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[Rumor] Brad Sams: Xbox Scarlett Cloud box information leaked (Next-gen; Traditional system as well)
- Thread starter Iichter
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You are underestimating the ignorance of the public at large. I've seen people spend loads of money on expensive TVs and sound systems, and then hook up all of their connections with composite cables. Is it going to sink the product? Of course not, but to think it doesn't matter seems silly.
Yeah I don't think we're going to come to any sort of understanding. Frankly, the fact that you can't even see that MS WOULD get involved because it'd help their bottom line sort of troubles me. We have Netflix as a model as the number one streaming company in the world and they've gotten involved.
The cloud version sounds intriguing. It basically eliminates long , slow installs and patches....also need for larger HDDs or faulty disc drives. Amazing idea. Can't wait to see what MS brings to the table next gen.
So it's a console specifically for PS Now type of streaming? PS Now isn't great. Especially if you have a shit connection. With data caps and speed being a issue for most, I don't really see this being something huge.
I live in Washington, that kind of stuff would violate our net neutrality law!
Don't misunderstand, I'm not arguing that game streaming is the way the industry is going, Only that i think MS launching it alongside the traditional machine is a mistake. I think it'd fit the Slim/Mid-gen refresh perfectly, but I don't think we'll be where we need to be (infrastructure-wise) in their key markets by 2020.
As Op ...Are two console one is a steaming device that will.utilize a different tech of psnow who should improve the lag of the current streaming services as psnow.....if you have prob with datacaps there will be a normal console don't worry
Damn. The Netflix of gaming. Now they just need to make sure they deliver on the content.
If they figure out the whole streaming thing, I definitely won't mind throwing $99 towards a box like that. The big road block again though would be my own gaming PC if it can do all the same shit anyways.
If they figure out the whole streaming thing, I definitely won't mind throwing $99 towards a box like that. The big road block again though would be my own gaming PC if it can do all the same shit anyways.
and how many of them complain about the quality of the picture? not many I'd imagine. It doesn't matter what they do, they're not complaining about choices they made on their own accord which is the whole point. And if any of them are complaining then no, they don't have a right to complain either.
I've just googled it and apparently they have paid for traffic. Well to be fair, Netflix's entire business model revolves around streaming. They don't have any other alternative like MS is offering. But that just makes Netfix hypocrites as they're effectively supporting and embracing net neutrality despite all the PR about them being against it.
Knowing that just makes my opinion about Netflix even worse tbh.
Streaming is not appealing to me, but smart way of doing it. Launch a traditional console along with it, covers both types of consumers.
Excluding handhelds, PS3 is currently the fourth biggest selling console ever made. Had a rough start, but it's far from a failure.
Sony lost around 9 billions with the ps3 gen ...if you ask them I think they would never live that period again....ever
I think some people are excited by the idea because, as a low cost option, it has the potential to expand the reach of videogaming to a wider audience, not necessarily because that would be their preferred option to play games.
That said, as a remote-play style hybrid, allowing me to play my Xbox games on any device when away from home, even if in lesser quality and with higher lag, that would be convenient. And the obvious advantages over remote play is that it doesn't matter if my wife decides to play Crash Bandicoot on the Xbox when I'm playing games away, and I'm not depending on my home connection as a server.
That does nothing for latency (potentially it could even worsen it). More importantly it's intrusive - 99% of games out there are not deterministic.
This would require painful adaptations to every codebase running on the service, and impose a ton of limitations since distinction between what constitutes game-simulation task is no longer connected to the execution unit (ie. "CPU tasks" are really not just CPU bound anymore).
While some intrusive solutions could certainly get good results - I just don't see that as a realistic starting point for any streaming service - once it's established with 100s of millions subscribers - sure, you'll be able to force people to write software "for it" - but not if it's still trying to prove there is a market for it.
Everything can and is reduced to one thing: latency. IF they are able to provide a world class solution to that, its gonna be a gamechanger.
The fact that MS has the possibility to deploy a multidatacenter solution puts them on a huge advantage position vs Sony, and MS long experienced and robust gaming business puts them far ahead of other future competitors (google,amazon).
If MS play its cards smart, they could change everything next generation.
