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Sanders Says He Would Break Up 'Conglomerates' Like Disney/21st Century Fox

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About time. Disney's sucked up all the content creators, and now they are a content provider with Disney +.
They own a sizeable amount of movie revenue through all the studios they own, a sizeable amount of traditional TV revenue through ABC/ESPN, push toys/themeparks for additional revenue and drilling down brand loyalty at a young age, and basically set their flag to become the only place to get streaming revenue with how aggressively they are going after Netflix.
 
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I love Bernie's ideas, I genuinely hope he ends up as Warren's VP pick with AOC replacing him in 2024 if she wins.
 
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The idea that some of you are seriously against this just because you want xmen in the mcu makes me want to puke on you.
 
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Hylianhero777 said:


Not too sure about that! (Plus, you know, he's the only one taking climate change seriously, unlike Warren and her "green military" plans)
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I've been trying to find Warren's tax plan for all the income percentiles but I can't find it all I can find is info about the wealthy tax. Anyone know where I can find her plan for most americans?
 

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Ah, I see. His pride won't let him step down to endorse Warren, so he's just going to throw as hard as he can. Good guy Bernie, our presidential shonen rival taking one for the team.
 
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Disney-Fox merger shouldn't have been allowed in the first place, but Comcast and Time Warner should be bigger targets for breaking up. They control both the content, and the means of distributing it.
 
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"We're going to end private insurance and provide free college to everyone!"

"Fuck yeah, go Bernie!"

"And were going to break up the big conglomerates like Disney!"

"LOL that's never going to happen."
 
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Didn't Roosevelt do something like this? Theodore The Trust Buster, paved the way for regulations on companies becoming too big.
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As others have said, yes and no. Yes, he broke up a bunch of trusts and monopolies and put serious regulations in place to prevent that from happening again.

Which have actually worked well, despite what people on this board think. It was a very different time, where new companies controlling entire industries was fairly common. We don't have any actual monopolies, beyond local monopolies that are 'industry inflicted'. (Cable companies not moving in on each other's service areas is an example of something that is not technically a monopoly, but still really shitty business practice.) As far as the law, Disney is fine. If you want to remove their influence, try first removing money from politics (which I know Bernie wants to do). That alone would eliminate more influence than trying to break up Disney.
 
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LGHT_TRSN said:
"We're going to end private insurance and provide free college to everyone!"

"Fuck yeah, go Bernie!"

"And were going to break up the big conglomerates like Disney!"

"LOL that's never going to happen."
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You seriously can't compare free college to a company breaking up. They're not even the same ballpark. Free college would change everything for a majority of people in the US.
Disney is some fucking movie and tv company. Who cares. We'll get pissy and eventually move on.
 
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coconut milk said:
what's the point of this honestly.

just say you're a disney bootlicker who needs his quarterly fix of superheroes over the start of some genuine criticism on megacorps in america... and go?
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It's not that I don't think hes right, he probably is.
I just don't believe him. It's hot air.
And yeah, he's too old as well. He just had a heart attack. He needs to make change through some other avenue and not presidency.
 
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Strangelove_77 said:
You seriously can't compare free college to a company breaking up. They're not even the same ballpark. Free college would change everything for a majority of people in the US.
Disney is some fucking movie and tv company. Who cares. We'll get pissy and eventually move on.
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I'm merely pointing out the hilarious irony of selective pragmatism.
 

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Strangelove_77 said:
It's not that I don't think hes right, he probably is.
I just don't believe him. It's hot air.
And yeah, he's too old as well. He just had a heart attack. He needs to make change through some other avenue and not presidency.
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Changing the discourse surrounding megacorps is like step one. This is step one dude, and the first thing you brought to this thread was "sure, old man".

Sounds like the very idea rattled you.
 
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Sounds great.

And in the messy paperwork to divide Disney and Fox, make sure they shredded the contracts from the 90s for Fox to own the X-men movie rights.
 

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Jesse_and_the_rippers said:
Disney-Fox merger shouldn't have been allowed in the first place, but Comcast and Time Warner should be bigger targets for breaking up. They control both the content, and the means of distributing it.
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Regarding Comcast and AT&T; THIS. Whenever this discussion comes up, I'm a bit surprised people overlook Comcast (NBCUniversal) and AT&T (Warner, HBO, TNT, CNN, etc). It stinks that Disney controls so much from a creative standpoint, but I am far more worried about these media + internet providers teaming up, especially with net neutrality in flux. That is far more worrying. Disney doesn't control any distribution, and while it stinks to lose Fox as a competitor, corporations like Netflix and Amazon have stepped up to fill the void lost by former media companies.
 
