While that's true, Xbox really needs to do something in Europe. They're becoming less and less relevant there by the minute.
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[Rumour] Jeuxvideo.com : both Xbox Scarlett models will feature SSD, will be revealed at E3 2019, with Halo Infinite as launch game
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4tf seems too low but if MS aims for 1080p with lockhart, 4tf can do better visual fidelity in 1080p than 12tf in 4K.
Hmmm :D
It's not one or the other, they need to do both. But they absolutely need Halo Infinite as a launch title to get the console blasting out the gates in US/UK. The franchise isn't exactly completely irrelevant elsewhere either.
It does tie down Anaconda.
I'd prefer one higher end box where devs can decide what tradeoff of resolution vs per-pixel techniques they want to make use of.
This setup, with a 4TB base model targetting 1080p, and a '4K' Anaconda model, forces the tradeoff for them. A dev can't decide to hone in on a lower base res using the full power of the higher end model, for fear of how it would(n't) scale down to Lockhart. The decision is made for them.
For a six year cycle I'd much prefer one higher end entry point at a decent price where devs can decide how to spend that higher level of power as the gen wears on.
Remember those specs can change. Sony double the amount of rams in the PS4 only in the end of the specs process.
I won't be surprised we get 32gig of RAM on Anaconda. Or maybe they'll keep that for the Anaconda X.
16GB of ram is gonna be so disappointing for a 2019-2027 console
This gonna be a PS3 situation all over if they stick with that (in terms of how ambitious games are and their performance later in the generation)
This gonna be a PS3 situation all over if they stick with that (in terms of how ambitious games are and their performance later in the generation)
They say as much in the article, now it's going to be interesting to see how far off they really are.
Exactly, because then they also get a head start like with the 360, which I think helped them out a lot. Otherwise such an early announcement does not make much sense to me. You undercut your current business.
e3 plans wont leak until closer to e3. that's how you know this article is shaky.
personally im most certain they wont show anything next gen. they might mention it, and likely claim it will be the most powerful system like they did with scorpio but that's about it. they wont want to compete for attention at a trade show. they'll do their own show in the spring.
Yeah, but they need a strong start in their strongest markets. Xbox will never be strong worldwide. They need to start challenging in the markets they can, potentially, challenge in. They are losing in their home territory, they need to try and sort that out first.
As far as Halo goes, i agree. It isn't what it used to be. But it's a headline franchise for them.
Those specs are very unrealistic in many respects. There is no way they can have 8 Ryzen cores in a console SoC, and there is no way they are going to put a high end SSD with 1TB capacity.
RAM is still super expensive so I would not expect more than 16 GB. Only SSD prices have been dropping, fast performance RAM prices dropped slightly compared to exorbitant prices mid 2018, but DDR4 that I bought ~1.5 years ago is the same exact price today...
it could happen if the streaming device is indeed 299 as rumoured, and has basically a cheap fill in phone chipset or the like. in that case they'd have money to play with. it might be something they decided they need for fast streaming and fast everything across all their next gen xbox devices. or it could be not true, lol.
also, the prices pc vendors charge for storage upgrades has nothing to do with reality lol. you pay a gigantic markup for more ssd and ram vs what you can pay on the upgrade market in the real world. the same way apple will charge you a couple hundred for 64gb more storage on a phone that in the real world cost them $5. it's a market segmentation technique.
1TB nvme isn't cheap but closer to $100 is far more realistic.
If PS5 is weaker than Anaconda that'd hold back the development baseline anyway. I don't think the lower end MS console would budge that line too much more - I assume MS would scale it in such a way as the GPU is tuned for 1080p output (so lower bandwidth, ROPs etc) but otherwise capable of running the same engine performance as Anaconda (or as near as makes no difference)
I would be worried about the lower end getting left behind after a few years (look at the 1S) but then I wouldn't be buying that one anyway :P
Freelance writer for Jeuxvideo.com here. As on the news side we often talk about credible rumors that circulate around the web, I can assure you this website's own affirmations are very, very rare and well thought. Maybe two, three times a year? I didn't talk to Epyon about this but I'm sure he published this because he's certain his sources are reliable, and the editor in chief also thinks so. They probably talked about it for days ^^ Also Epyon reported that NieR Automata Xbox version that was true
For Anaconda yeah. Lockhart will probably be arround 300 is my guess.
Yeah, this makes a lot of sense, and it can be a very smart movement.
Release a box that can stream next gen Xbox games, but that can also natively play Xbox One games plus legacy titles of 360 and OG Xbox.
In this way, they can sell services like Gamepass to users without the bandwidth for streaming.
the part about a ryzen 8 core is the most believable part in here to be honest. it allows for much easier backwards compatibility with a big performance increase and the price difference should not be that big.
This is true - SSD speed is a great baseline to have
This is also a possible issue - supporting external drives but only SSD speed would be tricky to message for consumers (and bloody expensive). Thats why I think a possibly better option is to have some SSD/NAND for speeding up the currently running game, but keep HDD for game installs/storage - that also allows you as a user to connect a regular high capacity HDD for games without slowing things down
Lockheart is the rumored lower speced streaming version correct?
