[Rumor] Brad Sams: Xbox Scarlett Cloud box information leaked (Next-gen; Traditional system as well)

[Deleted member 43]

I think people are expecting it to be better than PSNOW because the local hardware on the scarlet cloud will be doing something, while at the same time not being as good as a traditional console.

Is the cloud scarlet going to scale down resolution according to your internet speed, like going from 4k to 1800p to 1440p to 1080p to 720p?

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That's about the right expectation, and yes to your question.

I don't think most people into gaming enough to be on ResetEra in the first place will want the streaming box as their main console, but for another room in the home, or on the road, or for more casual players, or if money is tight, it'll be a better streaming experience than we are accustomed to.

 

[inpHilltr8r]

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so, lower bandwidth requirements than normal streaming, but higher latency, and you need to make the game fully deterministic

best of luck with that

 

[Carn]

They've "figured out" streaming latency?

I'd love for MS to prove me wrong. But I just can't see this tech working anywhere decently with America's shit internet speeds.

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This. And for the record, I'm not American. I wonder how their streaming sample pool looks like. But I'm all for more streaming stuff if it works 'good enough'. I can imagine that low-latency gamers will opt for the local box, but I figure that's a relative small part of the market.

 

[Marano]

This will have hiccups for next gen, but a lot of people will still take the plunge at $100-$150.

The following generation is the one where you will start to see physical hardware beginning to become the minority option (phased out in some cases).

I think Microsoft and one other company (Google? Apple? Netflix?) will become the defacto streaming/gaming service competing against each other, Sony will get pushed out by the big boys. No idea what Nintendo will do.

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If anything nintendo will keep doing hybrid console/portable and maybe become a third party, mabe sony will adapt PSNOW to the standard of MS services.

As for other companies? Netflix just can't enter this market, google I would expect they will and maybe amazon, not sure about apple though.

 

[minimalism]

Good luck I guess. I'm still not feeling bull-ish on 100% online streaming services,especially for games. My steam link still has lag even on gigabit lan.

 

[El_Chino]

Yep.

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2020 is still your best bet?

 

[Bessy67]

Sounds cool, but until internet infrastructure improves significantly I'll stick to the non-cloud version. I currently have pretty good internet but who knows if I will if I end up moving.

 

[CoLD FiRE]

I don't know if this has been posted before. Currently MS covers most of the world regions with Azure. The only Regions that don't currently have any available servers are Africa and the Arabian Peninsula.

 

[Deleted member 5604]

This will have hiccups for next gen, but a lot of people will still take the plunge at $100-$150.

The following generation is the one where you will start to see physical hardware beginning to become the minority option (phased out in some cases).

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Still way too soon. Streaming games at next-gen+ fidelity requires way too many resources (even for someone like MS) to be able to support the majority of the console userbase at the same time without major drawbacks, like long wait times for play sessions. Each unique play session will be taking up the resources the equivalent of a console on the server side.

Companies (including MS) have issues keeping their bare-bones online services running smoothly at peak traffic periods like holidays as it is, and this requires way more resources than that, I can say this with 100% confidence that these streaming services that are aimed at providing (at the time) current-gen console fidelity experiences will not be the majority for a really long time (and that means multiple gens).

 

[The_Land]

I can see this meaning the standalone box being rather pricey.

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I hope it is. The X is the best console ever created. I want a similar high end product from the start of next gen.

 

[Kasey]

What if this streaming box is the final HW revision of XB1? Native XB1, 360 and OG games and streamed Xbox 2 games. A true Xbox 1.5.

 

[Deleted member 43]

2020 is still your best bet?

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That's the current target for the next Xbox.

 

[Marano]

That's about the right expectation, and yes to your question.

I don't think most people into gaming enough to be on ResetEra in the first place will want the streaming box as their main console, but for another room in the home, or on the road, or for more casual players, or if money is tight, it'll be a better streaming experience than we are accustomed to.

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Good to hear and it's true, personally I'm more interested in the traditional console and I guess most people here are too, but I think MS are targeting the market that isn't usually targeted by consoles, part of the 1 billion people that game that are not gaming on consoles and/or pc.

 

[mas8705]

Well this is peaking my interest a bit. Not sure what this all means yet, but definitely going to look more into the rumor mill here since this definitely sounds like they want to take their streaming service to the next step. Can't wait to see what they have cooking.

 

[nightwatcher]

This sounds fantastic

They really don't give up about cloud tech don't they?

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Its the future, why would a company stop innovating? lol

 

[K' Dash]

They really don't give up about cloud tech don't they?

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Why would they give up on the future?

 

[~Fake]

That's the current target for the next Xbox.

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Or 2019, but still 2020 is the high spot. So much sources confirm this zone.

