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Should MCU Spider-Man have been Miles Morales?
- Thread starter Thornton Reed
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For the story they wanted to tell in the MCU, they definitely made the right choice going with peter rather than miles.
Of course part of the point of Spider Man early on is that he's a fuck up, but usually the balance is more in favor of him doing good. After Homecoming were JJ to come out and say "spider man is a menace and needs to be stopped" he is absolutely right.
Avengers should lock his ass up.
spider man also has a checkered history with how the public at large views him
No. But there's room to Miles to eventually show up in the MCU. That's precisely why I'm sort of two minds with his animation film. While it looks great, I think that making him an "alternate universe" Spider-Man is a mistake. My hopes are that when he is introduced in the MCU, he gets an actual personality. Also, I have a feeling that Marvel Comics is going all in with the "Spider-Verse" aspect of the character, and I'm not entirely convinced that's a good idea:
Source: https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/03/30/marvel-launches-spider-verse-line/
As for him getting a new name:
What about Miles Morales: The Ultimate Web-Slinger?
I think that's a route that they might take, I'm just not sure with the whole Spider-Verse angle is the right way to go. Way too much out there and Exiles-like.
Source: https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/03/30/marvel-launches-spider-verse-line/
As for him getting a new name:
What about Miles Morales: The Ultimate Web-Slinger?
I think that's a route that they might take, I'm just not sure with the whole Spider-Verse angle is the right way to go. Way too much out there and Exiles-like.
Spidey's thing was tgat he was inept and reckless at the very beginning and when it screwed over people he cared about the guilt hit him so hard that he opted to do better.
In what world is Classic Peter not perfectly represented by Holland?
Your not mad for thinking it, but I disagree. Miles best moments in the comics are when he's trying to live up to Peter and the expectations of being Spider-man. If Marvel is doing Spiderman for the long haul (decade/two decades), then they should establish Peter first, and then bring Miles in later on. It works best from a story telling perspective and would only help elevate Miles. They've already showed Mile's uncle, so I'm sure he'll be introduced eventually.
Agree to disagree. Most of the movie he's learning about responsibility, learning how to balance his school life and hero life, and in the end he did the right thing. He didn't have any Stark tech when he fought the Vulture in the end.
Spider-Man once broke into the Fantastic Four's building and wrecked some of their security equipment all because he wanted a job. Then he ran off throwing a fit when they said no.
That was his first time meeting them by the way.
So don't say Peter Parker has never been a reckless or inept Spider-Man. Because he has.
That was his first time meeting them by the way.
So don't say Peter Parker has never been a reckless or inept Spider-Man. Because he has.
This pretty much, plus to me Miles is too recent and young thus doesn't have luxury of having rich stories to pull from that Peter has.
Like what exactly is Miles other than being the Black Spider-Man?
Preach, I love Spider-Man 2099.
The movie wasn't that interested in the stuff that makes Parker interesting as a character anyway and were happy to rip concepts from miles wholesale so I think it could have gone that way and not much would have changed.
Instead of Iron Man as the mentor let Peter do it for Miles. Take advantage of the fact that people know his story
Instead of Iron Man as the mentor let Peter do it for Miles. Take advantage of the fact that people know his story
What do you mean by Marvel going all in with the Spider-Verse aspect of the character?
What does this movie rip from Miles except Ganke?
Nah, this makes more sense. Because actors age or die or get bored and want to do a different thing, it's better to keep some legacy characters in your pocket.
You don't have to do a confusing recast, and you basically have a pre-built story with the "passing of the torch".
Look at Bucky - introduce Bucky, make people like him as Bucky, and then when Chris Evans wants to leave, people will already be assuming they'll slot Bucky in there. No mess.
You don't have to do a confusing recast, and you basically have a pre-built story with the "passing of the torch".
Look at Bucky - introduce Bucky, make people like him as Bucky, and then when Chris Evans wants to leave, people will already be assuming they'll slot Bucky in there. No mess.
If we going to be cashing in on Black Panther, go in on Nighthawk
Squadron Supreme would be ONE HELL of a concept to introduce for a Phase 4. You could literally make them the big bad of a whole Phase. Think Avengers, X-Men, Fantastic Four all fighting an evil version of Justice League. Nighthawk and Hyperion obviously have spin off potential, and same for the Squadron Supreme.
Very early, classic Spider-Man sucked at being a hero. Ultimate Peter Parker sucked at it too. It's because he's been a young adult with tons of experience perpetually for several decades that we don't associate him with being a fuck up now.
No, he's a legacy character and really should stay that way- it gives what little character he has some depth. You really can't have him without a proper Parker Spider-Man first.
To me, Miles is more of a great concept and a bland execution situation that needs some sorting and fleshing out before he takes any kind of major spotlight.
To me, Miles is more of a great concept and a bland execution situation that needs some sorting and fleshing out before he takes any kind of major spotlight.
I'm fine with Peter in the MCU and Miles on the animated side, I do have a problem with "Ned" though, that was some real bullshit. You have nearing 60 years of Peter's story and characters and yet you give him one of Miles best original dynamics, not only is that shitty to Miles but it's a disservice to Peter. Plus he sucked, which I guess is the one silver lining to the name change.
I like even as a ground ass man he still fucks up, like being homeless and jobless a couple of times. Cause he put being Spiderman a head of every thing.
Finally get Spider-Man and don't use Peter Park? Naw man, Peter Parker is one of the most the most well known real identities in comics after Bruce Wayne but ahead of Bruce Banner.
