So true. Civic engagement is more than just casting your vote. It's contacting and putting pressure on your representatives. It also includes getting involved at the local level with the party, and pushing to make it more progressive.The issue comes from the inability of our educational system to teach basic civics in school. I've noticed a lot of people don't know basic government functions; yet, they are quick to get angry, when things don't go their way. It's depressing.
What we have now is the result of a 50/50 Senate. We are lucky to be getting covid relief at this point.
Sounding like it'll also include a tax incentive for small businesses that pay more. Which, if Manchin's complaint on that end is that $15 would cost them too much to operate (most true in his state, if anything), then that would solve that issue for him. So, yeah, I could see it getting Manchin's support, and maybe a few pub jackals.Most Likely, this will be for large companies and not a federal mandate for everyone. Remember, the Republican talking point was that small businesses couldn't support a $15 hike.
This kills that completely.
My blue votes in Virginia aren't related to senators from West Virginia and Arizona being shitheads.
Exactly, but you know....They are literally working on the covid 19 bill right now. Everyone wanted the useless theatrics of the Impeachment trial. Everyone knew that would delay things. Negative threads aren't banned. Bullshit threads are.
So explain this to me Era. You have two options in 2022 if Dems are not able to pass important legislation.
Option 1: vote Dem and try to get more Senate seats so that shit gets done
Option 2: give up and don't vote, leaving room for the Reps to get more seats
Seriously, why is people's reaction to "Dems don't have enough votes in Senate" to give up on the party, stop voting and leave Reps in power? Makes no sense.
It's why Republicans continue to win elections. A few things don't go right for a person who voted democrat and they just throw their hands up and bail.Because they are entitled. They think that their one time voting should be the end all be all.
Obstructing is easier than progress.Its funny the only party that can get things done is the party intent on destroying democracy.
Not only can Republicans can obstruct, they can pass anything they set their mind to because their party has been conditioned to not reach across the aisle.
To be fair, the other party consistently states "We need a strong Republican Party".Its funny the only party that can get things done is the party intent on destroying democracy.
Not a damn thing. The only thing Republicans did was pass a tax cut for the rich, which was through reconciliation. Republicans don't govern; they just obstruct.
FYI I believe that this may take any income tax changes off the table for the year.
They would need to focus on trying a budge reconciliation on taxes in 2022
Because they are entitled. They think that their one time voting should be the end all be all.
The issue with this binary view is that the government in general, and especially the Senate in particular, isn't as binary as "IN POWER / OUT OF POWER." A 50+VP majority in the Senate is not at all the same as a 53 or 54 seat majority. This parliamentarian thing wouldn't be an issue if people had voted 53-54 Dems into the Senate instead of 50 + VP.People aren't entitled. They want their lives to be better in this shithole country. If the dems continually promise to do that, but don't what motivation should anyone have to vote for them? A vague promise of "this time we mean it ya'll"? Nobody will fucking believe them. You can only cry wolf so many times before that shit stops working.
The issue with this binary view is that the government in general, and especially the Senate in particular, isn't as binary as "IN POWER / OUT OF POWER." A 50+VP majority in the Senate is not at all the same as a 53 or 54 seat majority. This parliamentarian thing wouldn't be an issue if people had voted 53-54 Dems into the Senate instead of 50 + VP.
Sinema and Manchin are shitheads if they let progress die at the feet of the filibuster, yes, but Sinema and Manchin being shitheads only matters because voters in Maine, North Carolina, Iowa, South Carolina, Texas, etc. sent Republicans to the senate instead of the vastly superior Democratic senate candidate.
Why would I stop supporting my local representative because a representative from a different place is shitty?
You didn't respond to a single thing I actually wrote."You dummys just didn't VOTE hard enough. Now try again and maybe we'll let you have a $15 minimum wage by 2030"
really how come the ACA appeal didnt pass? and besides trump tax cuts what else did they pass? I swear some of you are such defeatists you just immediately make shit up in your head cannon to justify your defeatism.Not only can Republicans can obstruct, they can pass anything they set their mind to because their constituents have been conditioned to expect them to not reach across the aisle.
There is plenty of entitlement. People have the attitude that all they have to do is vote, and they should instantly get everything they want. Civic engagement is more than just voting. It requires organizing, and pressuring the party from within and without to get what we want. We are in this spot because it's a 50-50 Senate. If we would have won even just two more seats, then we'd be in a much better spot.People aren't entitled. They want their lives to be better in this shithole country. If the dems continually promise to do that, but don't what motivation should anyone have to vote for them? A vague promise of "this time we mean it ya'll"? Nobody will fucking believe them. You can only cry wolf so many times before that shit stops working.
