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OneTrueJack

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Aug 30, 2020
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Thought this was going to be about How I Met Your Mother.
The final mother reveal being a giant god dammit moment.
Big hot take: The ending to HIMYM is fine and in keeping with the show's overall themes and goals. It's the two seasons before the ending that are the real problem.

Keep seasons 1-6, condense Barney and Robin's renewed relationship to just the back half of season 7, two-part wedding storyline that doesn't work out, then the finale as it originally aired. Boom, infinitely better.
 

Garrison

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Oct 27, 2017
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All of it taking place right next to the dead body of their son. Like yes, let's have that little bit of color in there also.
I could only read the books until book 4, and only made it on the show until that scene. There was just a point in which shock value storytelling goes wrong.
 

ejoshua

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's absolutely HIMYM. Get out of here with GOT shit until you've watched that show, week to week, season to season. I was hooked, God damn it, and they fucking destroyed that show. I rewatched GoT, but Mosbey IS SALTED EARTH TO ME.
 

Lucreto

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Oct 25, 2017
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Stargate Atlantis episode called Sunday. They killed off a well liked character with an exploding tumour just to shake things up.

Jewel Staite took over at the new doctor which eased the pain a little but it ruined the show for me.
 

Eoin

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Oct 27, 2017
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There are definitely some examples from that series, but that's not one of them. Dany going ballistic on Kings Landing had been foreshadowed for multiple season before. They even had Tyrion lay out more basis for it happening.
This is true.

But that's part of the problem with that scene.

The heavy foreshadowing of Dany's choice would have been interpreted by most viewers as an ominous hypothetical path which Dany, as a character, was being set up to struggle against and sometimes be tempted to join, but ultimately avoid. For much of the series it's her main character development as she learns how to use her growing power and confidence to effect change in the world - and usually tries to make changes that are at least arguably positive. The boring safe path would be for King's Landing to be the final temptation to overcome - and although that would be playing out a well-worn narrative, it'd probably have been mostly fine. A lot of people would still be disappointed in such a prosaic ending, but probably most would agree it was okay.

The choice of having her raze King's Landing to the ground was maybe justified in a purely narrative sense because it was following a path that viewers had been warned about, and it might have seemed like a much more interesting choice than the boring safe one, but it was still the wrong one. It'd be kind of like if (to use an example from another cultural juggernaut that ended a key story arc at around the same time) Thanos had shown up in Infinity War and easily obtained the infinity stones, snapped his fingers, and then the MCU ended - there'd be a narrative justification and an on-screen build-up for that happening, but it'd still be shit. Generally in long-running series the warnings of a dark future - often repeatedly foreshadowed and sometimes explicitly prophesised - are averted, and Game of Thrones is now the best example of why that's the case.
 

Bladelaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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Big hot take: The ending to HIMYM is fine and in keeping with the show's overall themes and goals. It's the two seasons before the ending that are the real problem.

Keep seasons 1-6, condense Barney and Robin's renewed relationship to just the back half of season 7, two-part wedding storyline that doesn't work out, then the finale as it originally aired. Boom, infinitely better.
I'd agree with this actually. The dragging it out aspect is one of the reasons then end falls so flat.
 

OneTrueJack

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Aug 30, 2020
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I'd agree with this actually. The dragging it out aspect is one of the reasons then end falls so flat.
Yup. Robin and Barney was nothing more than a fleeting dalliance that was doomed to failure. It was never meant to last more than the back half of a season. The problem is they wrote themselves into a corner. Ted had to meet the mother at their wedding, which had to eternally be pushed off because the show kept getting renewed.

So Barney and Robin kept getting more screen time, to the point that audience forgot what the show was actually supposed to be about.
 

The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
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I lost interest in game of thrones around season 5ish or so. When it surpassed the books and the Sand snakes were basically like Showtime porn characters I watched one final episode, episode 2 or 3 of some season, said, this has gotten cheesy. And now I'm glad I never really continued. I always planned to pick it back up and binge thru until now most people just complain about the last 3 or 4 seasons and I think I'm better off having not seen them.

