People need to learn that just because you want something doesn't mean it should exist or that you should have it.
I am just saying KoF is in no way the good one to be used as example for good body size lol as it is one of the pioneer which popularized those super jiggly boobs and of course cloth damage.
Like... being better than SK or most Compile Heart is not hard lol.
Cultural relativism is bullshit. Japan has a gigantic problem with misogyny and objectification of minors. "Its just their culture" isn't an excuse.
Exactly.Also, pretending that japanese people is ok with it and it's their culture is insulting. There's way more people agains pedo crap, even in Japan. Japan is just really slow at changing, but it does.
you know idol otaku are considered creeps in japan too, right?as huge as idol culture in Japan would probably consider to be national wide creeps and needs to be changed like us Americans.
you know idol otaku are considered creeps in japan too, right?
i don't understand the "this is normal in japan!!! cultural relativism!!!" defense. nah, son. you'd be a creep in japan too.
It's its raison d'etre.The Senran Kagura title i played on Vita was fun enough, bit the exploding clothes, ecchiness etc did make me put the game down and never return.
Id probably play the next in the series if it rectified a lot of this, but i imagine a lot of the sales of this series are down to the excessive tits and ass shots.
They are much more liberal when it comes to fanservice, that's a fact. Same goes for most of Europe as well. It's just not right that America decides what's appropriate for Japan. What if Australia or Germany starts deciding what's appropriate for America. Or what about China?
Which is surely reason to keep an eye on this but not for concern if the things censored so far have not been objectionable in the slightest?The issue is Sony have not issued a message at all. And Atlus have not said 'there would not be any issues'. Just that there would not be any absurd rays of light where you cant even see what's going on on the screen.
Why is listing the bust size even a thing? I mean its obviously not done in western games. Why is it a thing in Japan?
People need to learn that just because you want something doesn't mean it should exist or that you should have it.
Which is surely reason to keep an eye on this but not for concern if the things censored so far have not been objectionable in the slightest?
And I didn't think they meant "Rays of Light" literally, more in the sense that they weren't being forced into compromises
there's a difference between watching idols on tv and being an otaku who plays games where you grope girls, including underage ones. that's considered creepy in the US, in japan, and everywhere where there's people with common sense.you clearly have little knowledge about idol culture in Japan.
like even AKB 48 was invited to attend the annual Kouhaku show,
the most important TV show in Japan that literally 70% of Japanese would watch during new year eve.
there are creepy idol otaku sure, and there are a lot of people who like idol just like a fan of a singer.
just one example of cultural difference, has nothing to do with this topic anyway.
The issue is Sony have not issued a message at all. And Atlus have not said 'there would not be any issues'. Just that there would not be any absurd rays of light where you cant even see what's going on on the screen.
It was such a vague statement on things. That's why many of us are worried. We aren't saying this sort of censorship should happen, we just worried about what comes next. If it stops here, that's all well and good. All we can do is wait for Catherine and see what happens.Which is surely reason to keep an eye on this but not for concern if the things censored so far have not been objectionable in the slightest?
And I didn't think they meant "Rays of Light" literally, more in the sense that they weren't being forced into compromises
Which is surely reason to keep an eye on this but not for concern if the things censored so far have not been objectionable in the slightest?
And I didn't think they meant "Rays of Light" literally, more in the sense that they weren't being forced into compromises
Mind elaborating?oh boy this thread really devolved into the expected matters.
that being said. even when most people are do likely not agreeing with the contents of the game due to the age of the characters and goes and side with Sony, lets not pretend Sony is only doing it cause characters are underage by game canon. this new wave of censorship is likely going beyond that and for that I hope many devs bail out on em cause they (Sony) have no real reason to be pulling this string.
you clearly have little knowledge about idol culture in Japan.
like even AKB 48 was invited to attend the annual Kouhaku show,
the most important TV show in Japan that literally 70% of Japanese would watch during new year eve.
there are creepy idol otaku sure, and there are a lot of people who like idol just like a fan of a singer.
just one example of cultural difference, has nothing to do with this topic anyway.
You're posting on a game forum which has banned the last game in this series. If that was your line in the sand, you wouldn't post here.People need to learn that just because you don't like something doesn't mean it shouldn't exist or that everyone shouldn't like it.
What you said can easily be changed for those who don't like things as well.
I've never played these games, but as long as rating boards say the content is fine and is legal, who is anyone to say what people can and can't like.
This forum has already decided that other people liking stuff, isn't a good enough reason for this sort of stuff.No underage sexualisation: Do not post images, artwork, figurines, or any other material, no matter how stylized or fictional, which clearly fetishizes or sexualises characters under the age of 18. This restriction also uniquely extends to discussions; do not condone, defend, or otherwise excuse the sexualisation of children.
there's a difference between watching idols on tv and being an otaku who plays games where you grope girls, including underage one. that's considered creepy in the US, in japan, and everywhere where there's people with common sense.
