Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice |OT| Prepare to 死

TransEuropaExpress · Mar 26, 2019

I like the little comedy injection when the bell-wielding giant with the pack of dogs catches you with that bell slam.

Wolf is clearly rattled by the noise of being trapped in the bell and just stands there for a sec making sounds before dropping.

Deleted member 679 · Mar 26, 2019

Assenzio said:
Game is probably the best this gen, at least for me, but man who thought it was a good idea having to fight bosses with mandatory consumable?

You either get lucky in 2 tries or, if you mess up, you have to come back end game when these bosses are not threat at all, Awful game design, just awful

They're not bosses, though, just minibosses. I don't see the problem with requiring consumables to fight optional enemies. I even think it's a smart way of forcing players to move on with the game and come back when they're stronger. Look at how many people refuse to come back later to Lady Butterfly when it's clearly not expecting you to fight her on "level 1", considering how much easier Gyoubu is, and how you can't even use the reward of her fight until much later, let alone the kunai prosthetic.

Porcupine · Mar 26, 2019

Rhaknar said:
lolwhat

these purple mist fuckers are super easy with confetti >_>

is it just the 2 headless and 2 shamans?

There are 5 Headless and 2 Shamans, and a third shaman will spawn if you defeated the 5 headless and 2 shamans.

KingKong · Mar 26, 2019

Zonal Hertz said:
I spent three hours last night on Genichiro, refused to go to sleep until I did it. Almost wept at the end after finally doing it and getting so close on the third phase quite a few times.

My question is, am I insanely bad to have taken 3 hours? I feel like I wasted the first hour or two until I finally understood how to clinically beat his first two phases. I'm looking at average completion time being 20 hours or something and I figure I'm looking at like 50 hours if I keep getting stuck on bosses this long. I'm hoping it's a one off but I took a long time to beat lady butterfly too :(. Still loving the game though.

here's a tip, when he's just attacking with regular strikes you can strafe and get a bunch of hits in. do that a couple of times then parry his big combo or two and go in for the kill. The phases go by way quicker than just trying to parry everything he does

Zutrax · Mar 26, 2019

Porcupine said:
There are 5 Headless and 2 Shamans, and a third shaman will spawn if you defeated the 5 headless and 2 shamans.

Woah, didn't know about the third shaman, I defeated all of them. Where does he spawn?

Assenzio · Mar 26, 2019

Gbraga said:
They're not bosses, though, just minibosses. I don't see the problem with requiring consumables to fight optional enemies. I even think it's a smart way of forcing players to move on with the game and come back when they're stronger. Look at how many people refuse to come back later to Lady Butterfly when it's clearly not expecting you to fight her on "level 1", considering how much easier Gyoubu is, and how you can't even use the reward of her fight until much later, let alone the kunai prosthetic.

It's really not. I had 6 confetti. I lost in 3 tries almost winning them and using 2 confetti each.

I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that the particular item is super rare. So basically know I am gonna ignore until end game and beat them to a pulp being OP.

Not really great design

Tibarn · Mar 26, 2019

Porcupine said:
There are 5 Headless and 2 Shamans, and a third shaman will spawn if you defeated the 5 headless and 2 shamans.

No, if by Shaman you mean the purple orbs guy, I already defeated 3 and only killed 1 headless.

TransEuropaExpress · Mar 26, 2019

Gbraga said:
They're not bosses, though, just minibosses. I don't see the problem with requiring consumables to fight optional enemies. I even think it's a smart way of forcing players to move on with the game and come back when they're stronger. Look at how many people refuse to come back later to Lady Butterfly when it's clearly not expecting you to fight her on "level 1", considering how much easier Gyoubu is, and how you can't even use the reward of her fight until much later, let alone the kunai prosthetic.

If this game has taught me anything, it's to just give mini-bosses the finger if I can't beat them after a few tries, return later and crush them.

Well, not that mega-bitch Snake Eyes but anyway...

Tetra-Grammaton-Cleric · Mar 26, 2019

So I finally beat Lady Butterfly.

I still think she's a cheesy boss. Her first phase is fantastic but all the shit they throw at you during her second is gratuitous and overkill.

Still love the game but fuck her.

Now I need to go kill that Bull.

catswaller · Mar 26, 2019

Assenzio said:
It's really not. I had 6 confetti. I lost in 3 tries almost winning them and using 2 confetti each.

I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that the particular item is super rare. So basically know I am gonna ignore until end game and beat them to a pulp being OP.

Not really great design

theyre endgame enemies dude, you were just trying to fight them early.

You'll have more fun if you stop obsessing over when you "should" fight an enemy and worrying that it's "bad design" if you fight it at a different time and just play the game how you play it. It's designed for you to try things in different orders, and explore, and come back to things.