Bobby in the shower (King of the Hill)

😉
 

Sagroth

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Oct 28, 2017
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Since GoT has already been mentioned a bunch:

That episode of House where he drives his car into Cuddy's living room.
 

Judau

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's been discussed to death, but every moment of "Scott's Tots" makes The Office fundamentally unwatchable in hindsight. You can't even ignore that episode, because it's the most honest exploration of Michael Scott's character of the entire series.

And god, then Carell leaves the show, then comes back for Jim and Pam's wedding, and Pam is moved to tears because her old fuckup boss showed up to her wedding??

Fuck The Office.

edit: and I realize this doesn't really fit the prompt, because that episode did nothing to dampen the wider audience's obsession with the show, but it ought to have.

I think you might be misremembering. Weren't Jim and Pam married for like at least half a season before Michael left? He did show up for Dwight and Angela's wedding, though, which was the series finale.
 
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Yeah it's easily this. I don't mind Daenerys destroying King's Landing, there just wasn't enough build up. But the ending was such bullshit.
 

medyej

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Oct 26, 2017
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Since GoT has already been mentioned a bunch:

That episode of House where he drives his car into Cuddy's living room.

This for me. I still do love the show but the entire last season and everything from that moment is a joke. They just throw out 5+ season of character development and storyline for nothing.
 

Brinbe

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Oct 25, 2017
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That final episode, hell the first five minutes, of HIMYM was just a giant fuck you to the entire fan base and audience.

Heroes S1 finale is another good shout.
 

take_marsh

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'll be honest that the first time I saw this scene, I was like hyped as much as anyone. In the moment, I didn't even think much of the Night King or his army.

But the more I thought about it, and the end of the army to the north, the more I was disappointed in pretty much everything about GoT.
 

Annubis

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Oct 25, 2017
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The show was already being widely mocked before that. Some of my relatives didn't even watch that episode.
I gave up halfway at episode 3 (?) of the last season. The one with the night battle. I couldn't see shit on my TV and I was like "I'll download it later and run a brightness filter or something."
Then I heard everyone the next day talk about how the Night King died with one tiny weeny stab in the most anticlimactic scene ever and decided it wasn't worth it anymore.

Could you guys see anything in that episode? Is it just me?
 

jml

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Mar 9, 2018
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24: Bringing Tony Almeida back from the dead after season 5 was them screaming "we're totally out of ideas." That show was always over the top and asked you to suspend your disbelief a bit but at that point it got really silly in a bad way.
 

WaveBird

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Oct 29, 2017
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I gave up halfway at episode 3 (?) of the last season. The one with the night battle. I couldn't see shit on my TV and I was like "I'll download it later and run a brightness filter or something."
Then I heard everyone the next day talk about how the Night King died with one tiny weeny stab in the most anticlimactic scene ever and decided it wasn't worth it anymore.

Could you guys see anything in that episode? Is it just me?

I was watching it through HBO Go I believe and the compression was atrocious. Not even the story line but just how everything was portrayed, acted, filmed, was annoying me with the last season so I was already negative going into it.
 

TAJ

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Oct 28, 2017
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I gave up halfway at episode 3 (?) of the last season. The one with the night battle. I couldn't see shit on my TV and I was like "I'll download it later and run a brightness filter or something."
Then I heard everyone the next day talk about how the Night King died with one tiny weeny stab in the most anticlimactic scene ever and decided it wasn't worth it anymore.

Could you guys see anything in that episode? Is it just me?

I watched it on a meticulously calibrated projector in a black, windowless room.
But I also watched it on the HBO app.
I had to strain a bit, and I thought that I saw a couple people die who didn't, but it was just barely watchable. It looked nasty, though.
 

