I didn't include Kena because it's not a total exclusive. It's even coming out on ps4.Kena looks amazing, more excited about that then Miles. The two questions are story and gameplay which I won't know until I play it.
I didn't include Kena because it's not a total exclusive. It's even coming out on ps4.Kena looks amazing, more excited about that then Miles. The two questions are story and gameplay which I won't know until I play it.
If you are picking one of these consoles up day one to play new stuff, neither Sony or MS has made the case. I will buy for the upgraded experience. I also expect many more game delays from both Sony and MS. This console gamer echo chamber we exist in that doesn't want to believe or understand that COVID-19 will massively impact game development is misguided. If you really think about it, we have seen very little from both of them, and nothing seems imminent. We don't even have a price or pre-orders available for anything. Maybe it's playing chicken, or maybe they are scrambling to finish. Time will tell. I expect a lot of half baked software at launch.
Or people could stop acting like preordering the console today would be any different to preordering the console next month, or the month after that.
Everything is a secret.If the Pro wasn't a loud ass piece of crap I would have literally zero interest in getting a new console this fall.
Like I get the COVID game delays, but I don't see how this affects a potential showing of the OS or the price reveal. That neverending game of chicken is utterly ridiculous.
turns out, its Not unreasonable to expect to be able to pre order a console three months out, or at least know the price. We are allowed to be vocal about it, no matter how much tone policing users like you try to use.
It can play every Xbox game better, but there's a ton of software in there to utilize that hardware that might not be completely ready either. Only MS really knows what state the whole console and ecosystem is at this point.It will play every Xbox one game better in some way. It will be fine, there are a million things to play on this thing, not to mention big third party games. No need to delay it. Its just the same as a pc. You'll upgrade your console to get better performance.
Did they start this with the PRO? Saw earlier pro was revealed/priced in september and on sale in november.Blame Apple for this. I recall a couple of interviews saying that mirroring apple's approach of very short period between price announcement and sale was intentional.
Its probably a good one for the broader market but will drive enthusiasts insane
PRO announced and priced ~2 months before release. No price til mid September here we come!The Switch had its price and release date announced on January 13th, exactly 7 weeks before it launched. That would put us at mid to late September.
SlipSpace isn't a new engine. It's the same engine they've been using and upgrading for a decade. Just as they did for 5 and 4 and games before.They were developing the new engine at the same time. The last game that I can think of that did this was MGSV and that game shipped unfinished.
Hell yeah. We all should hope Xbox gains ground this generation, not stay where they are or fall further behind.The best for all is, that this gen, marketshare is as much similar al possible, like 360/ps3/wii days.
It can play every Xbox game better, but there's a ton of software in there to utilize that hardware that might not be completely ready either. Only MS really knows what state the whole console and ecosystem is at this point.
I would not be surprised if MS is waiting to see just how solid the Sony launch package is (price, launch titles, and overall feel of the launch software) before deciding if they release the XSX this holiday.
There is absolutely no fucking way Microsoft delays the XSX unless for some weird reason they are forced to. They'd basically be gifting Sony timed next-gen exclusivity on all of this year's upcoming big hitters such as Assassin's Creed, Watch Dogs, Call of Duty, FIFA, Fortnite, Avengers etc. Just not happening.It can play every Xbox game better, but there's a ton of software in there to utilize that hardware that might not be completely ready either. Only MS really knows what state the whole console and ecosystem is at this point.
I would not be surprised if MS is waiting to see just how solid the Sony launch package is (price, launch titles, and overall feel of the launch software) before deciding if they release the XSX this holiday.
I would say delaying your flagship title would be a "weird reason they are forced to". You can also play all those games you listed on the X1X, which is still as of right now the most powerful console available for third party games.There is absolutely no fucking way Microsoft delays the XSX unless for some weird reason they are forced to. They'd basically be gifting Sony timed next-gen exclusivity on all of this year's upcoming big hitters such as Assassin's Creed, Watch Dogs, Call of Duty, FIFA, Fortnite, Avengers etc. Just not happening.
I would say delaying your flagship title would be a "weird reason they are forced to". You can also play all those games you listed on the X1X, which is still as of right now the most powerful console available for third party games.
Same. So many are talking about how they're so deflated about this next-gen launch, but I can't freaking wait. The hardware in both of these consoles is absolutely insane, far more advanced comparatively to when the PS4/XBO launched. That's all I need to know. The hardware is there. The games will inevitably come.Atm i just see when it happens. Its abit annoying but isnt bad also for me. Info drops when it drops. Wil see.