People risked their lives to vote in record numbers and give the Dems the slight majority. The least the Dems can do is fight for us, which right now means convincing two dumbass senators to nuke the filibuster. How do you think the Dems won Georgia? Exactly how you said. Now the ball is in the Dems court.There is plenty of entitlement. People have the attitude that all they have to do is vote, and they should instantly get everything they want. Civic engagement is more than just voting. It requires organizing, and pressuring the party from within and without to get what we want. We are in this spot because it's a 50-50 Senate. If we would have won even just two more seats, then we'd be in a much better spot.
There is plenty of entitlement. People have the attitude that all they have to do is vote, and they should instantly get everything they want. Civic engagement is more than just voting. It requires organizing, and pressuring the party from within and without to get what we want. We are in this spot because it's a 50-50 Senate. If we would have won even just two more seats, then we'd be in a much better spot.
There is plenty of entitlement. People have the attitude that all they have to do is vote, and they should instantly get everything they want. Civic engagement is more than just voting. It requires organizing, and pressuring the party from within and without to get what we want. We are in this spot because it's a 50-50 Senate. If we would have won even just two more seats, then we'd be in a much better spot.
"You dummys just didn't VOTE hard enough. Now try again and maybe we'll let you have a $15 minimum wage by 2030"
BURN. Got'em.
People aren't entitled. They want their lives to be better in this shithole country. If the dems continually promise to do that, but don't what motivation should anyone have to vote for them? A vague promise of "this time we mean it ya'll"? Nobody will fucking believe them. You can only cry wolf so many times before that shit stops working.
People risked their lives to vote in record numbers and give the Dems the slight majority. The least the Dems can do is fight for us, which right now means convincing two dumbass senators to nuke the filibuster. How do you think the Dems won Georgia? Exactly how you said. Now the ball is in the Dems court.
Can they, though? Cause, the only legislative achievement of Trump's presidency is the tax cuts.Not only can Republicans can obstruct, they can pass anything they set their mind to because their constituents have been conditioned to expect them to not reach across the aisle.
Again...I wish someone smarter than me would create an American Civics 101 thread on this forum. The constant "Dems have a majority so why isn't shit getting done" posts are abundant.
Yes, more people should have voted blue in Maine, South Carolina, North Carolina, Texas, Montana, and a number of other states so that there would have been a larger buffer so things wouldn't come down to one Senator tanking simple majority votes.
I don't care about the GOP. We risked our lives to give the Dems the slight majority. All I demand is that they fight for our rights. Our right to vote, our right to protect LGBTQ people, our right to better healthcare.How do you think the Dems lost Maine, Iowa, and NC? Republicans, rich and poor, risked their lives to vote in record numbers in those states to prevent Dems from getting to 52 or 53 mostly on "own the libs" and cultural war sentiments while their lives were not materially improved by the GOP.. This is the *relative* entitlement that is being talked about.
Yeah, not understanding how government works can make this shit all seem pointless, so I understand the frustrations. I doubt Dem turnout at the ballot box would be better if they just campaigned on "I will try my best to get shit done in this system." Candidates have to have something to shoot for.Yeah, sounds like the type of shit I used to post on GAF when I was 17.
Do you think they are actively fighting against this?I don't care about the GOP. We risked our lives to give the Dems the slight majority. All I demand is that they fight for our rights. Our right to vote, our right to protect LGBTQ people, our right to better healthcare.
Yeah, that would be good considering how so much of this site has involved U.S. political discussion.Again...I wish someone smarter than me would create an American Civics 101 thread on this forum. The constant "Dems have a majority so why isn't shit getting done" posts are abundant.
I think most people here understand just a majority is not enough, they just don't like that we're not a unified front on an objectively good issueAgain...I wish someone smarter than me would create an American Civics 101 thread on this forum. The constant "Dems have a majority so why isn't shit getting done" posts are abundant.
I don't care about the GOP. We risked our lives to give the Dems the slight majority. All I demand is that they fight for our rights. Our right to vote, our right to protect LGBTQ people, our right to better healthcare.
I don't care about the GOP. We risked our lives to give the Dems the slight majority. All I demand is that they fight for our rights. Our right to vote, our right to protect LGBTQ people, our right to better healthcare.
They're not fighting against it, but they're not fighting for it right now. We all know that theyonly way to pass meaningful legislation these two years is to nuke the filibuster. There's no other choice. My question is what are we waiting for. Start trying to convince Manchin and Sinema to vote for it.
US House of Representatives passes Equality Act, moves to US Senate 224-206
Wonder if this or the Rescue Plan reaches Biden's desk first. Both are very important legislative achievements. The 3 Republicans who voted for the bill:www.resetera.com
Is this not happening?