Speevy

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Oct 26, 2017
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24: Bringing Tony Almeida back from the dead after season 5 was them screaming "we're totally out of ideas." That show was always over the top and asked you to suspend your disbelief a bit but at that point it got really silly in a bad way.

There is a back door to the White House, though. Don't forget that. Actually come to think of it, after January 6th, 24 isn't so unrealistic.
 

Kay

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'd say Sansa getting raped in GoT was the actually what pierced the bubble Game of Thrones bubble, if everything else had been perfect after that it still would have brought down the shows esteem for many people.
 

Antrax

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Oct 25, 2017
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There really wasn't. It was more of each season's escalating pile of bullshit causing it to shed more and more viewers instead of one clear-cut "breaking point" that forced a large chunk of the fandom to flip at once.

Whenever the LOST writers found out people online had used their clever foreshadowing to guess the ending and, instead of being proud that their clues were picked up on by eager fans, they changed it is the turning point.

S2 was even worse,
They were like "if you remotely liked S1.... well fuck you"

My wife and I loved S1 of this show until the dumb ending. We just retcon it in our heads that they win and then called it
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Whenever the LOST writers found out people online had used their clever foreshadowing to guess the ending and, instead of being proud that their clues were picked up on by eager fans, they changed it is the turning point.
That implies they ever had a plan to begin with. They were making it up as they went along from day one.
 

Trafalgar Law

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Nov 6, 2017
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It's absolutely HIMYM. Get out of here with GOT shit until you've watched that show, week to week, season to season. I was hooked, God damn it, and they fucking destroyed that show. I rewatched GoT, but Mosbey IS SALTED EARTH TO ME.

this this entire show leaves a sour taste in my mourn
Yup. Robin and Barney was nothing more than a fleeting dalliance that was doomed to failure. It was never meant to last more than the back half of a season. The problem is they wrote themselves into a corner. Ted had to meet the mother at their wedding, which had to eternally be pushed off because the show kept getting renewed.

So Barney and Robin kept getting more screen time, to the point that audience forgot what the show was actually supposed to be about.


You kinda leaving out waiting us 9 seasons just to fridge and kill the mother , the mother was actually likable and wonderful and killed it for a relationship that the show hammered our heads that they cannot work at all and gave Ted the relationship that matched him perfectly
It's also fucked up that the mother became an incubator for teds kids just so he could have kid kids and be with Robin , it's shitty
Built Barney growing and changing , he and Robin were less whiny and annoying than Ted and Robin
 

sangreal

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Oct 25, 2017
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Since GOT has been beaten to death I'll say the final "twist" in the latest Veronica Mars season
 

Trafalgar Law

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Nov 6, 2017
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Whenever the LOST writers found out people online had used their clever foreshadowing to guess the ending and, instead of being proud that their clues were picked up on by eager fans, they changed it is the turning point.



My wife and I loved S1 of this show until the dumb ending. We just retcon it in our heads that they win and then called it
What was it again ?
 

broncobuster

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Oct 26, 2017
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Absolutely not the case as The Office is mega popular and a touchstone for people of a certain age, but that whole thing with the boom mic dude was really weird. Sort of reframes the show.

Probably not the case anymore but I know people used to get upset about DS9's In the Pale Moonlight. In general the questions on how it was straying from Roddenberry's vision for Star Trek and whatnot.

I think Black Mirror caught some of this recently and how Netflix 'ruined' it. That last season had the Miley Cyrus episode people were upset at.

The BBC Sherlock, kind of. It can be argued later seasons catered to one audience at the cost of alienating others.
 

night814

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Oct 29, 2017
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Its happened so many times it's a meme but anytime a flash villain just walks away around the corner from THE FUCKING FLASH. Happened way too many times.
 

Xterrian

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Apr 20, 2018
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Ramsay's "20 good men" shit. It's not the earliest example nor the worst in my opinion. I just wanted it to be mentioned cause man that scene is garbage. Showcased just how much D&D were going to jerk Ramsay off.