I guess we'll see. I think they're going to delay it in order to give the teams time to polish the cross gen optimizations, but they could just release it anyways. This is kind of new territory for them.It won't be the second the PS5 comes out. Microsoft can't delay the hardware no matter what. If the factories all explode and the boats full of consoles all sink, they still have to release whatever they have this fall.
Yeah it seems like I'm the only one excited for the SSDs in these systems lol. That alone is a huge reason for upgrading for meSame. So many are talking about how they're so deflated about this next-gen launch, but I can't freaking wait. The hardware in both of these consoles is absolutely insane, far more advanced comparatively to when the PS4/XBO launched. That's all I need to know. The hardware is there. The games will inevitably come.
I guess we'll see. I think they're going to delay it in order to give the teams time to polish the cross gen optimizations, but they could just release it anyways. This is kind of new territory for them.
That's not urgency, that's convenience.
Preorders go up same time for everyone. It doesn't matter when they go up.
I wonder if it's less a game of chicken a more a game of they don't want to seem tone deaf to the current economic situation. They may be waiting for other high priced items to be announced (new phones and other fall announced/released devices in time for the holiday season) before they throw in. Nobody wants to be seen as tone deaf to the current situations.Remember at the beginning of August when a bunch of insiders implied we were getting price reveals this month? Feels like years ago.
Communication is key and they have been terrible at it.This is what me and some others keep saying. But then people come running and say "be patient" or "why do we need to know price now" and "we don't need to know anything". Like we're 3 months away and we still don't know a lot about the next gen.
Remember at the beginning of August when a bunch of insiders implied we were getting price reveals this month? Feels like years ago.
Stop making solid analysis that makes sense to me, i want to believe in $399
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We need someone with experience to shed some light on this Albert Penello thoughts on this?
Could this really be a game of who goes first relative to the price or are we looking at something more?
Like covid affecting distribution channel or other aspects of the consoles launch?
Is the impact of going first really that crucial?
I really doubt it.
COVID will likely affect how many are available, but as far as price goes I believe it's all a game of chicken and that's it. All consoles from both platforms are going to sell out, so this is a long-term (and profit) play not a short-term market-share play.
Both companies know what price they want to sell the consoles for and did when they began development on them. PS5 Digital and whatever an Xbox Series S is, were probably both surprises to the other side. But the variables between SKU's and performance (and messages sent by both companies) are most likely why the other is waiting. Neither wants to be under-cut, and both would like to sell at the highest price possible. If you have statements from both companies saying they are going to wait, you try and hold tight to let the other guy go first.
It may be the biggest single decision of this gen - and it's a bigger decision for Sony than for Microsoft given the cascade effect on global price points. Especially when you can see reasonable scenarios that strongly favor Sony, or favor Xbox, depending on what the price points are.
As for $399 - I think it's perfectly plausible to see the PS5 Digital at $399 (assuming $499 for the Bluray version) and can come up with scenarios where that works for them economically despite the drive itself not costing very much. Recall the Xbox Digital was $100 cheaper under the same circumstances. So I'm still not ruling out $399 (and to be fair I've long been a believer that Sony would try to hit that pricepoint) but right now - all bets are off IMO. Anyone making bold predictions about price are just going to get lucky (or look foolish) since there are dozens of completely plausible scenarios.
Does that help?
For those confused on why 399$ works, it's because all sales become digital (through Sony/Microsoft platform) which means they get a WAY higher cut of every game without losing money to retail. Lose money on the box, quickly make it through the games (and once you invest in digital it become so much easier to spend money in stuff like Battle Passes and all that...).
Penello, why do you think all bets are off? Because of Pandemic and uncertain economic situations?
Oh so you're not even throwing out the idea of after-announcement price changes? That would be a bizarre sight haha. I still think it's better to come out with the lowest price points possible for the consoles right off the bat.There are other reasons but this is a big one.
When I say "all bets are off" I just mean that we are so far away from normal timelines and historical launch practices - plus the desire to win on both sides is very strong - and the booming game business right now - means to me that nearly any set of price-points - even HIGHER than expected ones, wouldn't surprise me anymore. I wouldn't even be surprised if someone announced price then changed it later after they heard what the other side was doing. I"m no longer holding firm to any historical norms around anything regarding these launches :)
COVID will likely affect how many are available, but as far as price goes I believe it's all a game of chicken and that's it. All consoles from both platforms are going to sell out, so this is a long-term (and profit) play not a short-term market-share play.
