was changed back to her darker skin tone. That I followed. I'm unsure of whether or not a similar controversy occurred before that but I guess I wouldn't be too surprised.If you followed the IP you would know. As much as it still annoys me that I had to tan my Villager in Animal Crossing New Leaf now they are trying to put a black villager as an option in Smash hmmmph.
I will not appreciate Shantae as a PoC when the devs kept changing her skin from dark to light and back again, felt like they could not make the commitment for the sake of marketing and sales. Not a good history there for PoC. It matters what you do with these characters because PoC rarely get to see them in games.
Black folks already have to give characters like Elma and Twintelle a pass because they come from a long history of the Japanese meme of Black Skinned person with White Hair. It is a really weird thing you find in anime and manga always this theme of dark skin and white hair, like they really are trying to avoid creating a black character so they made this race of white haired people.
But none of the characters in Smash Bros. are real...
Seriously. They are all fictional made up video game characters. Whether it's Link or Isabelle they are equally made up.
Literally none of us are like link, like Mario, like Ike, like any of them. I am white and don't feel like I associate with any of the characters in the game. Does that mean I'm not represented? They could all be black, blue, or green. None of them actually represent me. So I just don't find myself caring.
Some of the characters are multiracial in the game with different skins even. Not even miis really feel like... Me.
I a fat 32 year old white male who has dreams of more. But I don't see anything that represents me.
Not do I really give a crap. I don't play Smash Bros to self associate to characters
Maybe I'm not reading this for long enough, but everything here seems to spell out that, regardless of the setting, regardless of where the story takes place, it is still seen as being a product that represents Japan, ie, "It is a game made in and by the country of Japan". Nothing I am reading indicates that characters with distinctly European features and names are, themselves, of Japanese ethnicity, but that the character was written and designed with a 'Japanese mindset', to paraphrase in my own words. They may impart Japanese values and motives on these characters, but not their ethnicity.
To put it succintly, this article backs up, "Fire Emblem is a game made in Japan, with a Japanese Flavor", and not, "Fire Emblem is a game that takes place in a regionally Japanese world with ethnically Japanese characters".
EDIT: The Ghost in the Shell example provided does not really apply to Fire Emblem, as no one in Fire Emblem has a Japanese name. (They may have a distinctly Japanese person's idea of what a European name sounds like, but they aren't Japanese names.)
The problem is that he isn't anywhere near as popular as Twintelle.fuck it, I am now campaining for MISANGO
He's black/brown, latino AND a native person, he's more diverse than generic American Twintelle.
Who is attacking him? He said he's a white person yet doesn't associate with any character and so doesn't think people should care about this, dismissing the concerns of the thread.
In response, it was pointed out that due to him being white, he hasn't had the opportunity to understand what it's like to not be represented, so he shouldn't be dismissive of how others feel about this topic.
You should just be quiet since you're white, you probably dont and never will understand. By default, you feel like that because you are represented and you dont even know it.
I was disappointed in this too. I think there's some concept art floating around whereI would've greatly preferred that. It even looks better.she has all the weird crystal hair stuff going on but retains the brown skin.
I'm at least glad that her true form is only a thing in the very last cutscene and they immediately give you the option to keep her default look.
The problem is that he isn't anywhere near as popular as Twintelle.
Twintelle is a French woman.fuck it, I am now campaining for MISANGO
He's black/brown, latino AND a native person, he's more diverse than generic American Twintelle.
I've sorta always associated Fire Emblem characters as Japanese tbh. Yeah plenty of the games take place in a more European setting, but I dunno, them being Japanese-like was just stuck in my head.I think there has been a misunderstanding, in the case of Fire Emblem and other fictional world settings, Japanese players/readers/viewers do not assume the characters to be Japanese nor European based on the language, clothing, mannerisms, etc. It's like watching Star Wars, even though I am hearing Han Solo speaking American English, it does not mean that I should assume the character is American, thanks to the text at the beginning, I know it is taking place in a galaxy far far away.
If Japanese players were having this conversation, right now, trying to decide how much ethnic representation that Japanese and/or Asian players get in games, would Marth go under "Japanese race" or "White European race"? Would he be viewed as being closer to Mario and Link? Or closer to Ryu?I think there has been a misunderstanding, in the case of Fire Emblem and other fictional world settings, Japanese players/readers/viewers do not assume the characters to be Japanese nor European based on the language, clothing, mannerisms, etc. It's like watching Star Wars, even though I am hearing Han Solo speaking American English, it does not mean that I should assume the character is American, thanks to the text at the beginning, I know it is taking place in a galaxy far far away.
Hhhhooooooowwwwww!!!!???I've sorta always associated Fire Emblem characters as Japanese tbh. Yeah plenty of the games take place in a more European setting, but I dunno, them being Japanese-like was just stuck in my head.
I'm dumbing down his entire reasoning for the way he feels because of race. YESYou're dumbing down basically his entire being into his race... I don't get that, and I don't think I ever really will. Yes his point was pretty damn ignorant, but maybe it's more so because he's, you know, ignorant on the issues? Literally dismissing anything he'd ever say because of his race sounds insane to me.
lol
He can but at the moment, it is what it is.
