True enough, though I remember that episode being particularly egregious for some reason.
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Should Hot Rod really be blamed for Optimus Prime's death in TF: TM?
- Thread starter Uzumaki Goku
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Return of Optimus Prime had better art due to being animated by Toei and not Akom who did most of Season 3.
Yes because he was reckless and that costed him dearly.
However, people should stop acting like this single handedly ruined the movie and forever hate the character because of it.
However, people should stop acting like this single handedly ruined the movie and forever hate the character because of it.
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In The Return of Optimus Prime, Rodimus takes Optimus to Wreck-Gar to see if he can, but he can't.
This is more or less what they did in season 3, only they used those 4 headed octopus arm guys. It was technically a 2 part episode, but the 'fixing of optimus' took all of a couple minutes.
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There was a earlier episode where they brought back Optimus as a zombie.
It's a kangaroo court. The Quintessons are amused by declaring defendants innocent before sentencing them to death. They are seen visibly laughing about it just before Hot Rod and Cup are sentenced.
I was devastated as a kid, it was totally his fault. However it was about the best way you can do it in my opinion... Prime wrecks everyone, and only loses because of Hot Rod. He went out on top, but I hated Hot Rod... Hated...
Skip ahead.. My son is growing up watching it, and he watched it all in order. His favorite was Optimus, so I expected him to hate Hot Rod.. But the kid betrayed me, and he actually feels for Hot Rod and felt sorry for him. He even says he's his favorite character now...traitor.
I actually love his take on it. It worked perfectly for him.
Skip ahead.. My son is growing up watching it, and he watched it all in order. His favorite was Optimus, so I expected him to hate Hot Rod.. But the kid betrayed me, and he actually feels for Hot Rod and felt sorry for him. He even says he's his favorite character now...traitor.
I actually love his take on it. It worked perfectly for him.
Hot Rod saw Megatron's hidden weapon, and jumped in to save Prime. 100% not his fault. I'd have done the same thing if I were him. Sure, it doesn't work out, but Hot Rod did everything right with the information he had in the moment. Anyone blaming Hot Rod for Prime's death should be ashamed. Ashamed.
Yes - because the greatest Autobot of all time...OPTIMUS PRIME would not have been able to defend himself against Megatron without Hot Rod's help. After wrecking shop on multiple Decipticons.
The audacity.
Do you, seeing Hitler hiding a gun from Captain America, just assume Cap will figure it all out in that split second you have to act? Or do you recognize you have knowledge he's not privy to, and choose to act? I'd be jumping on Hitler, and jumping on Megatron, and if I'm Toad, I'm jumping on King Koopa, and if I'm E. Honda, I'm jumping on Dictator, and if I'm Louis Tully, I'm jumping on Gozer.
The world would be a better place with less guns and more jumping.
Pull your weapon on Hitler. Pull your weapon on Megatron. Optimus lives.
How is this even a question. Optimus had the gun trained on him. Even if Megatron managed to grab the blast he was at a massive disadvantage and would have been blasted to scrap.
Y'all just wanted Optimus to be your daddy as kids. Hot Rod rocks. :P
Rodimus is way more interesting as a character since he earns his leadership position, going on a proper hero's journey and even then he's more complex because of his reluctance to accept his destiny and his issues with imposter syndrome.
Optimus is as perfect (and therefore as boring) as Superman.
Rodimus is way more interesting as a character since he earns his leadership position, going on a proper hero's journey and even then he's more complex because of his reluctance to accept his destiny and his issues with imposter syndrome.
Optimus is as perfect (and therefore as boring) as Superman.
I don't have a weapon capable of killing a Hitlertron. It has to be a jump. Now, is it the wrong move in hindsight? Well absolutely. But it's unpossible to know that in the heat of the moment.
Greatest autobot of all time shouldn't have yelled out his plans for Laserbeak to record at the start of the movie, which directly led to the loss of the shuttle and most of those on it and in Autobot city, leading him to this situation in the first place.
Anyway, the original G1 comic adaptation of the movie (possibly based off a different version of the script, in this case the Decepticons landed the shuttle outside the city) had Megatron doing the exact same thing, but this time there was no Hot Rod interference, Megatron just grabbed the gun and shot Optimus.
Optimus had plenty of time to shoot Megatron. Hot Rod or no Hot Rod, he choked, and paid for it.
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Okay, substitute any other "Mr. Perfect" character of your choice.
The only two interesting stories Optimus was ever involved in were when he had to decide whether or not to bring Cybertron into Earth's orbit, or whether to leave the planet after losing his duel with Megatron.
Hot rods a punk. The store was out of Optimus primes that year and I got hot rod for Christmas :( Still sweet to get transformers though. He just became grimlocks bitch in my toy universe.
Just read the alternate reality transformers deviation and hot rod still manages to get autobots killed! What a bad luck charm that guy is!
Just read the alternate reality transformers deviation and hot rod still manages to get autobots killed! What a bad luck charm that guy is!
There are inconsistencies even in the same movie.
- Shrapnel appears on Junkion after his bout with Unicron.
- Snarl can be seen in a few shots but nowhere else.
- You only see two Cyclonus together once (when they introduce him.)
- Starscream, Skywarp and Thundercracker can be seen fighting Unicron.
- Skywarp and Thundercracker are witnesses of Starscream's coronation.
- Soundwave obeys Megatron's order and carries him to Astrotrain which is cartoon accurate. When Megatron is later thrown out of Astrotrain, the first thing Soundwave does is challenge Starscream's and the Constructicons' nominations as the new leaders.
