Yep, said this in one of my posts in this thread. You can't show up in an Era thread and not know about these things. Get em outta here
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Shenmue III is timed exclusive to Epic Games Store, backers PC code redeemed on EGS & no refund (See Threadmark) [READ STAFF POSTS BEFORE POSTING]
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I'm asking for a damn refund. I understand games getting snatched up by Epic before they were announced but offering Steam keys to folks and then all of sudden go launcher exclusive...
And it's not just Steam, GOG users are effed too.
My sentiments exactly.
And it's not just Steam, GOG users are effed too.
My sentiments exactly.
FWIW, that phrase--in and of itself--is arguably a binding contract.
I didn't say Steam Keys weren't promised. I said that the fact that you paid money does not mean you were guaranteed any platform, because it's not a preorder. The money is for getting the game developed, that is what people are spending money on, not buying a game, and that money was well spent, the game is completed. In exchange, the company is offering free bonuses, one of which is a copy of the game. But you will still get the promised bonus, just in a location you may not have wanted.
People have used those exact words seriously. "It's just another icon". Someone even got banned for it.
Do we want the usual posters saying stuff like: "It is just another launcher", or "It is just another icon", or "consoles already do that." My worst one is "Steam was worse than EGS when it was released."
Feels like any future KS games will need to put at the very top **We Will not be a EGS exclusive**
I'll give you old school props for that comment ;) And you're right, I'm more of a Brian Moriarty guy but..
... for the reasons I explained above no, I didn't even do that. I
Sales originally were for Steam. There were surveys that were direct for Steam. Sure things can change but a new player not even a year old breaking an understanding between backers and the developer is bullshit.
And he was mocking that. How the hell did you miss it?
Thats not gonna do anything, Rebellion literally said their games wasnt EGS exclusive in this very forum and lied. KS is dead for people who wants games on steam, most aren't gonna risk it anymore. Rightfully so.
That's not competition, that's just anti-consumerism run rampant.
If someone said it for real, would it not be reasonable to think someone else might be serious too?
Apart from the fact they took money when Steam keys were promised too...
I paid $29 dollars to add a Steam key onto my pledge that already had a PS4 copy back in 2018. So yes, I'd say I was promised a Steam key.
It's definitely scummy, but I just mean people need to temper their expectations when it come to KS, it's not a pre-order, you might not be able to refund it, there's no guarantee the game will come out at all, the concept/direction may change during development, promised features may be missing because they miscalculated the budget, etc.
It's tossing cash down a wishing well. KS and the Dev/Pub shouldn't be lumped in together, and KS isn't EB Games either.
As much as I think that "hey, KS should regulate this stuff," KS exists to help people that probably *can't* get venture capital, so projects will inherently be more volatile, but that's what makes the potential for truly independent projects to thrive. If KS got more strict, then those people would be locked out of KS and would end up on some newer, less-restrictive platform anyway.
The point is, KS is a real Wild West and you need to do your research and roll the dice, and hope that whatever project you back doesn't go sideways. It's more about "hey, I like this Yu Suzuki guy, I want to give him money to realise his dream," than, "hey, I like this Shenmue game, I want to give it money to realise my dream."
No, because
Makes it bloody obvious he was taking the piss
Absolutely not. You have people who are understandingly upset about being misled, or paying for something they did not ask for, and then you have people rolling in taunting them 'Its only a launcher! Its still coming out!' I'm glad staff came in.
Granted, it was 18 years ago, but I am honestly surprised I'm the first person to bring this up.
This was a big deal for Shenmue II when it came out. It was right as Sega was starting to tank on the Dreamcast.
Shenmue II came out in Japan AND Europe for the Dreamcast, but Microsoft paid Sega to make sure that Shenmue II only came out in the USA on the original Xbox.
This was a big deal. At the time people started finding ways to hack the game saves from Shenmue I on the VMU, by changing the region flag, so that you could import a European copy of Shenmue II to continue your save file.
You can search and find plenty of forums posts from nearly two decades ago of basically this kind of discussion.
"But Sega needed money! You wouldn't get it otherwise!"
"The Xbox is more powerful!"
It didn't matter that it meant everyone would need to buy new consoles to play this game they were anticipating. And it never materialized. Keep in mind, the European release meant the English dub and translation was working. There was nothing to lose by manufacturing it in the states, expect lost Xbox sales.
The article and video link aren't quite aligned.
It feels like he suggests that sales have always been from console, but with Exodus it's growing a bigger fanbase on PC now?
Did it though? Considering they got a publisher that's pushed them to go exclusive with EGS despite having promised Steam keys? Also fuck off with the "another launcher" bullshit. I won't support Epic's exclusivity practices.
User banned (1 week): mod whining, hostility
And the mods are giving this guy a warning and not the actual problem in these types of threads. Good to know where the mods stand I guess. Maybe Epic money is trickling down to places we aren't aware of? What a fucking joke.
They did. What a bunch of morons. Damaging their whole rep. Yu Suzuki was a friggin legend of a producer and just like that he fucks all the respect I had for him
Wow it's actually exclusive. Any KS games that do this after getting funded with promises of keys on specific services can go and get fucked.
"It's just another game"
Some people are missing the point backers filled an ORDER via Fangamer. With a receipt. Imagine if you order Kingdom Hearts 3 from Amazon for Ps4 and you receive an XBox One copy. It's the same thing. This is nothing but a scam, plain and simple. At least people who preordered Exodus on Steam kept their game, instead apparently we are forced with something we do not want with no alternative. Even Phoenix something guys when they saw the shitstorm they promised backers a one year later Steam key in addition to the Epic store one on D1, instead in this case we have radio silence with the publishers posting links to redirect the blame.
nah. i'm just done with crowd funding. haven't backed anything since shenmue 3 and most certainly won't now.
That's not acceptable and a really shitty way to dance around the issue. I'm relatively confident that if Kickstarter was ever taken to court about this, they would lose. When something is offered in exchange for money - it doesn't matter that it's called a "reward" - there should be some form of consumer protection in place. I honestly can't believe people are defending corporations pulling the rug out from under people.
Steam keys were rewards and as so were specifically promised. Just like it was a figurine or any other backer reward.
That's not the same thing. Epic Store and Steam can be downloaded for free. You can still play the game on the hardware you own (PC). PS4 and Xbox require a console purchase.
Why because you and anyone else arguing that there was no steam key promised is wrong.
Backers were promised a Steam key, I don't and will not support Epic Game Store and shouldn't be forced to. This is a shit decision from them to do this.
To me this was him just saying that a lot of the people in here expressing concern are not even PC backers.
would you get moderated for doing the "square just shot themselves in the foot" thing
it's too tempting
urgh
it's too tempting
urgh
So, on the limited run stream they just said that (unless Im mistaken, if so I apologize) there will be 4000 physical copies total of the collector's edition on ps4, and 1000 pc. NA ONLY
Isn't that how every other Kickstarter Epic exclusive has handled it? Steam for the backers, Epic for everyone else.
To me instead is exactly the game. Like when you opt for a GOG key instead of a Steam one.
That's a forgotten /s on his part ( I actually had to check because I would have reported the post otherwise ).
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