Plumpman · Mar 26, 2019

Sgt. Demblant said:
Just learned that you can use Mortal Draw even without spirit emblems. Well, that's gonna make my day.
I wonder if that's an oversight. I know From likes to be deceptive but the description being flat out wrong seems weird.

There is a tooltip saying you can always use combat arts, but without spirit emblems it has reduced effectiveness.

apathetic · Mar 26, 2019

Doomguy Fieri said:
Early game mini boss tier list:

1. Purple ninja that guards the crow prosthetic
2. The rest of them.

Guy is an absolute monster.

I felt cheap as shit when I fell off the cliff came back up and was able to just backstab him as he was walking back to the temple..

Xarius · Mar 26, 2019

Rhaknar said:
lolwhat

these purple mist fuckers are super easy with confetti >_>

is it just the 2 headless and 2 shamans?

There are 5 Headless and 3 Shamans; location spoilers below:
https://sekiroshadowsdietwice.wiki.fextralife.com/Headless
https://sekiroshadowsdietwice.wiki.fextralife.com/Shichimen+Warrior

Sgt. Demblant · Mar 26, 2019

Plumpman said:
There is a tooltip saying you can always use combat arts, but without spirit emblems it has reduced effectiveness.

Ah, I see.

Mendrox · Mar 26, 2019

RumbleHumble said:
Go after Seven Spears first. He's a skill check. Once you learn his moveset and how to counter it, you'll be ready to face the real boss of the Castle. Spears is one of the hardest bosses of the game, period, but once you learn him, you'll have the skills you need to handle most other bosses in the game.

Do you talk about Seven Ashina Spears? Is he really that difficult in comparison to all the other bosses? I didn't have any trouble at all with him and I always read about people having problems with him so I am confused if I fought the correct one. It's the one where Kuro was at the begining of the game, right?

TransEuropaExpress · Mar 26, 2019

I just ran into that hideous magician beast thing in the following area last night:

Bottomless Pit

I'm not even sure I've noped the fuck out of a place harder and faster even in Bloodborne. That thing actively scared the hell out of me.

Deleted member 679 · Mar 26, 2019

Assenzio said:
It's really not. I had 6 confetti. I lost in 3 tries almost winning them and using 2 confetti each.

I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that the particular item is super rare. So basically know I am gonna ignore until end game and beat them to a pulp being OP.

Not really great design

I used more than 6 until I was able to beat the Headless for the first time, and by that point I was also properly leveled for the other Terror enemy I've found before but didn't have the courage to fight.

I also like that the item is rare, gives the fights more weight, it's better than having 5 million Dragonrot curing stuff when Dragonrot never even happened since Lady Butterfly. I'll have to actually trigger Dragonrot on purpose on later playthroughs just to see the dialogue.

I went back to try the Headless every time I found more Divine Confetti, and I don't regret it.

TransEuropaExpress said:
If this game has taught me anything, it's to just give mini-bosses the finger if I can't beat them after a few tries, return later and crush them.

Well, not that mega-bitch Snake Eyes but anyway...

Right, it's the first time I'm having that experience in Miyazaki games. I usually just keep bashing my head against the wall because I like the challenge and the reward will likely be worth it. Those enemies say "nope, you're coming back later". And I really like that.

TransEuropaExpress · Mar 26, 2019

I...completely forgot about the Headless thing from the beginning :/

Will try to beat it tonight. Wish me luck.

Papercuts · Mar 26, 2019

Rhaknar said:
in the room after the

poison pools in ashima depths, where you fight the 2 apes if you get that fight

where was the dungeon one again, I cant find it lol

Either the well you started the game in, grappling up and dropping down to where it is.

Or from the starting idol, go down below where the zombie things are, down the side passage on the right. Leads to a second idol called bottomless hole or something like that.

Deleted member 5596 · Mar 26, 2019

Doomguy Fieri said:
Early game mini boss tier list:

1. Purple ninja that guards the crow prosthetic
2. The rest of them.

Guy is an absolute monster.

Purple Ninja is not even a miniboss, as crazy as it sounds. Just a late game enemy.

Kinsei · Mar 26, 2019

Assenzio said:
It's really not. I had 6 confetti. I lost in 3 tries almost winning them and using 2 confetti each.

I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that the particular item is super rare. So basically know I am gonna ignore until end game and beat them to a pulp being OP.

Not really great design

Once you progress far enough you can buy confetti at every vendor. That's your cue to know that you are ready to take them on. The confetti you find in the world is just a bonus so you can try and take them out early.

Danielsan · Mar 26, 2019

Relaxed Muscle said:
Purple Ninja is not even a miniboss, as crazy as it sounds. Just a late game enemy.