To call out a different show: I'd say The Fairy Odd Parents introducing that dog really cemented its reputation as "long far gone". We already had Poof at that point, which was pushing it, and then we suddenly get a stupid comedy relief mutt in a desperate attempt for new material.

He was so poorly received he didn't even appear in the final season if I remember correctly. After that FOP just became a punching bag to beat. A very large drop in quality. And unlike SpongeBob I don't think its earlier episodes are enough to overshadow said plummet.
 

Judau

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Oct 28, 2017
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24: Bringing Tony Almeida back from the dead after season 5 was them screaming "we're totally out of ideas." That show was always over the top and asked you to suspend your disbelief a bit but at that point it got really silly in a bad way.

Honestly, I remember liking that season, if only because Tony is my favorite character who isn't Jack. Even if Tony was replaced with a new character or a different character from a previous season, it still would have been solid, at least from what I recall.
 

Compbros

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Oct 30, 2017
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Not the public but definitely me with Re:Zero. Originally it was a campy, upbeat guy who would die and reset to a "save point" in the World. It was interesting to see how differently he interacted with characters after knowing a bit more about them (especially the mansion arc) and I enjoyed his earnestness. I'm just a big fan of earnest characters. That all changes with the end of episode 13. The series went from something I was really enjoying to one of my least favorite things I watched last year.

The MC, Subaru, had been saving his love-at-first-sight love interest, Emilia, through his deaths and re-dos without her knowing (if he tells anyone he can reset he will be punished/the person he cares for killed). He had be kind of messing up recently in regards to their friendship so she asked, very politely, for him to please not show up at the princess selection ceremony (or whatever it was called) and don't display his newly-found dark magic powers. He disobeys, almost ruins her chance to be selected, and shows off his power. He's in a bed after getting beaten up and she asks why he wouldn't just listen and he goes off on her saying that she owes him and she should be grateful for everything he did. She says she can't trust him and ends the friendship. He then does a complete 180 as a character, shutting out everyone and becoming cold and calculating until a few episodes later another character is like "I love you and I'll always love you no matter who you are" and he goes back to his original personality with no consequences from his friends, comrades, or Emilia. He and Emilia even share a nice scene at the end of the season despite him NEVER apologizing.

Never watched another second of it after season 1(outside a video for Youtube).
 

OneTrueJack

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Aug 30, 2020
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this this entire show leaves a sour taste in my mourn



You kinda leaving out waiting us 9 seasons just to fridge and kill the mother , the mother was actually likable and wonderful and killed it for a relationship that the show hammered our heads that they cannot work at all and gave Ted the relationship that matched him perfectly
It's also fucked up that the mother became an incubator for teds kids just so he could have kid kids and be with Robin , it's shitty
Built Barney growing and changing , he and Robin were less whiny and annoying than Ted and Robin
Even that I argue ultimately works in the context of the earlier seasons (let's say 1-6, maybe earlier).

The core theme of HIMYM, explored through Ted's journey, is whether or not our lives are planned or if we build our own happiness. Ted is constantly framing the story he tells his kids as the former. Always prattling on about how each random act brought him closer and closer to his happy ending with The Mother.

But even a glance at the actual content of the show demonstrates that's kinda crazy. All of the relationships that changed, the couples that broke up and got back together, the chance meetings, the random acts of happenstance, etc. The idea that was all preordained or destined is a little silly.

Which is the point. Because when Ted ends up in front of Robin's window again we as the audience have to ask ourselves. Was this a story of pre-destined love? Or a story of people trying to find happiness where they could in a world where none is guaranteed (as underscored by the mother's death).

Was everything Ted went through in the show cosmically designed so he could have a second chance with Robin? Or was none of it connected and the only thing that matters is Ted trying to find happiness here and now? We're left to decide for ourselves because it cuts to black at that moment.

That's the story of How I Met Your Mother. That's what the writers were building towards since at least season 2, if not the start. But the Barney and Robin stuff dragged on for too long and the last 2/3 seasons really derailed everything.
 