Both companies know what price they want to sell the consoles for and did when they began development on them. PS5 Digital and whatever an Xbox Series S is, were probably both surprises to the other side. But the variables between SKU's and performance (and messages sent by both companies) are most likely why the other is waiting. Neither wants to be under-cut, and both would like to sell at the highest price possible. If you have statements from both companies saying they are going to wait, you try and hold tight to let the other guy go first.
It may be the biggest single decision of this gen - and it's a bigger decision for Sony than for Microsoft given the cascade effect on global price points. Especially when you can see reasonable scenarios that strongly favor Sony, or favor Xbox, depending on what the price points are.
As for $399 - I think it's perfectly plausible to see the PS5 Digital at $399 (assuming $499 for the Bluray version) and can come up with scenarios where that works for them economically despite the drive itself not costing very much. Recall the Xbox Digital was $100 cheaper under the same circumstances. So I'm still not ruling out $399 (and to be fair I've long been a believer that Sony would try to hit that pricepoint) but right now - all bets are off IMO. Anyone making bold predictions about price are just going to get lucky (or look foolish) since there are dozens of completely plausible scenarios.
Does that help?
Oh so you're not even throwing out the idea of after-announcement price changes? That would be a bizarre sight haha. I still think it's better to come out with the lowest price points possible for the consoles right off the bat.
Appreciate the input!
Thank you.
Damn, the chicken wars.
I wonder how Sony would respond to MS delaying now, MS still have a console to reveal. They can't possibly wait much longer no?
Completely understand this, both companies probably know they can move units at a higher price tier and not leave money on the table but they'd also want to avoid a situation where the competition decides to do just that for market share.
Interesting stuff.
There are other reasons but this is a big one.
When I say "all bets are off" I just mean that we are so far away from normal timelines and historical launch practices - plus the desire to win on both sides is very strong - and the booming game business right now - means to me that nearly any set of price-points - even HIGHER than expected ones, wouldn't surprise me anymore. I wouldn't even be surprised if someone announced price then changed it later after they heard what the other side was doing. I"m no longer holding firm to any historical norms around anything regarding these launches :)
While I agree, I think PS5 Digital will be $399 (but think regular could come at $449, but $499 is more likely of course) the Xbox One SAD launched at $250, only $50 less than the $299 MSRP of the One S. You may be confused by limited time sales. Generally speaking, SAD has always been $50 less, barring holiday sales.Recall the Xbox Digital was $100 cheaper under the same circumstances
Oh so you're not even throwing out the idea of after-announcement price changes? That would be a bizarre sight haha. I still think it's better to come out with the lowest price points possible for the consoles right off the bat.
While I agree, I think PS5 Digital will be $399 (but think regular could come at $449, but $499 is more likely of course) the Xbox One SAD launched at $250, only $50 less than the $299 MSRP of the One S. You may be confused by limited time sales. Generally speaking, SAD has always been $50 less, barring holiday sales.
It's in the interest of both companies to not undervalue their consoles. The gaming industry is supposedly booming, so why do they need to sell hardware at a loss?Oh so you're not even throwing out the idea of after-announcement price changes? That would be a bizarre sight haha. I still think it's better to come out with the lowest price points possible for the consoles right off the bat.
Albert do you have any opinion on the rumour of Sony doubling PS5 initial shipments to 10 million to the end of the FY and what it might indicate?
Also Sony's profit forecast shows a substantial hole that wouldn't be there at $499. Even a $399 DE and $499 disc should mean flat profit so the big loss doesn't add up unless it is for something else?
I do agree there is no doubt both would love to price at the highest they can get away with and if they based it on reading price threads here they would have already announced $499-$599 pricing but the market doesn't work like that.
Obviously I'm not the person you want to respond, but I think that initial report of Sony "struggling" to keep it below $450 was flawed because I don't believe the people who would be leaking that info would have any of knowing what long-term discounts Sony gets for those parts.Albert Penello do you have any opinion on the rumour of Sony doubling PS5 initial shipments to 10 million to the end of the FY and what it might indicate?
Also Sony's profit forecast shows a substantial hole that wouldn't be there at $499. Even a $399 DE and $499 disc should mean flat profit so the big loss doesn't add up unless it is for something else?
I do agree there is no doubt both would love to price at the highest they can get away with and if they based it on reading price threads here they would have already announced $499-$599 pricing but the market doesn't work like that.
then I think 10M sell-in is achievable (remember that number isn't sold to customers)