Fuck off with that nonsense.
Edit: oh, you're banned.
Bruh I'm born and raised in Brooklyn, NY and I still will say your post is bullshit in context to the OP.
Six Months At Riot Games by Meagan Marie (Sexism, Racism, Homophobia, Transphobia, Rape Jokes)
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Fuck off with that nonsense.
Edit: oh, you're banned.
Bruh I'm born and raised in Brooklyn, NY and I still will say your post is bullshit in context to the OP.
That's an utterly ridiculous point, though. That's like saying a statement like "Hollywood ignored sexual harassment because a lot of people within it were sexual harassers themselves" diminishes the efforts of the #metoo movement. I seriously can't emphasize this enough - the point you're trying to make is self-centered, deflective, and wrong.
There was absolutely no good reason for the gaming industry as a whole to ignore GamerGate the way it did. At this point, the best excuse that could be given is that companies wanted to protect their bottom line over doing the right thing, which still means the industry in general is fucked up.
I'm fairly certain it was the "er" man. I can understand giving the benefit of the doubt, but the context of the story pretty clearly leans into the fact that she was visibly disturbed by what she understood were racist and sexist remarks.
No need to be a jerk to him man. He was mistaken for certain, but using a cheap opportunity to get snarky and subtly call someone ignorant is just classless and lazy.
I've worked at companies with more employees than Riot and this type of behavior would not have been tolerated. This is a company or facility/office culture issue, which means management is responsible. People act this way because they know they can get away with it.
Not only was he not being a jerk, it was pretty tame dig at what was a dumbass hot take.
Agreed.
I mean, its easy to believe that this shit happens in the real world workplace. But that doesn't make it any better or less depressing/frustrating. Shit sucks. Good on these employees/ex-employees for speaking out against toxic workplace environments. Same goes for the Quantic Dream leakers. This stuff needs to be public so we understand and believe people when they say it's happening to them at their workplace.
I hate to say it, but these types of objectionable attitudes seem so much more ubiquitous among "e-sports" type communities in general, regardless of their level of success. Something about these competitive gamer communities inspires some trash human beings with absolutely vile social and political views to ascend to such heights of financial success and power that they eventually become tastemakers, so to speak, and that's where the real danger is; when vile human beings achieve a platform with which they can communicate their objectionable mentalities and messages, then it's all downhill from there. Just look at who we have in office right now and the current culture of "internet people" for an example of how far this gross rabbit hole can go. It's sickening really.
Stop playing the game. The only way they're gonna listen is with people stopping playing the game. And if you claim that you abhor the culture that celebrates people saying f****t and n****r left and right, now that you know Riot is a company where such a thing is flourishing, then you should stop playing their game too.
The smallest company I've ever worked for is 4 times the size of Riot. The next smallest I've worked for is over 10 times the size of Riot. I've never seen anything even remotely close to this in any workplace I've been a part of.
This has nothing to do with staff size. It's entirely on Riot and the turd of a culture they willingly cultivated for themselves
eSports has this problem because the industry is so damn insular and people who play video games for a living aren't typically the most social people. You still have body odor problems at these sponsored tournaments, how this still happens I have no freaking idea but you'd expect people to wash themselves and their clothes regularly if they had a modicum of social interaction with people outside their community.
When you cram all of these sorts of people from the top of the business straight down to the bottom, you seem to end up with the garbage we're seeing from Riot.
I can't think of a single really positive eSports individual except Day9. Everyone else doesn't push back on this stuff or are major tools like Thorin.
In a normal workplace, you have people with actual social skills. No one would be saying half that shit in a public space, if I created a "Bros and Hoe" team name and couldn't tell any jokes that didn't contain rape, I'd probably be ostracised from the get go because you're the lamest person in the entire building. That's what makes their whole "we only hire hardcore gamers who play X hours in World of Warcraft" policy so hilarious because it almost feels like they're doing nothing but hiring the worst sort of employees.
The games industry in Southern California especially has always been a racist, sexist, good old boys club. 10+ year vet.
This specific branch was actually in Dublin. But yes if the current conversation is any indication, the issue seems to transcend boundaries.
Pretty succinctly put, perhaps that's why I never go to public gaming events; I've never seen a more exclusive and insular community than gamers, well, except perhaps the average sports fan or avid politico's.
The result of "gamer culture" just being accepted over the past couple of decades. The kids who grew up playing Counterstrike, Xbox Live, whatever, while screaming obscenities at one another are now the ones making games. Nobody stepped in and put their foot down back then and the only realistic action for normal people was to ignore it.
