not by name but they called it "unfair" when Epic announced the exodus deal
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Shenmue III is timed exclusive to Epic Games Store, backers PC code redeemed on EGS & no refund (See Threadmark) [READ STAFF POSTS BEFORE POSTING]
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not by name but they called it "unfair" when Epic announced the exodus deal
It's way more than a launcher.
And people are angry over being scammed, promised one thing and then told they're not getting it and won't ever be refunded, all while Yu Suzuki and Deep Silver laugh all the way to the bank.
I do not know or care about what involvement Suzuki had with any of this, if he had any at all. I don't blame him personally.
I feel like Ys Net might not have had much say in the decision to go EGS exclusive. But they're still the ones who failed to deliver and aren't giving refunds.
I was not being entirely serious when I kneejerked that we should fight Shenmue to death.
I would very much prefer just getting my refund, or even more preferably, getting the Steam key I pledged towards. But Ys Net is being fuckos. So I'm certainly willing to look at whatever options are viable for forcing this company to give us our refunds. Currently, I have absolutely no idea what those options would be, and would prefer if the path of least resistance, as it were, was the most effective.
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Feel free to explain it to me, because I've done a quick skim read and can't grasp the outrage.
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I agree for the most part. Steam has been namedropped a few times because it is typically the go-to PC storefront, but they promised the game for PC and it is still coming.
The one thing that fucking kills me reading this article is how they went through the whole laundry list of reasons for "Steam Fans" to hate the EGS, but completely skip over the 'paying for exclusives' one and what feels like a hostile takeover of highly wanted games, sometimes even at the last minute. Or not even a word of how pathetically barebones the client is in features./cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/16331091/Screen_Shot_2019_06_10_at_12.24.02_PM.png)
Some Shenmue 3 Kickstarter backers want refunds because it’s an Epic Games Store exclusive
Shenmue 3 developers previously promised Steam keys.www.theverge.com
Just another typical "the gamers are mad" article with a bit of sweet flavored sprinkling to hide the venom.
Or just incredibly lazy 'journalism'.
There's a "Report this Kickstarter" at the bottom of every project page, scroll down to the bottom on the main S3 kickstarter page.
I see some food analogies here already... it's like ordering non spicy food, yet they decided to serve you real spicy ones. Still the same edible thing, but with added spice. People on the fences will just say .. it's still the same damn food, it's not like they turned chicken into duck.
You ask for a refund or a change of the food, but the restaurant just ask you to shove them down your throat and enjoy it.
You ask for a refund or a change of the food, but the restaurant just ask you to shove them down your throat and enjoy it.
Honestly that's what gets me most here is this is the line for most people not a subsidiary of Deep Silver consorting with a ring of known pedophiles.
ya'll are high if you think you're getting shit from Kickstarter talking about fraud. That's not how they cook.
The staff post is very concise and straightforward. Might want to read it.
People that helped get the project off the ground aren't getting exactly what they were promised, period.
I think for many of us we were content prior to this with the knowledge that our pledges had gone straight to Suzuki/Ys net, so Deep Silver/THQ Nordic weren't going to be making any money off of us. Had I not been a backer, I probably wouldn't have bought the game due to the THQ connection. And now I'm definitely never giving another cent to Suzuki since he's scammed me with this.
Well there is a lot of backlash because people don't like EGS in the first place for a variety of reasons.
But speaking purely from a business perspective. Epic probably thought since people already backed it , they get an almost guaranteed amount of new users. And these are users who are willing to spend a lot of money and also a genre that isn't prevalent on EGS.
Epic need to make EGS a platform that is generally well-liked in the gaming community before pulling stuff like this. Otherwise it is just going to keep backfiring and everyone loses.
I don't want it through EGS. I want it through what was sold to me when I backed it.
And yes, if the kickstarter was live today and it said "No steam", I wouldn't have backed it.
Go to: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3
Scroll to the bottom and find the "Report this project to Kickstarter" button. Fill out from there.
How many other industries are allowed to do this? Sell one thing under the guise of another without refund?
Inferring from your snide drive-by typed with absolutely minimal effort to discuss absolutely anything, I can understand how you wouldn't be able to comprehend the complexities of the situation.
he's not arguing in good faith. He goes into every EGS topic and posts and people have laid out to him over and over again their problems with the store and every time a new topic about the EGS pops up he acts like he hasn't heard any problems with the store at all. Example:
Don't waste your time explaining to nib95, he's just going to come back next week and be like "what's everyone's problem with EGS"?
Never kickstart and crowdfund.
At least be an activist investor with some leverage.
Or use the stock market, where you have some actual rights.
At least be an activist investor with some leverage.
Or use the stock market, where you have some actual rights.
