but enough about Shenmue's budget ayyyyy
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I don't know what you do with a Shenmue 4.
If you conclude the series there, you're both limiting your reach to mostly the existing fanbase who kickstarted Shenmue 3 (and of those, some were turned off of the series by 3), as well as risking making a game that doesn't feel very "Shenmue" since the pace would have to be upped substantially, and all the charming dawdling you can do would feel less charming when the stakes are raised that much and that quickly.
If you revert back to the pace of 1 or 2 and otherwise carry on, you still have the "probably need to have played the other games" limitation and there's a good chance the series never finishes because it'll take forever.
If you try to advertise it as a the start of a new arc in Ryo's journey to be friendly to series newcomers, you risk annoying your core fanbase which is never a good PR move, and you still have to find a way to explain Lan Di et al to those people, and you're also committing to the narrative not being complete for another decade.
This is why there aren't many of these series with tons of necessary lore interconnected through decades of games, and those that do exist (Yakuza, Trails) have found ways to speed up their releases.
Not too sure about that, if you seriously want to advertise, you'd want it to appear hundreds of times per day/week.
Well, obviously, but it could be like a fun thing, like putting a loved one up there, etc. I would have thought it would have cost far more tbh.
Fire...bee, Fire buhOne of my favourite GiantBomb watches, that was truly amazing.
That's pretty cool.
From the many Shenmue threads I've read here (and in other places), most of the fandom seems to dislike the idea of a 4th game. I'm just wondering....is there anything that would make those particular fans change their minds? Or is there no chance of that based on how the 3rd entry turned out?
Nope. It'll get Dead Space'd. It'll probably flop again, and then the series will continue to not be touched. At this point there's no point aiming for a remake, that's the worst thing to do. Sequel + material that wraps up the series or nothing at all. Im not interested in going back over parts that already exist just to absolutely watch them never get sequels again. Now THAT would be a waste of money.A retelling of the first two games in one with more modern mechanics would make a great entry point into the series I feel. The story is solid, and the anime proves that it can be retold effectively. I just wish it's something SEGA would explore.
Sega would want money. Shenmue sadly is money repelant lol. Meanwhile you have Yakuza 8 and even Gaiden doing well and we already know another Yakuza game is in the casting stages (at least for hostesses) so its clear that's where they'll continue to focus. And I dont blame them. Go with what makes you money.is sega even interested in shenmue? pretty sure they rather make like a dragon spin off
Just hold up a cardboard sign at a wrestling match instead. Probably much cheaper for the same amount of global exposure.
That Shenmue 3 barely moved the story was imo a bad decision. Like rly bad.
I don't think he did promise a finale. He kept talking about the Legend of Akira book, which was the basis for Shenmue, and how it was this long saga, the story was in the middle of that outline, and not three games.I definitely like Shenmue III, but seeing how little (to its detriment) Suzuki progressed Ryo's story in what was presumably a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity where he was taking money directly from fans and promising some amount of closure left me with frustration at his judgement. I think this is a waste of everyone's time and energy.
3 was never giving closure, that's expecting too much on the other end of the scale. Ryo couldnt land a hit on Xuiying at the end of II, there was literally 0% he'd take down Lan Di in III. They could certainly have focused more on his training and getting him in shape to fight him sure, but win? No chance. Also, story wise its really unlikely that Lan Di was end game in the story, considering he's only one of four general level villains, and there's at least one or two dudes above him... All that in one game would still be a mess,As soon as I heard about that I was baffled. You get this one shot to do a Shenmue again, to give people closure and then you do that? Just incomprehensible.
I definitely like Shenmue III, but seeing how little (to its detriment) Suzuki progressed Ryo's story in what was presumably a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity where he was taking money directly from fans and promising some amount of closure left me with frustration at his judgement. This will sound hyperbolic, but it honestly felt disrespectful. I think something like this billboard is just a waste of everyone's time and energy.
Yeah I'd probably make the CYM leader Tentei, secretly Yuanda Zhu, since he was leading Ryo from the start, has this secret network, and was even sending Zhang to keeps taps on Ryo in in 3, but we will probably never know.3 was never giving closure, that's expecting too much on the other end of the scale. Ryo couldnt land a hit on Xuiying at the end of II, there was literally 0% he'd take down Lan Di in III. They could certainly have focused more on his training and getting him in shape to fight him sure, but win? No chance. Also, story wise its really unlikely that Lan Di was end game in the story, considering he's only one of four general level villains, and there's at least one or two dudes above him... All that in one game would still be a mess,
Literally cluelessThe only people asking for Shenmue 4 at this point, are these guys. And they should be upset with 3 enough to not want to revive the game further IMO.