Yup. And once you know his move set he is a cakewalk, at least 1 v 1.

PlanetSmasher · Mar 26, 2019

Flu fucked up my body pretty badly and my reflexes are absolutely shot, so no more attempts at

Owl

for a little while. Anyone have any good strategies I can take a look at and try to memorize while I'm healing up? So far I've been just trying to keep moving and avoiding his larger moves and his debuff attacks, but that kind of doesn't give me any good opportunities for actually hitting him.

Deleted member 679 · Mar 26, 2019

TransEuropaExpress said:
I just ran into that hideous magician beast thing in the following area last night:

Bottomless Pit

I'm not even sure I've noped the fuck out of a place harder and faster even in Bloodborne. That thing actively scared the hell out of me.

That was easily one of the best moments in the game to me, so far.

Couple that with the NPC's lines being straight out of The Enigma of Amigara Fault, and I was genuinely scared.

catswaller · Mar 26, 2019

PlanetSmasher said:
Flu fucked up my body pretty badly and my reflexes are absolutely shot, so no more attempts at

Owl

for a little while. Anyone have any good strategies I can take a look at and try to memorize while I'm healing up? So far I've been just trying to keep moving and avoiding his larger moves and his debuff attacks, but that kind of doesn't give me any good opportunities for actually hitting him.

you can always punish the debuff and the jumping attack.

Yoshichan · Mar 26, 2019

Mortal Draw without using emblems, how?

Codosbuya · Mar 26, 2019

Xarius said:
There are 5 Headless and 3 Shamans; location spoilers below:
https://sekiroshadowsdietwice.wiki.fextralife.com/Headless
https://sekiroshadowsdietwice.wiki.fextralife.com/Shichimen+Warrior

oof I didnt find the 5th headless and I am already on NG+ =/

Deleted member 8561 · Mar 26, 2019

Until a mod comes out that color codes or does something to disguising an incoming unblockable and if it's actually unblockable, like a sweep vs a thrust, I literally won't be able to complete some of these bosses

hydrophilic attack · Mar 26, 2019

PlanetSmasher said:
Flu fucked up my body pretty badly and my reflexes are absolutely shot, so no more attempts at

Owl

for a little while. Anyone have any good strategies I can take a look at and try to memorize while I'm healing up? So far I've been just trying to keep moving and avoiding his larger moves and his debuff attacks, but that kind of doesn't give me any good opportunities for actually hitting him.

it's my own fault for clicking, but this is the kind of spoiler that should be marked "end game" or with the name of the area something :/

i'm guessing the ability to mark spoilers with some explanatory text exists on this site for a reason

Codosbuya · Mar 26, 2019

Assenzio said:
It's really not. I had 6 confetti. I lost in 3 tries almost winning them and using 2 confetti each.

I would agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that the particular item is super rare. So basically know I am gonna ignore until end game and beat them to a pulp being OP.

Not really great design

You can farm plenty of confetti in the Ashina Dojo waypoint with Mibu Sphere of Items + Bloodsmoke.

PlanetSmasher · Mar 26, 2019

hydrophilic attack said:
it's my own fault for clicking, but this is the kind of spoiler that should be marked "end game" or with the name of the area something :/

i'm guessing the ability to mark spoilers with some explanator text exists for a reason

Sorry, not quite endgame, but that was still my bad. I'll fix it now. :(

Deleted member 2834 · Mar 26, 2019

TheLostBigBoss said:
Until a mod comes out that color codes or does something to disguising an incoming unblockable and if it's actually unblockable, like a sweep vs a thrust, I literally won't be able to complete some of these bosses

The attacks are distinguishable though? Just look at the enemy's movement.

Deleted member 679 · Mar 26, 2019

hydrophilic attack said:
it's my own fault for clicking, but this is the kind of spoiler that should be marked "end game" or with the name of the area something :/

i'm guessing the ability to mark spoilers with some explanatory text exists on this site for a reason

Clicked it as well. Thankfully it's not something really surprising, but yeah, sucks to have confirmation.

Kinsei · Mar 26, 2019

Yoshichan said:
Mortal Draw without using emblems, how?

Use it while you are out of emblems. It will be a weaker version though.

TransEuropaExpress · Mar 26, 2019

Gbraga said:
That was easily one of the best moments in the game to me, so far.

Couple that with the NPC's lines being straight out of The Enigma of Amigara Fault, and I was genuinely scared.

It took me quite a bit of courage after I literally ran down a corridor to get away from it. I eventually jumped down there thinking I could stealth it after I noticed there'd be an easy grappling out if shit got dicey. Oh my god, that thing went buckwild immediately and I freaked out hard wearing headphones.

I did manage to grapple out but have no idea how I'm going to fight that eventually.