I mean you lose out on a lot of features when a game goes to the EGS instead of Steam. Cloud saves, forums, achievements, etc. Let's say you Kickstarted a car but at the last minute you find out you'd no longer get power steering, power windows, keyless entry, etc. "But you can still drive it!" We'll yeah, but it's not what I thought I was buying and I'm used to having that stuff.
Very disappointing decision. And further cements the precedent that games funded via Kickstarter are not beholden to their backers or obligated to fulfill and stick to the pretenses and promises made to secure said funding if something better comes along later. It's really killed the platform for me.
And I'm not sure why people are coming into this thread suggesting others are over-reacting when treating this with disdain. The whole Steam vs EGS debate is pretty irrelevant to this discussion. People chose to receive Steam keys when they pledged money, something which they are no longer receiving. I don't see how not receiving what you paid for is okay, no matter how apathetic or supportive you are of Epic in the PC space.
And I'm not sure why people are coming into this thread suggesting others are over-reacting when treating this with disdain. The whole Steam vs EGS debate is pretty irrelevant to this discussion. People chose to receive Steam keys when they pledged money, something which they are no longer receiving. I don't see how not receiving what you paid for is okay, no matter how apathetic or supportive you are of Epic in the PC space.
I don't like it because what if Epic decides a storefront isn't a feasible part of their business? Whereas Steam has been a storefront for 10+ years, and that is their main revenue source.
If Epic in two or three years decides they want out, what will happen to my game?
If Epic in two or three years decides they want out, what will happen to my game?
What's weird is, you're probably right here, but take a step back (like they should've done):
The third part of a series, started decades ago, with the first two parts not currently on EGS. The first two parts also look a little janky, and third part... currently looks a little janky?
That's not a smart business move when you really think about it.
I didn't back at a high tier or anything so I'm not really incensed enough to care about an actual refund. At this point for me it's more about making sure Ys Net and Suzuki are blacklisted from Kickstarter so they can never scam anyone again.
And then they say no refunds lol. Didn't the Metro devs at least do refunds?
Man... you know this situation is a complete mess when you see two really passionate Shenmue III backers who have supported the game tirelessly in countless threads over the years are so downbeat/pissed.
I hope they reverse this decision but let's get real this is set in stone :(
They will run out of money. They're throwing Fortnite money around to build a store that not a whole lot of people are purchasing from.
The max time frame for chargebacks looks to be 120 days unfortunately.
They were forced to because of Steam, even if they didn't want to.
Phoenix Point devs did it because, even if everyone refunded, they would "still be in the black."
Yea no achievements and cloud saves is a pretty big feature gimp, regardless they shouldn't be doing this sorta stuff on principal alone and Epic Games/Tim should have some morals and stay away from Kickstarted games, seriously go after any other type of project except for stuff backed by fans because it's unethical and no one should be trying to build a business on such scummy tactics.
I guess we will just need to wait and see which has the longer staying power.....EGS money stash or gamer's will.
Damn. Can't even get your money back, that's pretty fucked up.
The least they could have done. The absolute fucking least they could have done, is to offer full refunds to anyone who had backed for a Steam copy. The fact that they are unwilling to do even that takes this from screwing over their fans into outright scamming people territory in my mind.
I mean, fuck. I love Shenmue. I was one of the very first backers of III, back when Kickstarter was constantly crashing and showing the wrong total for the pledge amount because of how heavy the traffic was. As recently as 12 hours ago this was one of my most anticipated games of the year. And now I'm not even going to touch it. Suzuki has burned all of his goodwill with me in a single day, after Shenmue III being a dream game of mine for more than a decade.
Another possibility could be that PC Preorders are super low ( outside of Backers ) and Deep Silver just wanted to get a check from Epic to make it more profitable. Maybe the money was super small for Epic and they just wanted some title in their "Exclusive" lineup.
Also here I was thinking that my track record for messed up Kickstarters was 0% since I only backed Dreamfall Chapters
But then I remembered I backed this
But then I remembered I backed this
Yeah, this makes more sense, I think. I mean, I had a Dreamcast back in the day, and have always thought of buying Shenmue since then, but have I? Nope. I'm wondering if Ys were blinded by how vocal their support was and now DS are just wanting to cut losses in the most immediate way possible.
AFAIK there were zero PC pre-orders prior to this. Certainly, there were no pre-orders on Steam.
To be fair, while I've been able to play Dreamfall Chapters (I backed that at $250), I have yet to receive ANY of the physical rewards or the physical copy that was part of my pledge level.
I sort of call that a half victory. I think they're still coming, but Red Thread/Ragnar doesn't communicate enough for me to even know what's going on.
That was until they put Fortnite in the Shenmue III arcade.
Could happen?
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