Maybe they liked it. I don't see what is wrong with that. Everyone has their own taste.The only people asking for Shenmue 4 at this point, are these guys. And they should be upset with 3 enough to not want to revive the game further IMO.
As a massive Shenmue fan, I think the only way I could get hyped for Shenmue 4 is Sega backing up the development big time. "Indie Shenmue" doesn't make the cut (at least, not in the way YS did Shenmue 3)That's pretty cool.
From the many Shenmue threads I've read here (and in other places), most of the fandom seems to dislike the idea of a 4th game. I'm just wondering....is there anything that would make those particular fans change their minds? Or is there no chance of that based on how the 3rd entry turned out?
I still think Zhu is shifty. He's just... I dont know there's definitely something off about him. Plus its one of the things Yu's confirmed, that he's not being truthful/honest. Dude definitely has a bigger part to play.Yeah I'd probably make the CYM leader Tentei, secretly Yuanda Zhu, since he was leading Ryo from the start, has this secret network, and was even sending Zhang to keeps taps on Ryo in in 3, but we will probably never know.
Ok, first off, that's false. Because I still want IV despite not being a big fan on how III handled plot (atmosphere is a different story). But your post is somewhat silly because what it boils down to is "no one should want IV because III wasnt good". Which is laughable when it comes to video game sequels. Imagine Capcom looking at critical response to RE6 and saying "gee this got mixed to bad reviews, lets never make RE7 because of it". Its silly, if one can make a better sequel, they should.The only people asking for Shenmue 4 at this point, are these guys. And they should be upset with 3 enough to not want to revive the game further IMO.
I definitely like Shenmue III, but seeing how little (to its detriment) Suzuki progressed Ryo's story in what was presumably a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity where he was taking money directly from fans and promising some amount of closure left me with frustration at his judgement. This will sound hyperbolic, but it honestly felt disrespectful. I think something like this billboard is just a waste of everyone's time and energy.
No fan not even its creator is letting it go, Shenmue 4 is happening as much as Shenmue 3 did when everyone thought it dead.
The unhinged Pikmin shitposts that got put up there are more my style
LmaoIn Shenmue 4 the story progresses through Ryo doing his weekly shop and bumping into an old school friend.
I don't think he did promise a finale. He kept talking about the Legend of Akira book, which was the basis for Shenmue, and how it was this long saga, the story was in the middle of that outline, and not three games.
You're free to believe it should have ended with 3 but I don't think you were "tricked" either when Suzuki expressed he imagined it as a grand saga across China and they only dipicted Hong Kong. There is a repeated poem in the first two games "The saga begins", "He shall appear from an Eastern Land across the sea" which is what happened. I think they contextualised it in-game that 3 wasn't meant to be the journey's end straight after.I never saw anything re: promising a finale, but making a long-form game, you have control over how much you're able to progress it. You're the writer/director/planner. Given that it was an exceptional set of circumstances that even allowed Shenmue 3 to be made (and otherwise, a new game was long considered an impossibility), the idea that he chose to make minimal progression (I don't think that's overstating it) in that new part of the story is the problem. And the fundraising materials made tons of references to Shenmue being left unfinished as its "call to action," and that the new game was made in response to that.
Storytelling in general has myriad ways to convey the passage of time, or a wealth of experience taking place that's not shown laboriously. If Suzuki can only conceive of the Shenmue story in terms of having tons of game entries, then that's a problem in itself. If this only exists as a "treadmill" story and he doesn't have what I consider a "real" narrative, then I guess I was tricked pretty well.
You're free to believe it should have ended with 3 but I don't think you were "tricked" either when Suzuki expressed he imagined it as a grand saga across China and they only dipicted Hong Kong. There is a repeated poem in the first two games "The saga begins", "He shall appear from an Eastern Land across the sea" which was happened. I think they contextualised it in-game that 3 wasn't meant to be the journey's end straight after.
Exactly. I'd be fine if it concluded via an anime, manga, or something.just ask yu suzuki to finish it in a book or something to get it over with...