The damage this sham court as done.
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More info on the case:
On April 24, the Supreme Court will hear Kennedy v. Bremerton School District (case of praying high school football coach)
Oh boy. Here we go.
www.resetera.com
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SCOTUS sides with a high school football coach in a First Amendment case about prayer at the 50-yard-line
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The damage this sham court as done.
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More info on the case:
www.resetera.com
Wasn't this was that he forced players to pray.
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Looks like the loco wing thinks it's not an official thing, like an official team meeting. I guess they don't understand the power of authority since kids actually complained.
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Supreme Court appears sympathetic to high school football coach ousted after midfield prayers
The Supreme Court is being asked to decide if Joseph Kennedy's midfield prayers were government speech or if they deserve First Amendment protection.
www.usatoday.com
Looks like the loco wing thinks it's not an official thing, like an official team meeting. I guess they don't understand the power of authority since kids actually complained.
They weren't forced per say but felt obligated to go or they wouldn't get play time? Don't recall exactly, but yah.
Some asshole teacher is gonna start refusing to teach lgbt students, intentionally get fired and sue to get the SC to say lgbt kids have no right to be free from discrimination in public school if it is a religious belief
Yeah, they're also under the authority of their coach and they're minors. They're not going to say no. The court is so stupid.
Media as usual doing a terrible job reporting on this case. It wasn't just a quiet prayer. Coach basically made it a spectacle and given his position as coach, pressured the team into participating.
I hope the loudest fucking LaVeyan Satanist coach holds a fucking blood ritual during a public school sportsball game alongside witch cheerleaders casting a spell on the crowd while their legal team cites this case to protect them.
Hmm. I mean, if it's after a game or during downtime, I don't see the problem per say, but the peer pressure for the students to participate is definitely a tricky situation to handle from a legal perspective, no?
edit: reading Sotomayors dissent I can understand the problem. In my head I pictured him Tim Tebowing at the 50 yard line by himself.. that's clearly not the case.
edit: reading Sotomayors dissent I can understand the problem. In my head I pictured him Tim Tebowing at the 50 yard line by himself.. that's clearly not the case.
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Lol, yeah, that would be good, but it won't fly. This court will, 'yeah, that was different tho' something like that. Plus the people who do that will probably find themselves on the other side of a gun considering where we're talking about
They are not though. The school district argued that very point to make the claim that it is not protected speech.
On its face it doesn't sound bad, but if he was pressuring the students to join and showing favoritism towards the ones who did then that's obviously messed up.
Also a teacher can now basically start every class with a prayer and mark those who don't participate more strictly
I'm not understanding your reply.
When I mean authority, I don't mean official authority. But the coach is in a position of authority here. You think players, who want to be in their coaches good graces, would not feel compelled to pray if they're not comfortable?
I thought it was the left that was gonna put in their political actor judges.
I really hope Dems stop trying to kiss some conservatives ass when they want to try and be "neutral" about what these fucks keep saying.
Like here we are and the GOP justices are doing so much damage and making things political. Biden should be lighting their ass on fire.
I really hope Dems stop trying to kiss some conservatives ass when they want to try and be "neutral" about what these fucks keep saying.
Like here we are and the GOP justices are doing so much damage and making things political. Biden should be lighting their ass on fire.
Oh I'm sure a little Allahu Ackbar would suffice well enough.
Even if he wasn't actively pressuring him being their coach would be enough passive pressure to count. These are high school football kids, they'll do whatever their coach asks if it means they can play ball.
OMG just play ball, keep politics out of mah sports. Except for when its expressing my beliefs, obviously.
The Church of Satan is about to have a field day.
But seriously, I wonder if they would have made this decision if the coach was Muslim...
But seriously, I wonder if they would have made this decision if the coach was Muslim...
I am going to go ahead and presume this would be reversed if it was other religious prayers were being performed.
Yet another horrible decision, and its just going to keep getting worse. Signing off on administrators coercing students to participate in their faith is gastly but what else is new with this court.
Let's see, if you don't join, then you don't get to play, get targeted by the others etc. etc. etc.
What a terrible decision. Take your prayers to your churches.
What a terrible decision. Take your prayers to your churches.