There was a time when stepping into the real world after your school years, etc, would quickly make you shed most of your renaming childhood edginess, but when the professional world you're stepping into is staffed and run by obnoxious manchildren, then there's no need to change.
There was a time when stepping into the real world after your school years, etc, would quickly make you shed most of your renaming childhood edginess, but when the professional world you're stepping into is staffed and run by obnoxious manchildren, then there's no need to change.
Sports communities are generally very inclusive because a lot of it is ingrained in our culture, it serves as a perfect excuse to get together and have good food and drink. Same with politics, though things get a lot more heated because the seriousness of politics and the impact it has on our livelihoods.
They tried to open eSports up to a wider audience with those BarCraft events that were organised during the heyday of professional Starcraft but that sort of fizzled out pretty quick.
More needs to be done, all the hate has gone unchecked for far too long.
Gonna take me a bit, we had a thread here iirc.
Edit: here's the thread https://www.resetera.com/threads/ex-bioware-dev-on-ea-management-lootboxes-white-leads-me-a.1149/
The worst is this part:
Like, their studio has just been accused (by a number of corroborating accounts) of harassment, assault, discrimination, and an overall climate of bigotry...but they need to make sure they understand THE PAIN gamers feel of "a nerf gone too far".
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
Seriously? THAT'S what you decide to release in your statement? Know your audience I guess...I can't imagine the LoL fans would be too happy with the studio being responsible, progressive, or, you know, empathetic to humans. Can't have that!
I'm sorry, I meant no disrespect or to downplay the issue in any way. Apologies if it seemed that way.
Sports communities are inclusive? Without wanting to sound rude, I'm assuming you aren't a gay guy? Because they are anything but inclusive. When entire teams are being fined because their supporters are singing homophobic slurs at the opposing team it is not exactly inclusive.
Honestly, If you look at just about any game company photo it's basically all white guys, a few women (2-3) and then 1 or max 2 black guys.
As a black guy who has been in the industry for many years but could not convince any outside companies to give me a role as an associate producer for years despite being overqualified I can tell you that there is some serious discrimination going on. (But of course they all say they don't take race, gender etc into consideration)
I'm now working on my own game and getting offered publishing deals- so looking at this, I'm effing glad I decided to go it on my own.
As a black guy who has been in the industry for many years but could not convince any outside companies to give me a role as an associate producer for years despite being overqualified I can tell you that there is some serious discrimination going on. (But of course they all say they don't take race, gender etc into consideration)
I'm now working on my own game and getting offered publishing deals- so looking at this, I'm effing glad I decided to go it on my own.
Much of the tech industry insulating itself from professional norms of conversation is interesting. That shit just wouldn't fly in so many work places.
Megan VanBurkleo was my favorite journalist in GameInformer at the time. I always rooted for her where ever she went after her departure from GI but eventually you lose track as time goes by over the years. Fast forward to my first E3 and I unexpectedly saw her with my own eyes while she was speaking in an interview/playthrough of Shadow of the Tomb Raider. I stayed and watched for as long as I could because, hey, this may as well be the only time I'll ever see her that isn't through a viewing apparatus.
...sexism could have had her starve to death. Starve to death.
*uninstalls* ...just fuck all of this.
...sexism could have had her starve to death. Starve to death.
*uninstalls* ...just fuck all of this.
TRUMP SURE CHANGED ALL THAT!
Comments on an ex-Rioter's FB post. The ex-Rioter claims there was no culture issue, on the basis that he did not see any culture issue. That was already bad, but now one of his buddies (in green) is proudly Gamergating.
Is the person saying that shit ex-riot as well or just a buddy of theirs? Still disgusting, either way.
I edited out the ex-Rioter's comments from the above, this is just the friend. But it's emblematic of the type of discourse that I've seen on several conservative Rioters' FB pages, which has only gotten worse since Trump's inauguration.
And yes, for the trolls here, I am directly linking this to Trump. It's been real interesting watching these people deteriorate over the past 3 years.
Wow, this was in Dublin?
I'm from Dublin, live here, educated here etc. Never came across a work environment like that. Really disappointing to read this shit going on.
I'm from Dublin, live here, educated here etc. Never came across a work environment like that. Really disappointing to read this shit going on.
It puts into perspective that company culture does exist and it does propagate behaviour regardless of location.