 

[El_Chino]

That's the current target for the next Xbox.

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Hope the 2020 target pays off tech wise.

 

[Bessy67]

I'm not super knowledgeable when it comes to streaming, but is there anything other than the desire to sell us more stuff stopping them from streaming Xbox Scarlet games to Xbox One consoles?

 

[Philippo]

Smart move from MS.

If they add single game purchases that you can keep forever and Game Pass support, this could be selling a lot, and justify a potentially pricier and more powerful home console for the hardcore.

Really curious about Sony's soultions now.

 

[GMM]

This will have hiccups for next gen, but a lot of people will still take the plunge at $100-$150.

The following generation is the one where you will start to see physical hardware beginning to become the minority option (phased out in some cases).

I think Microsoft and one other company (Google? Apple? Netflix?) will become the defacto streaming/gaming service competing against each other, Sony will get pushed out by the big boys. No idea what Nintendo will do.

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We are certainly hearing a lot of rumble that companies like Google and Apple wants in on the gaming space in a big way, so it will be interesting what all of this means for companies like Sony and Nintendo over the next 10-15 years. Video game streaming will be a big thing and Microsoft is absolutely right to make a big push for it now since they have the brand, the publisher relationships, the development teams and the Azure infrastructure, they are by far the best candidate to pull this off and i think they might do so.

If Microsoft succeeds i could see either Sony or Nintendo partner with a big tech company to deliver a similar platform, Google, Amazon and Apple all lack the brand recognition, development resources and experience in the gaming world that those two companies have, it might be worth it to them to sell out to stay competitive and earn more money in the process.

Gaming will change in the years to come as the platforms becomes services and it's not neccesarily a bad thing like everyone here seems to believe, especially not if it means that it empowers more creative people to deliver the games we love and have them be financially viable because they can reach more people.

 

[SimpleCRIPPLE]

So now i get a full hardware box for my living room and a cloud box for the bedroom?

Sign me up.

 

[rokkerkory]

Badass if they can pull this off

 

[Inuhanyou]

streaming boxes....no thanks

 

[Deleted member 43]

I'm not super knowledgeable when it comes to streaming, but is there anything other than the desire to sell us more stuff stopping them from streaming Xbox Scarlet games to Xbox One consoles?

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As well as the streaming box? Yes.

 

[UltraMagnus]

We are certainly hearing a lot of rumble that companies like Google and Apple wants in on the gaming space in a big way, so it will be interesting what all of this means for companies like Sony and Nintendo over the next 10-15 years. Video game streaming will be a big thing and Microsoft is absolutely right to make a big push for it now since they have the brand, the publisher relationships, the development teams and the Azure infrastructure, they are by far the best candidate to pull this off and i think they might do so.

If Microsoft succeeds i could see either Sony or Nintendo partner with a big tech company to deliver a similar platform, Google, Amazon and Apple all lack the brand recognition, development resources and experience in the gaming world that those two companies have, it might be worth it to them to sell out to stay competitive and earn more money in the process.

Gaming will change in the years to come as the platforms becomes services and it's not neccesarily a bad thing like everyone here seems to believe, especially not if it means that it empowers more creative people to deliver the games we love and have them be financially viable because they can reach more people.

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I think it'll be Microsoft Vs. 1 of Google/Apple/Netflix eventually.

Sony will get pushed out, their exclusive content is not enough to sustain a streaming service.

Nintendo I'm not sure. I suspect Nintendo will initially try to hold out for a while with a traditional approach, but eventually would sign with one of the two big players but they would ask for a huge sweetheart deal that would earn them a monstrous pile of money. Who knows, it could be Microsoft they eventually end up coming to terms with.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

With data caps and iffy internet connections I don't see this streaming box taking off. The standalone box I will get.

 

[TheRaidenPT]

Taking in consideration the Xbox is the platform I play the least (only use it to play with the wife) cheaper cloud console sounds good to me

 

[Burrman]

Awesome news! MS is gonna kill it next gen.

Lol "yep"

 

[Blanquito]

As well as the streaming box? Yes.

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hm, does this imply that the streaming box won't have certain scarlet features or something? or am I misinterpreting this?

 

[vortz]

Get 360 and XBO in the steaming library for 100$ and I would buy It straight away TOMORROW.

 

[Nintendo Switch]

What I most want from this device is LOCAL game streaming.

I want an Xbox Two X in my living room that can stream games to my mounted bedroom tv that will have this scarlett cloud xbox duct taped behind it for a lag and latency free experience (since it will be a local wifi direct network)

 

[GMM]

I'm not super knowledgeable when it comes to streaming, but is there anything other than the desire to sell us more stuff stopping them from streaming Xbox Scarlet games to Xbox One consoles?

