I cannot believe that a xx60 gpu now costs $399. The 1060 was $249 and the 960 was $199 at launch. This new pricing and next gen consoles will be the death of mid-range/budget builds.
I cannot believe that a xx60 gpu now costs $399. The 1060 was $249 and the 960 was $199 at launch. This new pricing and next gen consoles will be the death of mid-range/budget builds.
People keep saying this, but it's not like there haven't been substantial increases in performance within the tiers as well. The 3060Ti is launching at $399, which is the same price as the 1070 was 2 years ago and is nearly twice as powerful as said card.I cannot believe that a xx60 gpu now costs $399. The 1060 was $249 and the 960 was $199 at launch. This new pricing and next gen consoles will be the death of mid-range/budget builds.
The 2060 Super was literally $399 MSRPI cannot believe that a xx60 gpu now costs $399. The 1060 was $249 and the 960 was $199 at launch. This new pricing and next gen consoles will be the death of mid-range/budget builds.
It matters because there are literally no cards in that price bracket anymore. I bought a 580 3 years ago for $200, there are no new $200 cards, and certainly nothing that would be actually upgrade worthy in 200-300 range even now.People keep saying this, but it's not like there haven't been substantial increases in performance within the tiers as well. The 3060Ti is launching at $399, which is the same price as the 1070 was 2 years ago and is nearly twice as powerful than said card.
The comparison matters more among price points than it does among whatever number slaps on the card, which is irrelevant (especially given the 3060Ti shares a GPU core with the 3070 but not the rumored 3060). There's a reason beyond marketing that Nvidia says their new $400 card can match last gen's $700 card and not that it's 60% stronger than last gen's $400 card. Nvidia could have instead named the 3090/3080/3070/3060Ti as the Titan/3080Ti/3080/3070 and appeased people who are comparing among tiers, but that's not what they chose nor is it relevant to the value of the card.
I felt like 3070 had a really good deal of buildup though. It just dropped off exponentially here.The lower down the ladder you go, the more spontaneous the marketing. Which is inversely proportional to how popular the card will be
the 3070 was the second thing they revealed at the main event. I wonder how the 3060 will be handled. they might make an event out of it as THE mainstream card at $300 with the 3050 Ti getting some spotlight and the 3050 getting a 1-day noticeI felt like 3070 had a really good deal of buildup though. It just dropped off exponentially here.
I cannot believe that a xx60 gpu now costs $399. The 1060 was $249 and the 960 was $199 at launch. This new pricing and next gen consoles will be the death of mid-range/budget builds.
but ray tracing performance is very good thoughseems like a good card if you don't need or care about ray-tracing...but I would think most people buying an Ampere card do care about RTX...otherwise why not just buy a Turing card
GTX 960 was terrible in performance though the 1060 was pretty good. Even so, that doesn't even matter since the 3060 Ti is not the xx60 successor. Granted, the prices have been slowly creeping up but the performance difference between the 3060 Ti and 3070 is tiny. The 3070 is actually the worst between the two in terms of value. People have to also remember, GA104 is their second largest chip at the moment. Compare the past couple generations. For Pascal, it included - 1070, 1070 Ti and 1080. Turing - 2080 and eventually 2070/2080 Super. Ampere so far - 3060 Ti, 3070. It's not as terrible as it seems.I cannot believe that a xx60 gpu now costs $399. The 1060 was $249 and the 960 was $199 at launch. This new pricing and next gen consoles will be the death of mid-range/budget builds.
You're also talking about a card that released in the middle of a generation, not the launch. And the RX 580 competitor was the GTX 1060, how about wait until 3060 pricing is revealed if $300 range is within your budget.It matters because there are literally no cards in that price bracket anymore. I bought a 580 3 years ago for $200, there are no new $200 cards, and certainly nothing that would be actually upgrade worthy in 200-300 range even now.
The old "midrange" is dead and gone. The new midrange is twice as much.
this video has a comparison with the 1660S and the 3060Ti is about 100% fasterDo any of you think this is a worthy upgrade from the 1660S? Or just get the 3080 and hold on for a long time?
You should add another 8GB memory stick of equal spec, if you can.Off topic but unsure where to ask. Brand new to PC how would you rate my specs?
Intel i5 10400f
GTX 1660 super
500gb nve ssd
24 gb ram (3 8gb sticks)
It's pre built from Cyberpowerpc so the motherboard is proboly really bad and the power supply proboly needs to be replaced with new pcu.
January according to the leaksWhen we get lowend product man :(
I'm playing games but not that intensive for 450$ card
this video has a comparison with the 1660S and the 3060Ti is about 100% faster
I can get where he's going with it all. The consoles are an amazing value versus a 3060 for people who are trying to make a decision on either a PC or console.I cringed so hard at this part of Linus review. What a stupid nonsensical comparison. And they even got XSX price wrong.