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Hell yes.

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ERA like..."but the Xmen in the MCU...."

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"W-w-what about muh capeshit movies!?!"
 
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Some posters in this thread are putting way too much value on fictional properties. There's nothing stopping competing studios from creating their own content or investing in other properties and stories (preferably newer and/or less established) to compete against Disney properties like Marvel and Star Wars. As other posters have said, the larger tech companies should be the focus of policy proposals like this.
 
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Disney: Fellow Americans, we wish to cooperate with President Sanders decree to ensure our corporation is abiding by the laws. Thank you for your support in these trying times, but rest assured that Disney and Fox will have a warm relationship during this transition...

FOX: MOTHERFUCKER, GET BACK IN HERE WITH THOSE X-MEN...

Disney: Thank you for your support...RUN RUN RUN...
 
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I wouldn't pick Disney as a prime target when Comcast/NBC-Universal and AT&T/Time Warner are much more problematic. Disney is huge but they aren't vertically oriented and capable of the same level of anti-competitive market control. The legal precedents for breaking up those companies, who we are increasingly recognizing as utilities rather than service providers, is also a lot stronger than with a pure entertainment company.
 

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Kreed said:
Some posters in this thread are putting way too much value on fictional properties. There's nothing stopping competing studios from creating their own content or investing in other properties and stories (preferably newer and/or less established) to compete against Disney properties like Marvel and Star Wars. As other posters have said, the larger tech companies should be the focus of policy proposals like this.
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it's much easier to point at Disney given the recent merger and their expansion efforts into streaming.

Tech companies would probably be the focus considering the amount of damage they've done in the short period that they've been around for (e.g Cambridge Analytica/FB/Brexit/Trump shithousery) but we might as well get the ball rolling with something a little more straightforward
 

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Dyle said:
I wouldn't pick Disney as a prime target when Comcast/NBC-Universal and AT&T/Time Warner are much more problematic. Disney is huge but they aren't vertically oriented and capable of the same level of anti-competitive market control. The legal precedents for breaking up those companies, who we are increasingly recognizing as utilities rather than service providers, is also a lot stronger than with a pure entertainment company.
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Nobody picked Disney as the prime target. Bernie mentioned T-Mobile/Sprint in the same paragraph as Disney.
 
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As much as I think there should be a discussion about the amount of power Disney has, I'm more concerned about making sure Disney and other company's like it pay a livable wage to their workers.

Luckily Warren has a similar plan to the one in the OP with forcing Disney and others to give workers greater say in the corporate process.

Also stop the Hollywood accounting shit.
 

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He's right but this is not how you appeal to young people on the fence especially by calling out Disney directly. The general response will be "but what about muh movies??" Just look at this thread lol
 
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Bernie is such a hero. I love him.
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He literally is a hero to many many people. There's zero doubt in my mind that he will some day be known as one of the most influential people in the history of this country.

Edit: And who do we have to thank for all of this? Martin Luther King of course. All this time later and the power still resonates.
 
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This needs to happen with a lot more corporations in general. Ticketmaster, AT&T, Viacom, a large amount of the food industry like General Mills, Nestle, Pepsico, ect.

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he just lost the marvel fan vote
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Rights would stay with Disney. Just all the studios and means of distributing from Fox would be lost. (Well more then that).
 
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bernie sanders be like "i want stronger restrictions on corporate mergers and acquisitions with clear rules and limits to prevent things like the disney behemoth from happening" and y'all be like "um actually disney isn't technically a monopoly so you can't do that"
 
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I honestly wouldn't care if Disney was broken up. I'm pretty sure that if they did get broken up they wouldn't just LOSE the X-Men/FF rights now that they have them back.
 
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Disney? I think the priority should be to destroy FB.

BTW, Disney isnt quite a monopoly. It doesnt set the prices to others (doesnt tell WB how to price their movies), the barrier to entry to the entertainment industry isnt set by them nor particularly high (every other network like NBC and random companies like Amazon can go in. Heck even the Criterion movies are now a streaming service and Crunchroll keeps going, that's how relatively easy it is), is not a single seller (lots of studios out there), cant pull off price discrimination (like, if they sell a price too high, a person can shop elsewhere/not go to the parks, because they aren't the only game in town. In a true monopoly, they would set any price and you'd have no choice but to shop there).

Disney got problems but illegal monopoly isnt one of them.
 
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I feel like a lot of people don't understand it wouldn't matter because the film rights of those super hero properties originally belong to Disney/Marvel and would stay so...

So its litterally good for everyone, except for some execs pockets
 
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