Absolutely. I was one of them and no way in hell I would've bought a Days Gone 2.
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[RUMOUR] Bend Studios next project may be a "AAA live service" game
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Wouldn't say they failed - Days Gone was some good fun and it sold relatively well. A failure to Sony though, apparently yeah. Was hoping for a continuation after that cliffhanger ending.
Not too thrilled about this new game based on what we know so far.
If they never mentioned "live service" but they told you that their next SP game would have a MP mode... well you can tell where I'm going with this.
Nah, game was successful.
Common sense and critical thinking goes out the window here on Era once live service and GaaS are mentioned.
Let's call a game we know nothing about shit based on a single job posting.
Days Gone 2 was never pitched to Sony because the leadership at Bend wanted to go with something else.
It's not a surprise what their next game will have a multiplayer component. When they were thinking about what to do next the internal pitch for Days Gone 2 also had a multiplayer component.
There's plenty of singleplayer games coming out now and announced for the future. People have been worrying about the "death" of singleplayer for a decade or more and it keeps not happening.
Some of the responses in this thread are really bizarre, especially after Helldivers 2.
Oh really? Thought I read that Sony straight up said no to them developing DG2 at some point.
I don't mind the addition of multiplayer as long as it doesn't take away from or make the single player game inferior/less enjoyable. Live service is typically a bad sign though.
The worst possible outcome is always assumed on here it seems. We've had the benefit of knowing for a couple of years now that their next game is planned to include multiplayer, so having a long-term plan for that integration would make sense.
But what you described is literally gambling. Yeah you can win big but the odds are stacked against you. And when a gaas game fails, the consequences are often severe.
If that's gambling, then that's Sony's strategy for the longest time. When Shuhei Yoshida was in charge of WWS and the era that people long they could return to, they would be looking at the "hit ratio" and about 3-4 games in 10 would make money for them but as long as they had enough hits then it would cover the rest and allow them to keep doing what they're doing.
"It's a hit-driven business. We look at our financial results of the titles, and probably three or four out of ten make money, and maybe one or two make all the money to cover the cost of the others titles. So we have to be able to maintain that hit ratio at a certain level to be able to continue in the business, so we always try to find out and support and help grow the talent. That's the most important work that I believe myself and some of my management team at worldwide studios are doing."
Multiplayer game with open-world elements from Days Gone? I hope it is a survival base building like State of Decay and Grounded. And if it is, count me in. Days Gone and Horizon have, in my opinion, the best settings to go multiplayer on that genre.
I never thought of it this way. I would absolutely take a Days Gone/State of Decay mix game.
Yes, and like 10 other cancelled GaaS projects and barely any output in the last year.
A lot of overreaction as usual. To the best of my knowledge Bend had never stated their new game is a MP only GAAS title.
Also, Helldivers 2 is the best thing that could have happened to Sony in years.
Also, Helldivers 2 is the best thing that could have happened to Sony in years.
The word "live service" is what did it. It's become the latest boogeyman, even though any multiplayer these days should employ that kind of approach if they want people to engage with it long-term and ensure that the servers don't get taken down after a year or two.
Yeah I feel like OP is just being disingenuous with this title. Which game with multiplayer components is not live service?
OP just wanted live service in the thread and put the rumour title there to invite some drivebys
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It's because of the wording of the job ad more than anything else.
It could very well just be future-proofing the position if bend do add elements of GAAS to their title.
I guess you could just assume every game that features mp would have that in this day and age but 🤷🏻♂️
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I think it's fairly safe to say that decima has evolved beyond being just a GG inhouse engine, hopefully it's more unreal than frostbite when it comes to external teams using it. Kojipro have mastered it too so I'm thinking it could feature as a bigger choice of engine for other teams in the future
Also on topic with the thread. Live service isn't necessarily a net negative it's all about the implementation.
SP games we've celebrated over the past few years which have MP elements:
- PS3: Resistance, KZ2, Uncharted 2/3, MotorStorm, Demon's Souls
- PS4: Ghost of Tsushima, Dreams, Uncharted 4, Death Stranding
- PS5: Returnal, GT7
It's been that way for a decade now. Supermassive Games were using it as early as 2014 when making Until Dawn.
Ironically the upcoming "remake" is using UE5.
Yeah, it's always funny seeing people talk about GAAS flops like single player games don't share the same risks. The Forspoken studio was absorbed by Squarenix, both the immortals of Aveum and Calistol Protocol studios suffered huge layoffs as well on the back of the flops that were single player games.
These studio bosses that still want to establish AAA "service" games are having a mindset from at least ten years ago.
Days Gone 1 with all the post launch support it got could easily be classed as a service game 😱
It's a fairly vague buisness model.
It's a fairly vague buisness model.
Days Gone didn't land for me at all. Generic zombie shooting with boring characters and story.
Glad they're trying something else… hopefully.
Per those Sony leaks Days Gone was not a failure in terms of sales. And that was with "lesser" reception. I think an improved sequel would've had big potential.
Personally, I deem the odds of another Suicide Squad, Redfall or Anthem higher than a big success, but I am hoping the best for them.
Unfortunately it will likely not be for me.
I get that it did not land for people. But even back when it launched, it is not like we are swimming in story driven zombie titles. Aside from perhaps Dying Light (open world with a focused campaign), I haven't played a single game that scratched the same itch.
TLOU is quite different in terms of structure and gameplay scenarios.
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Definitely won't call systems presented in that game "generic" but I guess to each their own. Anyway, I hope that weather system and hordes will come back in their next game.
The most important part of this is --- Sony may be able to truly define for us what a GAAS/Live service game is! Finally!
If this new IP has a full single player campaign, with a PS360-style added multiplayer mode, the argument will finally be over:
- if it releases day and date on PC, then every multiplayer mode counts as a "live service" game
- if it releases 2 years later on PC, then added/non-integrated multiplayer modes don't count as a "live service" game
Finally, we'll all be able to settle this in peace.
If this new IP has a full single player campaign, with a PS360-style added multiplayer mode, the argument will finally be over:
- if it releases day and date on PC, then every multiplayer mode counts as a "live service" game
- if it releases 2 years later on PC, then added/non-integrated multiplayer modes don't count as a "live service" game
Finally, we'll all be able to settle this in peace.
GOT has a live service style mp that has no post-purchase monetization, and was not detrimental to the sp portion of the game. Bend could be making something similar even with the mp portion having monetization. Hiring for GAAS does not immediately mean they are making "We have Destiny at home", as the studio announcement alludes to.
The mp is one of the most popular games on PSN today and servers are still up without the usual BPs and mtx.
If the game has a major sp component, it would probably fall into the second category.
I was one of that 8 million twice, I bought it on PS4 and PC and by god its a fantastic game
Honestly people complain about Sony doing these but I'd be hyped as hell if Sony brought back
Socom, Warhawk or SyphonFilter
I'm guessing a survival game like State of Decay set in the Days Gone universe. I'd be there Days (G)one :D
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