To be fair those are the correct Xbox prices in $CAD, I'm sure it's an easy mistake to make for them.I cringed so hard at this part of Linus review. What a stupid nonsensical comparison. And they even got XSX price wrong.
Midrange cards still exist. The 2060 launched for $350, which while a bit high, decreased shortly to $300 after AMD revealed their midrange cards. The entire 1600 line capped out at $280. In fact, the 6000 series AMD cards are such a big deal because they're the first time AMD isn't focusing on the low-mid end exclusively in years. If the issue is that there's nothing shiny in the midrange yet (which makes no sense anyway considering most of the midrange cards now came out just over a year ago), that's because Nvidia and AMD always launch their cards from strongest to weakest so that anybody on the fence between two tiers chooses the more pricey card if impatience gets the best of them.It matters because there are literally no cards in that price bracket anymore. I bought a 580 3 years ago for $200, there are no new $200 cards, and certainly nothing that would be actually upgrade worthy in 200-300 range even now.
The old "midrange" is dead and gone. The new midrange is twice as much.
These numbers are with DLSS off, though. Only games that slather on the effects like Boundary, Minecraft, Quake, etc are the ones that bring the card to sub 30fps. Everything else can run over 60fps at best and over 30fps at worstI always look at the performance numbers with RT enabled without DLSS...that'll give you a good look at raw performance...even with DLSS if you're just a small bit above 60fps then as games get more powerful the card will not hold up well
There are lots of people weighing a new console purchase vs a graphics card purchase right now.I cringed so hard at this part of Linus review. What a stupid nonsensical comparison. And they even got XSX price wrong.
These numbers are with DLSS off, though. Only games that slather on the effects like Boundary, Minecraft, Quake, etc are the ones that bring the card to sub 30fps. Everything else can run over 60fps at best and over 30fps at worst
There are lots of people weighing a new console purchase vs a graphics card purchase right now.
The comparison itself is valid because these products do compete against each other despite the value proposition and functionality being so different as a package.
But if you have a PC with an older card and also are potentially in the market for a console these are all products you might be debating between.
It's time for a 3030 Super KO ti.How low are you willing to go with your settings to achieve that?
I'll chime in and say that my PS5 purchase has me considering just skipping this generation of cards unless they drop more Super variants down the line.There are lots of people weighing a new console purchase vs a graphics card purchase right now.
The comparison itself is valid because these products do compete against each other despite the value proposition and functionality being so different as a package.
But if you have a PC with an older card and also are potentially in the market for a console these are all products you might be debating between.
Mid range is a price point, not a performance target. The $250 cards are still coming, and they'll probably still meet or beat a 1080ti. That would completely mop the floor with the current leaders at that price range and still leave headroom for the 3060ti.I cannot believe that a xx60 gpu now costs $399. The 1060 was $249 and the 960 was $199 at launch. This new pricing and next gen consoles will be the death of mid-range/budget builds.
I was looking at the Hardware Unboxed review...I'm also focused on 1440p since that's the resolution I game at...I time-stamped the video to the ray-tracing 1440p chart...
https://youtu.be/Owrk_OnaPJo?t=1104
You can discuss and ask all future PC related questions in the PC Builders Thread.Off topic but unsure where to ask. Brand new to PC how would you rate my specs?
Intel i5 10400f
GTX 1660 super
500gb nve ssd
24 gb ram (3 8gb sticks)
It's pre built from Cyberpowerpc so the motherboard is proboly really bad and the power supply proboly needs to be replaced with new pcu.
Nah the "thousands" meme is still good and dead, if you wait until availability drops things back to MSRP, and aren't just targeting the absolute fastest components on the tier list.If the current GPU pricing trends continue a year or two into the current console generation I might actually be priced out of PC gaming for the first time ever. Somehow, the "you need to spend thousands of dollars for a good gaming rig" memes became real right under my nose.
No idea why your watching hardware unboxed for RT performance, they don't like RT think it's pointless and it looks like because of blow back on previous reviews are now including 1 RT benchmark on a game with 1 RT effect. Maybe go checkout gamers nexus, who also don't particularly like RT or DLSS but provide better data.
I always look at the performance numbers with RT enabled without DLSS...that'll give you a good look at raw performance...even with DLSS if you're just a small bit above 60fps then as games get more powerful the card will not hold up well
I was looking at the Hardware Unboxed review...I'm also focused on 1440p since that's the resolution I game at...I time-stamped the video to the ray-tracing 1440p chart...
https://youtu.be/Owrk_OnaPJo?t=1104
In that case, I guess I'll get a 3050Ti instead, especially if the 3060 is nowhere near $300.People keep saying this, but it's not like there haven't been substantial increases in performance within the tiers as well. The 3060Ti is launching at $399, which is the same price as the 1070 was 2 years ago and is nearly twice as powerful as said card.