Tom Holland's Spider-Man :
- Nerd
- Poor
- For every win he thinks he gets, he loses in some way
- Motor mouth with a bunch of stupid jokes
- Second guessing himself constantly
- Disappoints his friends and family constantly
Sounds like Spider-Man
- Nerd
- Poor
- For every win he thinks he gets, he loses in some way
- Motor mouth with a bunch of stupid jokes
- Second guessing himself constantly
- Disappoints his friends and family constantly
Sounds like Spider-Man
I don't think so really, he learns basically nothing from the horrific boat accident and then proceeds to crash a plane needlessly. It takes the "Peter is a loveable bumbling idiot" to "Peter is absolutely reckless and in different to human life"
The movie turned me into JJ. Clearly that should be a huge focus of the next movie and Peter finally learning caution and prudence. But they pushed it way too far.
Yup. All this. Give Miles his natural story, don't rush him in. Nail Peter, let him run his course, bring Miles in smoothly, which clearly they're already laying the groundwork for with Donald Glover's character. The MCU will be around long enough to move on to new generations of characters.
You watched a different movie, maybe, because that isn't a description of what happens in Spider-Man Homecoming.
Uh, Peter didn't crash the plane? Vulture attacked Peter, messed up, and Vulture destroyed the engines. Peter was able to REDIRECT the plane into a empty area. Am I missing something, isn't that what happened in the movie :/?
Edit: Just loaded up the movie and watched it agian. Vulture drove Peter to the homecoming dance, threatened to kill his family. Peter goes to the dance, see's the girl he likes, but realizes his responsibility as Spiderman comes first. He tells Ned to help out and try to contact Happy - Happy refuses to listen, Peter is on his own. Vulture almost kills Peter by dropping a buliding on him. Peter barely survives, and know's he has to stop him from getting superpowered weapons and selling it to villains.
Peter gets on the plane. They fight. Vulture crashes into one engine breaking it, Peter crashes into the other engine breaking it. Plane starts to go down. Peter refuses to let the plane go down and does everything he can to redirect it. He succeeds. Then proceeds to lay the beat down.
Idk how that can turn you into JJ. Dude risks everything to do the right thing. But whatever, agree to disagree.
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Peter's actions lead to the plane crash, otherwise Vulture would have just flew it off and stole all the goods. There was no need for Peter to get involved in that way. It's not like Vulture had some doomsday plan and was going to crash the plane somewhere and kill people. The plane crash is a result of Peter again meddling where he shouldn't have.
After the boat you'd think Peter would wanna stay clear of such things. Hell let the plane get stolen and then be like "see Tony, I told you" and then whatever. But nah 'I'm Spiderman, better bust up this vacuum seal and fight the vulture on this plane.
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You know people would have been disappointed not to see Peter Parker hanging out with the Avengers.
Miles exists in the MCU though, and they will absolutely get to him soon. Especially after Black Panther did so well.
Miles exists in the MCU though, and they will absolutely get to him soon. Especially after Black Panther did so well.
The groundwork is there for Miles to take the mantle after Tom Holland exits or gets older. Two spideys could definitely exist.
No. They finally got Parker right.
Plus, for most of us Peter Parker is our Spider-Man and if nothing else, the MCU is all about pleasing fans and being inclusive all at once. It's a balance act.
Not to mention that Homecoming skips the origin story and only leaves in the important stuff. Who Parker is and why he does what he does. So it's not retreading the same waters for a third time. It's not the same shit again.
Plus, for most of us Peter Parker is our Spider-Man and if nothing else, the MCU is all about pleasing fans and being inclusive all at once. It's a balance act.
Not to mention that Homecoming skips the origin story and only leaves in the important stuff. Who Parker is and why he does what he does. So it's not retreading the same waters for a third time. It's not the same shit again.
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Spidey shouldn't have been a kid. Doesn't matter what person is under the mask. That is what I believe.
I found him much more interesting when he is an adult like Spider Man 2099 or when he he is a journalist.
I found him much more interesting when he is an adult like Spider Man 2099 or when he he is a journalist.
No. But, I would love Miles down the line, Marvel needs to allow Peter Paker to have fun with his peers for a couple of years before attempting passing over mantles.
I'm pretty sure if arc reactors ended up on the black market a lot of deaths would result. Not to mention the alien weapons.
Is this a subpar alt?
He's closer to his comic counterpart than Tobey or Andrew were by a country mile.
At some point, but there wasn't an immediate danger that Peter needed to fuck with the Plane. If Vulture was going to crash the plane or something sure, but "taking the plane to some warehouse so he can sort through and sell the goods over a period of time" isn't a good reason to get crazy on a plane.
Retrieving stolen good is something that could wait, specially seeing as the last times Peter got involved with these stolen goods his beloved deli got demolished, a boat got cut in half... I mean how many catastrophes have to happen before Peter is smart enough to think "I should wait for Tony" cause I'm probably going to put lives in danger.
Check the date. It's April fool's day. Only explanation.
Cause "he should've just let Vulture get away and flood the streets with extremely dangerous weapons" cannot be an actual take.
I like the idea of Miles, but boy ain't got no swag or fire
Carrying the mantle comes with certain obligations and expectations
I mean, if the current direction is any indication, he won't be using the mantle of Spider-Man for much longer anyway.
It's honestly why I stopped responding. His take is so weird and bad I just figured it was a bad April Fools joke.
My recollection of the movie was that Peter didn't really have much good will left from Tony. Maybe it's an irresponsible thing to do (he is a kid) but it made sense to me that he would try to deal with the situation himself.
And it's not like he decided to scuttle the plane - he sticks to it, presumably to follow it wherever it's going, the Vulture spots him and conflict ensues.
