B-Dubs

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https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...rett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez

As Senate Republicans press for a swift vote to confirm Brett Kavanaugh, President Trump's nominee to the Supreme Court, Senate Democrats are investigating a new allegation of sexual misconduct against Kavanaugh. The claim dates to the 1983-84 academic school year, when Kavanaugh was a freshman at Yale University. The offices of at least four Democratic senators have received information about the allegation, and at least two have begun investigating it. Senior Republican staffers also learned of the allegation last week and, in conversations with The New Yorker, expressed concern about its potential impact on Kavanaugh's nomination. Soon after, Senate Republicans issued renewed calls to accelerate the timing of a committee vote. The Democratic Senate offices reviewing the allegations believe that they merit further investigation. "This is another serious, credible, and disturbing allegation against Brett Kavanagh. It should be fully investigated," Senator Mazie Hirono, of Hawaii, said. An aide in one of the other Senate offices added, "These allegations seem credible, and we're taking them very seriously. If established, they're clearly disqualifying."

The woman at the center of the story, Deborah Ramirez, who is fifty-three, attended Yale with Kavanaugh, where she studied sociology and psychology. Later, she spent years working for an organization that supports victims of domestic violence. The New Yorker contacted Ramirez after learning of her possible involvement in an incident involving Kavanaugh. The allegation was also conveyed to Democratic senators by a civil-rights lawyer. For Ramirez, the sudden attention has been unwelcome, and prompted difficult choices. She was at first hesitant to speak publicly, partly because her memories contained gaps because she had been drinking at the time of the alleged incident. In her initial conversations with The New Yorker, she was reluctant to characterize Kavanaugh's role in the alleged incident with certainty. After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez said that she felt confident enough of her recollections to say that she remembers Kavanaugh had exposed himself at a drunken dormitory party, thrust his penis in her face, and caused her to touch it without her consent as she pushed him away. Ramirez is now calling for the F.B.I. to investigate Kavanaugh's role in the incident. "I would think an F.B.I. investigation would be warranted," she said.

In a statement, Kavanaugh wrote, "This alleged event from 35 years ago did not happen. The people who knew me then know that this did not happen, and have said so. This is a smear, plain and simple. I look forward to testifying on Thursday about the truth, and defending my good name--and the reputation for character and integrity I have spent a lifetime building--against these last-minute allegations."

White House spokesperson Kerri Kupec said the administration stood by Kavanaugh. "This 35-year-old, uncorroborated claim is the latest in a coordinated smear campaign by the Democrats designed to tear down a good man. This claim is denied by all who were said to be present and is wholly inconsistent with what many women and men who knew Judge Kavanaugh at the time in college say. The White House stands firmly behind Judge Kavanaugh."

Ramirez said that, when both she and Kavanaugh were freshmen at Yale, she was invited by a friend on the women's soccer team to a dorm-room party. She recalled that the party took place in a suite at Lawrance Hall, in the part of Yale known as the Old Campus, and that a small group of students decided to play a drinking game together. "We were sitting in a circle," she said. "People would pick who drank." Ramirez was chosen repeatedly, she said, and quickly became inebriated. At one point, she said, a male student pointed a gag plastic penis in her direction. Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words as that male student and another stood nearby. (Ramirez identified the two male onlookers, but, at her request, The New Yorker is not naming them.)

A third male student then exposed himself to her. "I remember a penis being in front of my face," she said. "I knew that's not what I wanted, even in that state of mind." She recalled remarking, "That's not a real penis," and the other students laughing at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to "kiss it." She said that she pushed the person away, touching it in the process. Ramirez, who was raised a devout Catholic in Connecticut, said that she was shaken. "I wasn't going to touch a penis until I was married," she said. "I was embarrassed and ashamed and humiliated." She remembers Kavanaugh standing to her right and laughing, pulling up his pants. "Brett was laughing," she said. "I can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants." She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. "Somebody yelled down the hall, 'Brett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbie's face,' " she said. "It was his full name. I don't think it was just 'Brett.' And I remember hearing and being mortified that this was out there."

Ramirez acknowledged that there are significant gaps in her memories of the evening, and that, if she ever presents her story to the F.B.I. or members of the Senate, she will inevitably be pressed on her motivation for coming forward after so many years, and questioned about her memory, given her drinking at the party.
 

MrRob

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There is NEVER EVER only one.

Creeps like Kavanaugh are serial abusers and the GOP knows this with all the serial abusers in their party hence the reason they are trying desperately to fast track him.
 

Speevy

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That has to be the end of this guy, right?

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So is this the woman Avenatti claims he's representing with claims against Kavanaugh or is that a third

Edit: No it's not. I don't know how twitter works but Avenatti says this is not his client.
 

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There is a special place in hell for him and the people still backing him. History won't look kindly upon these fucktards.
 

Jam

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The fact they (Republican senators) wanted to accelerate the nomination after receiving this infomation is so gross it's unbelievable.

'He may be a serial rapist, let's hurry up and get him on the court before he gets exposed'
 

sangreal

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For those that don't read the article, there are a number of people that remember hearing about this at the time though no direct witnesses who have come forward
 

MrRob

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I want to believe he will withdraw before the first hearing on Thursday to save the embarrassment now that he knows his past is catching up with him. However, we are living through the darkest timeline so all bets are off.
 

louisacommie

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I want to believe he will withdraw before the first hearing on Thursday to save the embarrassment now that he knows his past is catching up with him. However, we are living through the darkest timeline so all bets are off.
We need them to not have the votes so McConnell never puts him up for vote, but Trump is stubborn and refuses to withdraw, and drag this out into January
 

BDS

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Nothing is going to come of this, I fear. There are enough on-record witnesses in the article denying it happened that the GOP can use that as plausible deniability.
 

Baji Boxer

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Even if those scumbags manage to confirm him, I hope we keep pressing on this and thoroughly investigate anyway.
 

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Republicans JUST hand-waved the last one because he was a high school student. Can't wait for the new talking points.
 

Enduin

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This is horrible and such a fucked up situation. You hope no one else was victimized by this guy after the first allegation, but at the same time you know the only real sure way anything happens to these guys is if there are multiple victims that come forward. With three victims Kavanaugh is hopefully through and the Senate Republicans can't just go through the motions. But it's not exactly a something celebrate when at least 3 women were likely victimized by him, fucking disgusting.