The comparison matters more among price points than it does among whatever number Nvidia slaps on the card, which is irrelevant (especially given the 3060Ti shares a GPU core with the 3070 but not the rumored 3060). There's a reason beyond marketing that Nvidia says their new $400 card can match last gen's $700 card and not that it's 60% stronger than last gen's $400 card. Nvidia could have instead named the 3090/3080/3070/3060Ti as the Titan/3080Ti/3080/3070 and appeased people who are comparing among tiers, but that's not what they chose nor is it relevant to the value of the card.
even with the Gamers Nexus performance charts it shows pretty bad 1440p RTX performance with DLSS disabled- Control, Minecraft...and even Shadow of the Tomb Raider is just 66fps...games are only going to have more RTX features over the coming years and the 3060 Ti doesn't seem like the card to get for good RT performance
3070 are close to 600€ in nearly all retailers, at least around here, suspect the 3060ti will get closer to 500€ if that's the case, in fact the 1070 was around that price when it was released.For some reason, 3060ti is 429€ MSRP (vs. 399$) while 3070 is 519€ (vs. 499$).
Same VAT rate. I can't explain that extra 10€.
What exactly are you looking for? I can't see any hardware (pc or console) on the market that does what you seem to want? 1440p max RT at 90+fps (66fps tombraider wasnt enough so im guessing you wanted higher) without any resolution scaling with a price <=500?
What gpu do you currently have? if its a 2080s or better this card wasn't really ment to be your upgrade path.
you're ignoring the Minecraft, Control and Quake 2 1440p RTX numbers...Gamers Nexus specifically states that Shadow of the Tomb Raider doesn't use heavy RT effects
even with the Gamers Nexus performance charts it shows pretty bad 1440p RTX performance with DLSS disabled- Control, Minecraft...and even Shadow of the Tomb Raider is just 66fps...games are only going to have more RTX features over the coming years and the 3060 Ti doesn't seem like the card to get for good RT performance
People reporting issues with other headsets as well.OT, but is it known if this is restricted just to the Index or is this for any game using SteamVR on any headset? I JUST pulled the trigger on a quest 2 to go with my 3080, so would be bummed if half the stuff I wanted to play is unplayable :/
Why would you disable DLSS in RT enabled titles on an Nvidia card? You're just downgrading performance for no visual benefit. No one is going to play these games with RT enabled and DLSS disabled. It's useful to understand from an academic perspective but it's not a realistic end user use case.
Until a couple of months ago to get better than 2080 Super RT performance your only option was a $1200 GPU. What exactly were you expecting from a $400 GPU?
What's your opinion on AMD's RT performance and the RT performance on consoles if this is so disappointing? AMD are offering less RT performance for $1000, so I think this is very competitive RT performance for a $400 card.
Looks pretty good. Now I need to figure out if I want this or the 3070. Getting either for a 2560 x 1080 75Hz monitor if anyone's wondering.
The midrange 60 series card, even if it is the Ti model, costs over 400 goddamn euros at MSRP. I remember paying a bit under 600 euros for a GTX 1080, and that was already noticeably more expensive than recent previous gen flagships.Nah the "thousands" meme is still good and dead, if you wait until availability drops things back to MSRP, and aren't just targeting the absolute fastest components on the tier list.
I like to use native RTX performance as a true baseline of performance...the 3080 cards can do 1440p native RTX 60+ fps without DLSS enabled...AMD's RT performance is pretty bad and I wouldn't go with a Big Navi card for that reason...in all other respects Big Navi trumps Ampere but RT is the future...but AMD's poor RT performance is understandable because this is their 1st generation ray-tracing card...the 2nd gen cards should be much better in this regard...if AMD releases a DLSS equivalent this generation then that will help as well
I like to use native RTX performance as a true baseline of performance...the 3080 cards can do 1440p native RTX 60+ fps without DLSS enabled...AMD's RT performance is pretty bad and I wouldn't go with a Big Navi card for that reason...in all other respects Big Navi trumps Ampere but RT is the future...but AMD's poor RT performance is understandable because this is their 1st generation ray-tracing card...the 2nd gen cards should be much better in this regard
The midrange 60 series card, even if it is the Ti model, costs over 400 goddamn euros at MSRP. I remember paying a bit under 600 euros for a GTX 1080, and that was already noticeably more expensive than recent previous gen flagships.
3070 are close to 600€ in nearly all retailers, at least around here, suspect the 3060ti will get closer to 500€ if that's the case, in fact the 1070 was around that price when it was released.