Deleted member 8561 · Mar 26, 2019

Imp the Dimp said:
The attacks are distinguishable though? Just look at the enemy's movement.

Not enough for me, and not when I see a giant red block that makes me pause to attempt to figure out what's about to happen

Mendrox · Mar 26, 2019

PlanetSmasher said:
Flu fucked up my body pretty badly and my reflexes are absolutely shot, so no more attempts at

Owl

for a little while. Anyone have any good strategies I can take a look at and try to memorize while I'm healing up? So far I've been just trying to keep moving and avoiding his larger moves and his debuff attacks, but that kind of doesn't give me any good opportunities for actually hitting him.

Get him into a corner and just press R1 and sometimes dodge if he gets out of the animation.

Phase 2 is the same except that you have to watch out for his poison. If he gets out of the corner then try to lure him into one again.

airbagged_ · Mar 26, 2019

Imp the Dimp said:
Thanks, I'll try to keep an eye on that

Of course, and swap out "parry" with deflect. Usually it's a guaranteed swipe when you get greedy that you can block.

RumbleHumble · Mar 26, 2019

Mendrox said:
Do you talk about Seven Ashina Spears? Is he really that difficult in comparison to all the other bosses? I didn't have any trouble at all with him and I always read about people having problems with him so I am confused if I fought the correct one. It's the one where Kuro was at the begining of the game, right?

That's the one. I'm about 3/4 of the way through the game, but he's easily given me the hardest time. Once I beat him though, I've beaten every other boss I've encountered within about 15 minutes of meeting them.

Deleted member 21003 · Mar 26, 2019

I found a

freaky magic man

in the pit. How do I beat this weirdo? I got absolutely melted.

cj_iwakura · Mar 26, 2019

For anyone struggling with Madame Butterfly, she is super vulnerable to just slash/dash to the right/slash aggression, I tore her up in a matter of seconds.

Deleted member 679 · Mar 26, 2019

TransEuropaExpress said:
It took me quite a bit of courage after I literally ran down a corridor to get away from it. I eventually jumped down there thinking I could stealth it after I noticed there'd be an easy grappling out if shit got dicey. Oh my god, that thing went buckwild immediately and I freaked out hard wearing headphones.

I did manage to grapple out but have no idea how I'm going to fight that eventually.

I did beat it last night, it was a really cool fight with a nice reward.

But yeah, probably around 20 hours from the moment I saw it for the first time to the moment I actually beat it. :D

Ravio-li · Mar 26, 2019

The last few seconds of that fight were tense, with that much HP!

theotherMittens · Mar 26, 2019

TransEuropaExpress said:
I just ran into that hideous magician beast thing in the following area last night:

Bottomless Pit

I'm not even sure I've noped the fuck out of a place harder and faster even in Bloodborne. That thing actively scared the hell out of me.

I saw it from afar a while ago and did the same. Didn't even start the fight. Might try it tonight.

Datajoy · Mar 26, 2019

It seems strange that dragon rot is tied to death and not resurrection... wouldn't it make more sense to punish resurrecting than punish death? That would lead to more interesting dilemmas and choices for the player i think :/

Rhaknar · Mar 26, 2019

Got the three items, took

2 headless and 2 shaman

down, did a bunch of

underwater diving

in the various zones, I dont think I have anything else to do besides go back to the

"new" castle

I dont want it to end :(

Mendrox · Mar 26, 2019

RumbleHumble said:
That's the one. I'm about 3/4 of the way through the game, but he's easily given me the hardest time. Once I beat him though, I've beaten every other boss I've encountered within about 15 minutes of meeting them.

Wow it's crazy to see what everyone has problems with. Backstabbed that motherfucker and just fire punched him twice, got a few hits on them and then he was dead and I had Attack Power 2 back then where as I had way more problems with other bosses.

PlanetSmasher · Mar 26, 2019

bonkasaurus said:
I found a

freaky magic man

in the pit. How do I beat this weirdo? I got absolutely melted.

Divine Confetti.

Also, parry his super-beam. It only hits once, so if you parry it it won't damage you any further and you can run through it and smack him in the face.

TransEuropaExpress · Mar 26, 2019

theotherMittens said:
I saw it from afar a while ago and did the same. Didn't even start the fight. Might try it tonight.

I assume you need that special item because you literally can't get anywhere near it without. He seemed untouchable when I tried just the once time haha.

Kinsei · Mar 26, 2019

Datajoy said:
It seems strange that dragon rot is tied to death and not resurrection... wouldn't it make more sense to punish resurrecting than punish death? That would lead to more interesting dilemmas and choices for the player i think :/

Well you're reviving either way and From games punishing death are nothing new. DeS has Soul form and DS 1-3 has hollowing.

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