Censorshipgate.oh boy this thread really devolved into the expected matters.
that being said. even when most people are do likely not agreeing with the contents of the game due to the age of the characters and goes and side with Sony, lets not pretend Sony is only doing it cause characters are underage by game canon. this new wave of censorship is likely going beyond that and for that I hope many devs bail out on em cause they (Sony) have no real reason to be pulling this string.
you're trying to paint japan as a country that's, as a whole, okay with the stuff that's portrayed in senran kagura. that's pretty fucked, imo
Wait, so the test does not exist anymore? Now that you mention it, I have not seen this practice in new anime shows anymore. I remember seeing this measurement test in some "older" shows like Doraemon.Up until 2015 Japanese schools used to do standardized measurements in school, obviously female school nurses would measure the female students, but these kind of stats about a character are common sense, because they (used to) exist for everyone.
as in what? that people is defending sony censorship and justifying it? cause
Sony not wanting games with modes where you sexually assault shifting legal age girls
oh boy this thread really devolved into the expected matters.
that being said. even when most people are do likely not agreeing with the contents of the game due to the age of the characters and goes and side with Sony, lets not pretend Sony is only doing it cause characters are underage by game canon. this new wave of censorship is likely going beyond that and for that I hope many devs bail out on em cause they (Sony) have no real reason to be pulling this string.
The supposed reason they are doing this.as in what? that people is defending sony censorship and justifying it?
broad spectrum, as other games with raunchy content been censored without it being related underage girl.You claimed they didn't do it because of the characters being under age so what exactly could it be?
Imagine being a big enough creep to think disallowing the sexualization and assault of underage girls is a bad thing.
Get over this slippery slope bullshit. What do you think Sony is going to start censoring exactly? Criticism of political regimes?
i was gonna make a "defense of little anime girl porn" bingo but there aren't even enough arguments to fill one out. it's always "cultural relativism", "9000 year old dragon", "age of consent in japan" and "what about violent video games?".
you're trying to paint japan as a country that's, as a whole, okay with the stuff that's portrayed in senran kagura. that's pretty fucked, imo
Because that's not good enough? Mega eye roll.Lets not pretend Sony is only doing it cause characters are underage by game canon.
Yet there are games coming out that are uncensored with "raunchy content". A huge game two months back had full nudity and nothing was done about it.broad spectrum, as other games with raunchy content been censored without it being related underage girl.
Wait, so the test does not exist anymore? Now that you mention it, I have not seen this practice in new anime shows anymore. I remember seeing this measurement test in some "older" shows like Doraemon.
you're trying to paint japan as a country that's, as a whole, okay with the stuff that's portrayed in senran kagura. that's pretty fucked, imo
and that is also part of the problem that similar to what Steam used to do, the policies are handed rather inconsistent. we all just know that some raunchy content games are getting modified while other not.Yet there are games coming out that are uncensored with "raunchy content". A huge game two months back had full nudity and nothing was done about it.
sure m8, whatever helps you sleep at night, evil evil me.Your slippery slope fallacious argument is about as transparent and impossible to misunderstand as the games themselves.
Yeah, how dare Sony push against sexism and sexualization of women (and minors).
Mind giving examples?and that is also part of the problem that similar to what Steam used to do, the policies are handed rather inconsistent. we all just know that some raunchy content games are getting modified while other not.
It is the precise point you're making, no matter how much you hide it behind concern trolling and doomsday slippery slopes. But feel free to clear any misconceptions you feel I have about it.
You're posting on a game forum which has banned the last game in this series. If that was your line in the sand, you wouldn't post here.
And this is one of the rules on the forum:
This forum has already decided that other people liking stuff, isn't a good enough reason for this sort of stuff.
In my experience, either games are exponentially more mainstream than idols, or people keep their love for idols secret. Come to think of it, I don't have any Japanese friend who is into idols. Games? Absolutely, tons of people play games here (mostly on their phones, granted) and I just saw a Super Smash Bros. commercial on my train home. I would absolutely say being the kind of idol fan who obsesses over a girl's "size" and buys dozens of CDs in order to meet his favorite idol is not seen as normal here.Right or wrong, but people who are overly invested in an idol group and people who spend lots of money on video games are on the same level.
about games with objectionable content, or objectionable content towards underage girls??
whats with you? all your argument is "SLIPPERY SLOP YOU OPINION IS WRONG!!"It is the precise point you're making, no matter how much you hide it behind concern trolling and doomsday slippery slopes. But feel free to clear any misconceptions you feel I have about it.
Okay, after I especifically said that I don't care about these games and I have mentioned several times in the past that I don't like this "genre" in particular?
Really?
whats with you? all your argument is "SLIPPERY SLOP YOU OPINION IS WRONG!!"
What does your (stated) personal opinion on the game have to do with the actual argument you're making? I don't care about the former in the least.
I don't think this is a particularly fair statement without knowing the full reasoning. My internalised understanding is that for a game to be released worldwide that needs to be understood across all regions. I don't think any region gets off from this ask.Aside from that, I agree Sony need to release the rules because it makes things clear. They also need to open a Japanese office for the Devs to submit their games in Japanese.
i was gonna make a "defense of little anime girl porn" bingo but there aren't even enough arguments to fill one out. it's always "cultural relativism", "9000 year old dragon", "age of consent in japan" and "what about violent video games?".
you're trying to paint japan as a country that's, as a whole, okay with the stuff that's portrayed in senran kagura. that's pretty fucked, imo