There's a fuckton. Of the top of my head you have
- Elena from Street Fighter
- Zasalamel from Soul Calibur
- Demoman
- Shadow Man
- Doc Louis
- Sazh from FFXIII
- Shinobu from NMH
- Dudley from Street Fighter
I'm black and I don't understand it either, so it's not just him.You should just be quiet since you're white, you probably dont and never will understand. By default, you feel like that because you are represented and you dont even know it.
Yeah I dunno. Maybe because Marth has always spoken Japanese in any game I've played him in, or that Lyn was the first Fire Emblem character I interacted with.If Japanese players were having this conversation, right now, trying to decide how much ethnic representation that Japanese and/or Asian players get in games, would Marth go under "Japanese race" or "White European race"? Would he be viewed as being closer to Mario and Link? Or closer to Ryu?
Hhhhooooooowwwwww!!!!???
Did you really take me posting a picture of Wario as an attack? He said he didn't feel represented as a fat white male who dreams of more. I showed him a fat white male who dreams of more who is in the game to point out that, he actually is represented. Even though there was some humor intended, it's far from being mean or being an attack. You seem to be more upset about our tone in responding to the guy than his total disregard for how minorities feel about representation and why it might be important to them.That last one especially is pretty damn mean. I mean yeah sure, we're all adults, what's a joke here and there, right? Definitely not a joke in good faith though.
I can connect with Link too. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be more diversity. There is an inherent difference when you have grown up seeing people that look like you put only in minor roles, stereotyped roles or none at all versus when people that look like you almost 100% of the time are represented. As a black male, I connected differently to the movie Black Panther than I did Captain America. Doesn't mean I couldn't connect to Captain America but it's very different and there is a problem when someone who isn't black tries to tell me that it doesn't mean anything.His post was arrogant and ignorant all in one, but at the same time I can somewhat understand him. I've "connected" with Link as a character for years, same with plenty of other non-brown characters. You don't need to be the same race to connect/relate to a character. I agree it helps plenty, and I'd love to see more leading roles by people of color (Just Cause is a great example), but that doesn't limit me in any way in connecting or relating to characters.
It really sorta baffles me too. Like do people think they can identify with Link more because they're white? Or with the Master Chief because they're white?I'm black and I don't understand it either, so it's not just him.
In all the time I was playing games growing up I literally never gave any thought to the fact that the fictional characters in the games I was playing were a different race as me. If a black character was available I'd be likely to pick them, like in Streets of Rage for example. But I've never actually cared beyond that.
I identify far more with Michael than Franklin in GTAV, because Franklin is a street gangster and is nothing like me as a person. His skin colour is one small part of his character, just like it is for me. I have no affinity with a character just because they're a similar colour to me; they don't represent me and they have nothing to do with me. And someone doesn't not represent the kind of person I am just because they're white. This idea of race-based "representation" in fictional media is just so bizarre to me.
Talking more established characters than avatars (Miis, inklings, villagers)
He's from a race of desert-dwelling brown people, but he himself is a corrupted evil wizard so he looks all greenish and nastyBut what color is gannon? I have always seen ganon and gerudo race (and gorons too) in general as the black characters in zelda.
Forgot about Doc. Sandman seems like a better fit for Smash as a Little Mac opponent.There's a fuckton. Of the top of my head you have
While you won't see Sazh and Demoman in Smash, the rest could easily get in. Posters ITT saying there aren't many black characters in the first place are dead wrong. No reason why Nintendo can't add them in.
- Elena from Street Fighter
- Zasalamel from Soul Calibur
- Demoman
- Shadow Man
- Doc Louis
- Sazh from FFXIII
- Shinobu from NMH
- Dudley from Street Fighter
How many humans/humanoids in the roster? I think that would be a more accurate description
If Japanese players were having this conversation, right now, trying to decide how much ethnic representation that Japanese and/or Asian players get in games, would Marth go under "Japanese race" or "White European race"? Would he be viewed as being closer to Mario and Link? Or closer to Ryu?
Hhhhooooooowwwwww!!!!???
I can agree, since I've also connected with plenty of white characters.here were a couple posts that stood out for me.
That last one especially is pretty damn mean. I mean yeah sure, we're all adults, what's a joke here and there, right? Definitely not a joke in good faith though.
His post was arrogant and ignorant all in one, but at the same time I can somewhat understand him. I've "connected" with Link as a character for years, same with plenty of other non-brown characters. You don't need to be the same race to connect/relate to a character. I agree it helps plenty, and I'd love to see more leading roles by people of color (Just Cause is a great example), but that doesn't limit me in any way in connecting or relating to characters.
Lyn (specifically for her character), I can understand (as she is Sacaean, which is like Elibe's Asians). Marth, if having not yet played Fire Emblem, I can understand (Though I, and most others, took this as 'hes the guy only in JP games so he only gets JP voice', but that's not something that would apply to the JP audience). But as soon as you open a Fire Emblem game and see any of the other characters, I can't see looking at any of those and thinking the majority are Asian.Yeah I dunno. Maybe because Marth has always spoken Japanese in any game I've played him in, or that Lyn was the first Fire Emblem character I interacted with.
It's kind of late right now, so I am not going to LINE any of my friends to ask, but that is an interesting question. I would assume, that most never would have thought about it until the question is posed to them. Ethnic representation isn't a big deal here, it is thought of in a very different way than in the West.
I mean