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It really depends on how the streaming would work, if the kahawai tech demo is the route they go with it means that the "thin client" must be able to run on Xbox One hardware, but it could also fall back to regular streaming with no local compute. Other things that could be problematic would be the need for specific silicon in the box to make it able to do things like decode video or perform other special tasks required for the streaming to work.

However i see no reason for Microsoft to not want old Xbox One hardware to access the service, after all it's in their interest that you use the service to buy video games regardless of the client you are accessing it from.

 

[Edge]

Urgh... I can't support this kind of box and never will, people will buy and prefer the cloud box in masses just because it's "cheap", that's how the human work, if it's cheap, it doesn't matter if it's slightly worse, it's cheap, that goes over everything and BAM, 2 gens later it's cloud only because "Microsoft Spokesperson: people loves the cloud console, it sold so much better than the other one, that obviously means they only want this right?".

I don't know, I'm just very skeptical and look a bit further into the future.

 

[Deleted member 5604]

So now i get a full hardware box for my living room and a cloud box for the bedroom?

Sign me up.

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This is honestly the type of audience I see being the majority of that streaming box's purchasers. For additional boxes for around the house. Also, steam link like functionality with the console in the house would be a no brainer/guranteed imo making the purchase of a traditional console more appealing as well.

 

[bry]

What I most want from this device is LOCAL game streaming.

I want an Xbox Two X in my living room that can stream games to my mounted bedroom tv that will have this scarlett cloud xbox duct taped behind it for a lag and latency free experience (since it will be a local wifi direct network)

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I want this too.
pls microsoft lmfao

 

[Risq]

I wonder if this has anything to do with fast-start and somehow downloading the current segment of the game you are playing to a local disk to avoid latency. Or some semblance of this.

 

[JustAnotherOne]

This is honestly IMO a MUCH better solution than 2 traditional consoles where one is less powerful. This way games will be the developed with the best hardware in mind because the streaming box will just stream everything anyway.

 

[Nintendo Switch]

So now i get a full hardware box for my living room and a cloud box for the bedroom?

Sign me up.

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We think alike. Thats exactly what i want. A giant xbox with a 4tb external hdd that holds all my games in my living room entertainment center, streaming the games to a small apple tv size box tucked away behind my bedroom tv.

 

[Alex840]

I feel the likelihood of Microsoft getting this right is higher than Sony's.

 

[UltraMagnus]

One has to wonder how long Netflix sits on the sidelines too before they look into offering a Game service of their own.

 

[jem]

We're talking about average users though. We'll all be fine, of course we will, but parents buying the new "fortnight box" Christmas 2020 might not. That it's actually their fault isn't going to make a difference.

The price is going to be the primary consideration, not; does our internet at home work with it... "Well the X1 works fine, so this will work" is going to be the thought process.

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That's not going to generate any major outrage though.

"Parents are pissed off because they didn't realise their internet wasn't good enough" isn't a particularly juicy story. Especially if a traditional console is offered at the same time.

You'll always have some uninformed idiots who will complain and blame MS but that won't be the majority.

 

[Koozek]

It's smart of them to pioneer in this sector. Streaming games will inevitably become a big part in the future.

But damn, how much dedicated hardware would MS need server-side for offering this to millions of people theoretically??

 

[Darth Smurf X]

This might just be the 2018 Darth Smurf talking, but… NOPE on the streaming-only thing. We'll see what 2020 Darth Smurf says.

Not to rain on their parade, but I hope Microsoft is going to put a lot of money into government lobbying, because without Net Neutrality, data caps are likely to get worse than better and that will render cloud gaming DOA.

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Also, this. There is zero chance I'm buying a console based on what internet provider I have and what deals they have in place. I'll stick with physical if this is still a thing 2 years from now.

 

[Golvellius]

That's the current target for the next Xbox.

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Thank god. I hope they don't reschedule it to an earlier date should Sony launch in 2019.

 

[DevilMayGuy]

The ping to the closest azure data center is more important though

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Hmm 30 ms ping. Not too bad I guess, though that layered with my TV's extra 16ms may start to be noticeable

 

[DevilMayGuy]

Edit double post

 

[nekkid]

It's smart of them to pioneer in this sector. Streaming games will inevitably become a big part in the future.

But damn, how much dedicated hardware would MS need server-side for offering this to millions of people theoretically??

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A few Azure server farms should do the trick.

 

[Panic Freak]

Streaming a movie and a game is an entirely different matter. You don't have to deal with lag in a movie or your connection remaining stable for 50 hours like you do with a game.

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You know, I bet Microsoft hasn't thought of that.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Could be interesting if they really fixed latency issues. My internet is still too shit to deliver solid quality streams tho. Gonna buy a real console. Maybe next next gen.