The fact that MS has the possibility to deploy a multidatacenter solution puts them on a huge advantage position vs Sony, and MS long experienced and robust gaming business puts them far ahead of other future competitors (google,amazon).
If MS play its cards smart, they could change everything next generation.
Streaming box for sure. I have cox's highest speed package so hopefully that would be okay for the wife and myself to game together with these.
I imagine the premium console will be for folks who want the highest graphic fidelity possible while the streaming box is for those who don't value graphic performance quite as high.
Having more options is a good thing and glad to see MS put their weight behind game streaming alongside Nvidia and Sony.
Having more options is a good thing and glad to see MS put their weight behind game streaming alongside Nvidia and Sony.
Yes to almost all of this. Probably S will be 150 max though, and i can see MS just stop development of S and X after one or two years after scarlet got released.
I don't see the problem of having a cloud box as an option. I bet Sony is going to something very similar as well. Of course, it won't be for everyone since not everyone has access to fast internet or is going to be close to a server but that's what the traditional box is for.
How on earth will that work..? I'm on a 70mbps line with 40ms latency as reported by Rocket League. Even if aspects of collision detection are dealt with surely the raw image delay is kind of what the problem is here..
I just don't see how this will work. Maybe something that's like half as powerful and can render the nearby vicinity while streaming handles more distant object.. I dunno.
I'm intrigued for sure mind.
I just don't see how this will work. Maybe something that's like half as powerful and can render the nearby vicinity while streaming handles more distant object.. I dunno.
I'm intrigued for sure mind.
The limitations of the domestic internet in the markets they launch it in.
Microsofts push for Freesync, VRR and 120hz is probably paving the way for their streaming platform. It allows for much lower latency on tv's and gets the manufactures to start implementing this stuff (ie: Samsung.) Combine with Phil saying at E3 that framerate is the next big thing after 4k. Internet will always induce some sort of latency, but im confident that once we get ping times down into the single digits as the norm, that streaming will be incredibly viable. Bandwidth is getting pretty high here in the states as time goes on, but pings have remained the same. Though the nearest Microsoft Azure servers to me pull a 8ms ping, so maybe their cloud computing setup is pretty fast all ready.
Yeah it's MS...they are really bad at over promising and under delivering. There won't be any "Fix" for a long time imo.
This would also be DOA in anywhere then than US I think.
I dont think weaknesses of game streaming will be associated with the overall image of said game company.
The streaming service will be analysed as soon as its out (like how df have done with various streaming services).Do game crashes and lag in online games today negitivly effect the platform holders? No they dont.
Customers will know what streaming is and will decide if its somthing they want.Unless the expirence is not what it is advertised to be customers will be happy with it.
If the only console being sold was the Streaming Box, then I'd suspect retailers would push back hard. Since there will be two SKUs, they can still push physical media, as well as DL codes and subscription cards.
True, but your point was to how MS would deal with latency problems. I'm simply stating they have more servers that are geographically close than likely any other business looking to provide a streaming solution like this.
Also, they're looking to circumvent issues with latency sensitive data by computing that locally.
Ultimately we won't know how effective their solution is or not until the product is demoed, but it's certainly exciting.
Maybe, but two systems, vastly different prices with consumers being ruled out of the cheaper option due to circumstances that are ultimately beyond their control sounds a lot like the famous; "fortunately we have a product for users who aren't able to get connectivity, it's called Xbox 360"...
Don't have the right internet? Well pony up $300 more. I can see that not sitting right with a lot of consumers.
All of this today that 200 more instead will be good or what? Because I'm not getting it
Because those kind of deals are illegal within the EU.
I'm confused that there's so many people in this thread who think Microsoft will put a product to market like this without basic considerations like the current state of ISPs, bandwidth caps, and potential latency issues.
I think people are letting their feelings about MS get in the way here... Stop.
I think people are letting their feelings about MS get in the way here... Stop.
I dont see how having just one local sku would solve this.
At least have a cheaper streaming box would give consumers where this is a good option for them an opportunity to have one.
So the whole console is PS Now?
It's like a nightmare come to life. But if there's a physical box you can buy if you choose, that's fine. God forbid that option ever goes away. :\
It's like a nightmare come to life. But if there's a physical box you can buy if you choose, that's fine. God forbid that option ever goes away. :\