If that's true, I might grab that one.
not sure where you've been but it's almost certainly coming. 120gb ssd's can now be had by the consumer for $20, like a memory card price. So at the very absolute least it might make sense to do a SSD cache/mechanical HDD storage setup next gen.
then have you seen anthem? constant loading. something needs to be done on the loading speed side of the equation.
Should REALLY good. Most exciting component of the next-gen consoles IMO.
Seems plausible, Microsoft are the best at tech at the moment by a long shot.
High spec
Normal spec
Streaming box
If I have understood the rumors, there will be 3 models:
High spec
Normal spec
Streaming box
Can someone edit OP ?
[QUOTE="Iceternal]
So there will be two different models, one for streaming [/QUOTE]
It's false, the article doesn't say anything about streaming. It's a true next gen console, but for 1080p.
[QUOTE="Iceternal]
So there will be two different models, one for streaming [/QUOTE]
It's false, the article doesn't say anything about streaming. It's a true next gen console, but for 1080p.
They do seem to have sources but they do seem to get details wrong while getting some broad stuff correct. At least that's what I recall of them.
Well, at least this time is purely due to specs, not because coming with something like Kinect.
I expect a PS5 to be substantially more powerful than the suggested Lockhart spec - the suggested GPU baseline presented here would be far lower than I'd have hoped for out of the next gen. Even if we want to give Lockhart a pass as a 1080p machine, as a GPU target it would represent only a 2-3x alu jump from PS4's 1080p budget. (With a commensurately lower per-pixel jump for Anaconda at 4K).
If there's a single PS5 spec, Sony devs can focus the full whack of that on whatever resolution they choose. Go for very high end techniques at a lower res, or cheaper techniques at 4K, whatever works for the goal they're trying to achieve.
Yes, for third parties the development baseline will be determined anyway by Lockhart in this scenario - at least assuming third parties aren't willing to let it fall behind on performance like they seemingly have with the One S. But that only makes the inflexibility more lamentable IMO.
Consoles didn't even get 7200rpm HDD's until XBX, but now they will have an SSD even on the cheaper model, right.
It's easy to sniff out fake leaks because tech illiterates look at what the best stuff is on PC & include that in their $400-500 Console, like all the rumours PS4/Orbis would have a GTX 680 & an i7, but it got a HD 7870 & a low end Jaguar CPU, because it was $400, not $1000.
It's easy to sniff out fake leaks because tech illiterates look at what the best stuff is on PC & include that in their $400-500 Console, like all the rumours PS4/Orbis would have a GTX 680 & an i7, but it got a HD 7870 & a low end Jaguar CPU, because it was $400, not $1000.
Yeah but I think it's far more likely to have a 512 or 256 gb sata ssd drives still.
Let's say it was $50 in manufacturing costs it would still be 10% of the sales price of the more expensive box.
Doesn't change the fact that their past record isn't that great in regards to leaks even when they had sources.
The info we had until now pointed to 3 SKUS, Lockhart, Anaconda and then a streaming one.
So Lockhart is not the streaming one.
If we acknowledge that to be true then is perfectly believable, even the SSD one.
So:
Lockhart $299, 4TF, 1TB SSD, 12 GDDR6
Anaconda $499, 12 TF, 1TB SSD, 16 GDDR6.
Now speculating about PS5 we could have:
PS5, $399, 8-10TF, 2TB HDD/1TB SSD, 16 GDDR6
Edit: All 3 with Zen 2 CPU
So Lockhart is not the streaming one.
If we acknowledge that to be true then is perfectly believable, even the SSD one.
So:
Lockhart $299, 4TF, 1TB SSD, 12 GDDR6
Anaconda $499, 12 TF, 1TB SSD, 16 GDDR6.
Now speculating about PS5 we could have:
PS5, $399, 8-10TF, 2TB HDD/1TB SSD, 16 GDDR6
Edit: All 3 with Zen 2 CPU
Attacking the next gen market from "both ends" (one console for the 'starting at' price, one for those who want the beefiest system) might be a valid strategy.
But trying to communicate that to the average consumer is gonna be hell.
The new consoles need SSDs, so i have no issues believing that. (and ootb support for external storage, ofc) - 5400RPM disc drives would cripple these devices, especially given how much modern engines and games depend on asset streaming; and assets are becoming bigger and bigger, right?
But trying to communicate that to the average consumer is gonna be hell.
The new consoles need SSDs, so i have no issues believing that. (and ootb support for external storage, ofc) - 5400RPM disc drives would cripple these devices, especially given how much modern engines and games depend on asset streaming; and assets are becoming bigger and bigger, right?
I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even support external game installs at launch. As far as I know there is only one USB-to-NVMe controller that can hit 1GB/s. Latency also may be an issue there. I feel like that's just a feature they'd cut if it doesn't work.
correct. local hardware will be for decoding and backwards compatibility. new gen will be streamed.
The biggest hurdle will be communicating the quality of connection needed to use the box correctly. Some routers and modems don't play well with xbox live this gen and im not sure that will be fixed for next.