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I disagree with this decision for sure. I think the concept of players feeling forced to play would show differently in a decision if the coach were to punish them in a measurable way for not participating. That'd be a clear first amendment violation.
In this case, you'll get the nebulous "player will pray just to not be ostracized" bit, which 100% will happen, but likely won't run afoul of the law. It's the main reason the decision sucks.
In this case, you'll get the nebulous "player will pray just to not be ostracized" bit, which 100% will happen, but likely won't run afoul of the law. It's the main reason the decision sucks.
Shit decision but opens it up to massive litigation. Join the team, don't join the prayer, prove you are being treated different based on your religion or lack there of, sue the school for millions, win and he gets fired. win win.
And SCOTUS has basically seen students as wards of the school with barely any rights historically.
Also, leading a prayer on the 50 yard line is not private lol.
this is the least mad ive been at an SC ruling. If it was proven he would give favoritism then definitely a problem, but otherwise this is pretty standard for religious coaches in sports.
I was certainly confused as fuck at the lords prayer recital before football games growing up, but its pretty whatever.
I was certainly confused as fuck at the lords prayer recital before football games growing up, but its pretty whatever.
Biden couldn't light someone's ass if he had a jug of gasoline and a lit match. The most he can do is kind of mildly scold and shake his head. That kind of fire, if he ever had it, is long gone these days
IIRC, even Kavanaugh brought this up as a problem during oral arguments. So it's more like the conservatives understand what's at play, they're just content to allow it.Supreme Court appears sympathetic to high school football coach ousted after midfield prayers
The Supreme Court is being asked to decide if Joseph Kennedy's midfield prayers were government speech or if they deserve First Amendment protection.www.usatoday.com
Looks like the loco wing thinks it's not an official thing, like an official team meeting. I guess they don't understand the power of authority since kids actually complained.
This is yet another 'death by a thousand cuts' ruling that doesn't do all that much *by itself* but which when added up to the others this court has made (and will make) directly targets a clear written constitutional protection. This *was* the approach previous conservative courts took to Roe vs Wade before this one decided to throw out that precedent.
These 'drip drip drip' approaches are a lot slower, for sure, but underline what this court is. I'm not sure that this court will set the precedent that separation of church and state was only meant to protect churches from the state, not prevent the state from adopting an official religion... but if we don't draw the line in the sand and say this court is too extreme and too conservative, I don't doubt a future more extreme, more conservative court would do just that.
These 'drip drip drip' approaches are a lot slower, for sure, but underline what this court is. I'm not sure that this court will set the precedent that separation of church and state was only meant to protect churches from the state, not prevent the state from adopting an official religion... but if we don't draw the line in the sand and say this court is too extreme and too conservative, I don't doubt a future more extreme, more conservative court would do just that.
Maybe the justices are strict constructionists, and if prayer occurs on the 51-yard line in another case they will reverse this decision.
There god tells them to turn the other cheek though, literally.
They are hypocritical snowflakes start calling them for what they are instead of labels they use to deflect or direct conversations to let them be victims.
Here's a part of another passage or two
"Show respect to people who don't even deserve it; not as a reflection of their character, but as a reflection of yours."
"Instead, love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them, expecting nothing in return. "
Do the people acting the way republicans do sound like chritians? God views any mental abuse the same as physical hence the commandment on harming a neighbor which most people qualify believers or not. God or the rules aren't the problem it's the hypocrites who claim to love life while literally profitting from the misery and death they create be it money or power.
gonna go ahead and guess that the super nerds on the court never played team sports.Wasn't this was that he forced players to pray.
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Supreme Court appears sympathetic to high school football coach ousted after midfield prayers
The Supreme Court is being asked to decide if Joseph Kennedy's midfield prayers were government speech or if they deserve First Amendment protection.www.usatoday.com
Looks like the loco wing thinks it's not an official thing, like an official team meeting. I guess they don't understand the power of authority since kids actually complained.
dont show up for "optional" practice and get cut. This is something the coach could easily use as justification to no play a player or cut them.
Kavanaugh is becoming one of my least favorites of the new batch. His arguments are so trollish. It's like Eric Cartman became a SCOTUS judge.
Well the issue is the tie to a public school. There is nothing stopping some random town coach from doing this.