Rendering...

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Oct 30, 2017
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The beauty of Game of Thrones Season 8 is that so many different scenes could be cited here. The one that really got me was the Night King getting ganked by Arya, instantly defeating his entire army.

This sucks for many reasons. Namely:

- It permanently derails the main thematic arc that gave the entire story a structure and purpose beyond the minutiae of the characters' daily lives and their petty power games.

- It leaves the abrupt conclusion of this arc in the hands of a character who has less of a stake in it than just about every other major player.

- It all but guarantees that the rest of the series is reduced to a checklist of dangling plot threads that have to be cleaned up, to no real purpose beyond telling the audience what happens to characters x, y, and z. No greater message, almost no thematic resonance with the other seven seasons of material.

GoT's decline was such a shitshow.
 
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thediamondage

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Oct 25, 2017
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When a character kills another character in Picard for a pretty bizarre reason and suffers little to no consequence other than feeling bad.

oh it happens multiple times so you can't even tell which one I mean.
 

rjinaz

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Oct 25, 2017
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Whenever the LOST writers found out people online had used their clever foreshadowing to guess the ending and, instead of being proud that their clues were picked up on by eager fans, they changed it is the turning point.



My wife and I loved S1 of this show until the dumb ending. We just retcon it in our heads that they win and then called it
I thought the ending was sweet.
The island was real, Hurley took over, and then we get to see them all in heaven. It was very touching for me. I think most people guessed the island was not real, it was purgatory, and they were incorrect.
 

Shrennin

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Oct 25, 2017
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GoT was far gone by that point. Hell, just a couple episodes before that the Night King, the primary existential threat of the show, was singlehandedly taken out by Arya using some stupid ninja move. The show was definitely dead to me by that point.

This was the moment I determined the show was not going to redeem itself and the ending would just be bad.

There were plenty of bad moments in GoT before, but how they handled the threat that was built up from season one… I couldn't believe it.
 

OneTrueJack

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Aug 30, 2020
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supernatural- cas deciding to become god and open purgatory
I'm steadfast in my belief that season 8 marked the true downturn of Supernatual, but it was a gradual decline in quality. Season 7 is the last truly great season and by the time you get to season 15 there is pretty much nothing left of value, but I'd be hard-pressed to point top a single scene where it all goes wrong.
 

rjinaz

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
28,435
Phoenix
This fucking right here. I just dropped the show after this. I was crying with rage with this stupid scene. I still read fanfics just bc there they are happy after everything.

Fuck this show.
Didn't they have to write her off because the actress just got a sweet gig on Fear the Walking Dead? I mean I guess they could have had her leave somewhere with maybe a guest appearance down the line.
 

Daniagatha

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Didn't they have to write her off because the actress just got a sweet gig on Fear the Walking Dead? I mean I guess they could have had her leave somewhere with maybe a guest appearance down the line.

She was permanent on Fear The Walking Dead. But the "burying your gays" trope is lazy and idiot.

I saw some arguments like "it was war and she took a bullet and they didn't have the medicine" but I will always point out how in the 1st or 2nd episode a chracter gets a fucking SPEAR in the chest and survives.

As you said, there were other ways to make her leave. And everytime I remember this show I get mad.
 

Plinko

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's been discussed to death, but every moment of "Scott's Tots" makes The Office fundamentally unwatchable in hindsight. You can't even ignore that episode, because it's the most honest exploration of Michael Scott's character of the entire series.

And god, then Carell leaves the show, then comes back for Jim and Pam's wedding, and Pam is moved to tears because her old fuckup boss showed up to her wedding??

Fuck The Office.

edit: and I realize this doesn't really fit the prompt, because that episode did nothing to dampen the wider audience's obsession with the show, but it ought to have.

This did not happen.

Michael was there through and well after Jim and Pam's wedding.

He came back in the finale for Dwight's wedding.