Killing Snoke in such a simple way seemed like a way RJ shit on Force Awakens.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan of either episode 8 or 9. I enjoyed them for what they are, but have a lot of criticism for both.
I think it was ultimately Disney's fault for having different writers and directors that didn't communicate with each other. Or if they did, someone wasn't listening.
Alien 3 would have been better off not trying to be a direct sequel to aliens. Just put aliens on the prison colony and don't heartlessly kill newt and hicks offscreen. Nothing was gained twisting the knife like that.
How though? TFA also clearly set Kylo to be more important in the narrative than Snoke too: he's the one that parallels Rey, he has the backstory that connects to the original trilogy, and his design is emblematic of Darth Vader, both in and out of universe, from the start aka who everyone saw as the main villain in the OT. While I don't disagree that three writers wasn't a great Idea, I don't think JJ ever viewed Snoke as anything more than a plot device to help justify Ben's turn to the dark side either.Killing Snoke in such a simple way seemed like a way RJ shit on Force Awakens.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan of either episode 8 or 9. I enjoyed them for what they are, but have a lot of criticism for both.
I think it was ultimately Disney's fault for having different writers and directors that didn't communicate with each other. Or if they did, someone wasn't listening.
Snoke was in TFA for all of five seconds so how is killing him the way they did in TLJ shitting on TFA?Killing Snoke in such a simple way seemed like a way RJ shit on Force Awakens.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan of either episode 8 or 9. I enjoyed them for what they are, but have a lot of criticism for both.
I think it was ultimately Disney's fault for having different writers and directors that didn't communicate with each other. Or if they did, someone wasn't listening.
There's a good movie there somewhere.I do prefer to forget TDKR exists. It's half of a good movie. The rest is so awful.
Exactly. Even in the prequels, the lightsabers aren't considered sacred. The Jedi use them because they're primarily defensive weapons, not because they're holy artifacts.I feel like fans have a lot more reverence for a lightsaber than Luke would. It's just a weapon to him, he's not attached to it the way the fandom is.
I can't remember if he's commented on Aliens, but he officially disowned Alien 3 after all the studio bullshit he had to put up with. The only good thing to come out of Alien 3 is the Making of Alien 3 doc.Has Fincher ever commented on this? Specifically his thoughts on Aliens. I figure he wanted to get back to the horror roots of Alien, but the opening of Alien 3 feels outright contemptuous of its predecessor.
Yeah, but I don't think he disowned it for the first hour. It's the rest that's an absolute mess.I can't remember if he's commented on Aliens, but he officially disowned Alien 3 after all the studio bullshit he had to put up with. The only good thing to come out of Alien 3 is the Making of Alien 3 doc.
My first thought.
BTW, because it feels inevitable: Anyone who would seriously cite TLJ in this thread has awful media literacy. TLJ is the only sequel film that shows any consideration for the broad themes and larger character arcs of the Star Wars saga.
I don't know, then the movie goes on to make The Dark World pretty important to the overall MCU.I loved the scene in Endgame where they roast the plot of Thor 2. Lebowski Thor drones on about the boring plot while each of the Avengers look tired and annoyed. The camera pans over to Paul Rudd's Ant-man who has a child-like gleeful smile on his face as a soaks in every detail.
I need a gif of it.
That would explain why I have his movies.
I think also that TLJ is one of the few SW related things that actually condemns a lot of the war aspects of the series- and that includes how glorified the Lightsaber is. It also goes as far as to have an over arcing theme of angry and violent solutions being inferior to more peaceful, protective approaches, rather than just go the Rogue One or Gundam route of portraying its action as brutal and tragic.I feel like fans have a lot more reverence for a lightsaber than Luke would. It's just a weapon to him, he's not attached to it the way the fandom is.
Accomplishes it hilariously early in the movie, too. It's honestly kind of impressive.Immediately thought of American Psycho 2.
It's the exact definition of taking the predecessor and shitting on everything it tried to say at every possible level.
Eureka Seven AO
Did you like the romance, world building and hopeful ending of the original? Well fuck you, everything is shit and nothing means anything and here's some bullshit mystery and time travel.
This is a good one, too. "Yeah, let's make a sequel series! But also, instead of a continuation, let's make it bad Evangelion instead!"Eureka Seven AO
Did you like the romance, world building and hopeful ending of the original? Well fuck you, everything is shit and nothing means anything and here's some bullshit mystery and time travel.
I never watched it because I heard it was awful, but I heard that they did a whole 180 and were like "no, the Coralians are actually bad like people originally thought."Eureka Seven AO
Did you like the romance, world building and hopeful ending of the original? Well fuck you, everything is shit and nothing means anything and here's some bullshit mystery and time travel.
Everything is The Force Awakens. Even The Last Jedi and Rise of SkywalkerAre you sure you're talking about Eureka Seven AO and not The Force Awakens?
Killing Snoke in such a simple way seemed like a way RJ shit on Force Awakens.
Star Trek: Picard. I'm pretty sure no one involved with that show ever actually watched a single episode of TNG.
Silent Hills: Revelation retcons so much of the first movie, presumably in an attempt to bring it in line with the game canon. I was rather confused and wondered if I was misremembering what happened in the first one.
Yep. The other obvious example I had was Alien 3, but that's at least kind of impressively cruel. American Psycho 2 just takes the most boring interpretation of the first movie and then shits all over it in a truly baffling way.Immediately thought of American Psycho 2.
It's the exact definition of taking the predecessor and shitting on everything it tried to say at every possible level.
But Snoke was always an emperor stand-in. That was his whole point from the very beginning. And the emperor stand-in dies when betrayed by his pupil in the throne room. That's not shitting on TFA, that's doing exactly what TFA set Snoke up for. Only it was done in the second movie of the trilogy instead of the third. Which would have set for something new regarding Kylo as the main antagonist in the third movie had Rise not backpaddled so hard that it replaced the dead emperor stand-in with the actual Emperor.Killing Snoke in such a simple way seemed like a way RJ shit on Force Awakens.
Justin Long's scene in Still Waiting is AGGRESIVELY shitty to the original.
No. As stated by someone else in the thread, there's a difference between not doing exactly what fans wanted/expected in a sequel, and actively going "yeah, no, that's wrong" to things the previous movie clearly stated and making fun of the previous film in the process.