I remember the death of Ultra Magnus was much cooler in the comics too, in the movie he's shot by some little flying ship thingies and Galvatron, but in the comic he's literally pulled limb from limb by tractor beams:
I didn't see the movie until years after reading the comic, and was so disappointed.
This scene was lifted from the One-armed Swordsman.
I remember the death of Ultra Magnus was much cooler in the comics too, in the movie he's shot by some little flying ship thingies and Galvatron, but in the comic he's literally pulled limb from limb by tractor beams:
I didn't see the movie until years after reading the comic, and was so disappointed.
That was the original version of the scene in the movie too. The Sweeps even fire long continuous beam "ropes" in the shot focused on them.
Robert Stack's VO also kinda sounds like he's being slowly pulled apart.
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Can you imagine them actually putting that in the film?I remember the death of Ultra Magnus was much cooler in the comics too, in the movie he's shot by some little flying ship thingies and Galvatron, but in the comic he's literally pulled limb from limb by tractor beams:
I didn't see the movie until years after reading the comic, and was so disappointed.
I don't think it could be as gruesome or scary as the dudes straight up melting in Unicron's stomach.
I had nightmares about that one.
For those that are more up on the overall transformers mythos, how does their species even work? Some Cybertronians are just on a different level to others. Bots like Optimus, Megatron, and I believe Grimlock are super juiced up compared to like a Bumblebee or Arcee.
I realize that Prime was powered up by the Matrix (wasn't he just like a worker name Orion Pax before he was Optimus Prime?) but what makes a Soundwave or Shockwave innately more powerful than a Cliffjumper or someone?
Do Cybertronians come in different classes?
I realize that Prime was powered up by the Matrix (wasn't he just like a worker name Orion Pax before he was Optimus Prime?) but what makes a Soundwave or Shockwave innately more powerful than a Cliffjumper or someone?
Do Cybertronians come in different classes?
Hmm. I don't think size matters at least.
There were numerous times in the series where teeny tiny Brawn took out Decepticons twice his size.
And Wheelie killed a Sweep by shooting him in the face.
Do I blame Hot Rod for his death, no. Neither did Optimus. Hot Rod saw a weapon and was actually trying to stop Megatron from attacking Prime with a hidden weapon. Don't forget that Megatron has, in the past, put one over on OP because Prime does see the good in beings, even the Cons (It is one of his flaws that he's trusting as a leader), and because of that it's likely that Megatron would have shot him anyway.
Prime wouldn't have killed Megatron, that's not how he is. He's a leader that gives chances, wants to give Megatron a chance, and they have worked together in the past regarding things that could cause both of them harm. So Megatron would have been captured but not Killed by Prime. That's why Prime Fans were pissed by the Bayformers version.
Keep in mind that Prime represents to his voice actor here in the states (Peter Cullen) his late brother Larry, whom he based the voice of Optimus on. So the idea of the Merciless killer OP is way, way wrong.
Prime wouldn't have killed Megatron, that's not how he is. He's a leader that gives chances, wants to give Megatron a chance, and they have worked together in the past regarding things that could cause both of them harm. So Megatron would have been captured but not Killed by Prime. That's why Prime Fans were pissed by the Bayformers version.
Keep in mind that Prime represents to his voice actor here in the states (Peter Cullen) his late brother Larry, whom he based the voice of Optimus on. So the idea of the Merciless killer OP is way, way wrong.
Hot Rod was responsible for Optimus getting shot. Awful writing was responsible for his death. The stupidity of that deathbed scene was only topped by the stupidity of Rodimus Prime's name.
Hypest part of the entire movie.
Devastator rolling up on Soundwave and his boys...only to end up in pieces seconds later.
What the hell kind of laser sound is "PAASSHH!"? Sounds like a deflating basketball. Howabout "ZZZARK!" or "VRRAPP!"? Hell, I'd even take "PEW!" over "PAASSHH!"Anyway, the original G1 comic adaptation of the movie (possibly based off a different version of the script, in this case the Decepticons landed the shuttle outside the city) had Megatron doing the exact same thing, but this time there was no Hot Rod interference, Megatron just grabbed the gun and shot Optimus.
Optimus had plenty of time to shoot Megatron. Hot Rod or no Hot Rod, he choked, and paid for it.
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I'd say their names already give them a leg up. Soundwave and (especially) Shockwave already sound powerful. Cliffjumper is benign in comparison. Then again, maybe they're named after their power level has been determined.
Hmm, are there any wuss-level Transformers with badass names?
Brauns bio written by Bob Budiansky who created most the bios for the G1 characters stated Braun was the second strongest Autobot behind only Prime
As far as how the Transformers are created there are multiple stories out there
This thread is great for a Transformers fan! If you do want to learn more about the characters and mythos I highly suggest Chris McFeely "The Basics" series
www.youtube.com
Great stuff
Chris McFeely
www.youtube.com
Great stuff
This thread is great for a Transformers fan! If you do want to learn more about the characters and mythos I highly suggest Chris McFeely "The Basics" series
Chris McFeely
Great stuff
One of my faves. Although I'm sad he hasn't continued his art of the Transformers series.
I said it the last time this topic came up, and my reply is the same. Fuck Hot Rod.
Underrated post.
Braun dies the easiest of any not in the movie though.
It's been forever since I've seen season 1 and 2 of G1, but wasn't he only strong in like actual lifting strength?
Yeah I just check. The transformers wiki and found this gem
