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Alucrid

Chicken Photographer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,452
How do you know they don't understand the risk? This is a blanket ban on buying so it doesn't look like they're assessing risk.

If at my old job in credit cards, I denied a credit card application because "I don't think they REALLY understand how credit cards work" I'd be fired, possibly arrested depending on who I did it too.

did you regulate how much credit was given based off of information provided by the applicant?
 
Oct 25, 2017
8,257
The Cyclone State
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.
Is this a meme.
 

Bizazedo

Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,670
Right, credit extension laws are regulated to ensure fair access to credit. Securities regulations are written to protect investors. They are far different industries.
You're ignoring my point, though. You're saying they're doing this to protect the investor....but they're not assessing each investor individually, so that can't be true.
 

PMS341

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt-account
Banned
Oct 29, 2017
6,634
2008 was a mess and it needed swift regulation and way more people should have wound up behind bars especially related to the rating agencies and pressure put on them as well as the marketing of what we're known to be garbage loans to pensions, but 2008 was related to risky derivative underwriting not day trading.

I don't think wall St is faultless or even good. I think they are *also* a bunch of grifty assholes.

How are you still posting without either apologizing or removing your previous post? Seriously.
 

Lunchbox-

Member
Nov 2, 2017
11,957
bEast Coast
People off the street. Day trading is super fucking risky and this thread makes clear that most people don't understand that risk.

My job was protecting retail investors on wall street in my 20s and enforcing those protections as a regulator in my 30s.

I care deeply about retail investors getting in financial trouble with risky investments
are you also the doorman at your local casino?
 

Beignet

alt account
Banned
Aug 1, 2020
2,638
There have been multiple people in here educating on the Gamestop situation and why it just might just be a once in a life time unicorn. Literally everyone understands there's risk involved here, I think many people have very real memories of their friends or family getting fucked over the Great Recession or having their future robbed before their eyes without doing anything and they're going to hold onto this stock come hell or high water. Besides the social aspect, this is not a normal mania/meme stock, there's actual fundamentals behind why Gamestop is going through the roof. Melvin shorted hardcore and everyone's on the gravy train banking on their destruction like they banked on ours a decade+ ago.
 

Dr. Monkey

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,029
Cashing out and deactivating my account.
This is what I'm wondering if I should do.

I'm not involved in this GME stuff - I'm enjoying rich people tears, but what's happening today was always obviously going to happen and it makes me wonder if I should stay on RH or not. I have a little account, under a grand. I'm a very small potato. But I'm not sure what to do here with my little potatoes.
 
Oct 27, 2017
5,976
Las Vegas
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.


Wow. Just wow.
 
Oct 27, 2017
10,660
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.
Dude this reads like that navy seals copypasta...
 
Oct 26, 2017
11,052
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.
This is some classist bs lmao
 

Bizazedo

Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,670
did you regulate how much credit was given based off of information provided by the applicant?
Of course, but that's based on data they provided on a per person / application basis.

Stooge is saying "These people need to be protected" while approving of blanket, all consuming bans on *everyone* / an entire class of investor where such information isn't even being considered.
 

Steel

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,220
Commoners was a poor choice of words, but I lived through the penny stock scams and saw a lot of people lose their life savings on transactions they didn't understand.

This isn't about being paternalistic. It's preventing people from getting taken to the cleaners by grifters.

I think all these trades should be unwound and everyone should get their money back and RH and those that engaged in this behaviour should be the ones to eat those losses.
In general the hedge funds aren't making reasonable decisions either, this was a highlight of that. Fact of the matter is, this move bails out the hedge funds, pure and simple, "commoners" do not benefit from this move. People would've been burned from this, this was indeed a gamble, but it's not like RH is banning penny stocks and options for other stocks, now is it? Not to mention people are being burned by the very act of shutting down trading on these stocks anyway.
 

Realmatic1

Member
Oct 27, 2017
434
Commoners was a poor choice of words, but I lived through the penny stock scams and saw a lot of people lose their life savings on transactions they didn't understand.

This isn't about being paternalistic. It's preventing people from getting taken to the cleaners by grifters.

I think all these trades should be unwound and everyone should get their money back and RH and those that engaged in this behaviour should be the ones to eat those losses.

I edited my post but I do agree with the last part. Everyday people invested a lot into this recent stock crap, it sucks but money should be reimbursed
 

MrNewVegas

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,729
Hey guys just wanted to give my 2 million cents on this one. I believe the common plebe should not be allowed to day trade. Their simple peon brains cant compute the linear regression models in their heads like mine can. I don't even think they can calculate that they should buy the value pack over the smaller size when it comes to groceries. Honestly these commoners shouldn't even be buying their groceries, they do that sub optimally too.

Trust me, Im an expert. I have 20 years of calculating the markets to ensure myself and the boys from American Psycho bilk these dumb filthy commoners without their input.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,458
NC
User Banned (3 Months): Excessive hostility and threatening another user
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.
Commoners, bitch? Really? Thanks for letting us know to put your name on the list of people to eat when the class wars start, you avian fuck.
 

Stooge

Member
Oct 29, 2017
11,297
are you also the doorman at your local casino?

No, but I also don't like casinos having ATMs in them? I don't like payday loans. I don't like high interest credit cards. I don't like cash advances against credit cards. I don't like direct deposit advances in ATMs. I don't like "overdraft protection". I don't like that banks run credits before debits.

There are loads of financial consumer protections that I like that helps the little guy not get eaten alive by financial institutions.
 

Deleted member 70788

Jun 2, 2020
9,620
Only rich and experienced people should handle your money - you're too dumb to make decisions for yourself. Yes, many of the rich experienced people will just abuse that privilege and squander your money, but that's far better that you, yourself making decisions that could hurt you.

Is this a joke?

Yes, DIY projects can save you a lot of money, but we should just require that every repair is done by a professional who jacks up the price. You can do it? Too bad. Right to repair? Too bad? What you eat? No, nutritionists should just deliver required food to commoners. Abortion rights? You're not a health professional - only the government can decide if you can or can't.

Jesus Christ.
 

chefbags

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,300
I know I'm in the working class and all but damn you don't gotta shit on me that hard Lmao. Me being a poor commoner must feel good for stooge lol.
 

PAFenix

Unshakable Resolve
Member
Nov 21, 2019
14,775


This was probably posted earlier, but I'm glad she's taking Cruz to task about his blatant attempt at suddenly "joining hands" with wanting to investigate RH.

Like everyone can see how both are wanting to investigate for vastly different reasons.
 

Alucrid

Chicken Photographer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,452
Of course, but that's based on data they provided on a per person / application basis.

Stooge is saying "These people need to be protected" while approving of blanket, all consuming bans on *everyone* / an entire class of investor where such information isn't even being considered.

but isn't that precisely the issue here? robinhood hasn't been doing their due diligence of assessing each individual investor before allowing them access to specific options. thus the need for the, temporary, blanket ban. i think people are reading too much into the commoner thing considering that the post they replied to used commoner as well, obviously sarcastically though.
 

DrROBschiz

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,498
Only rich and experienced people should handle your money - you're too dumb to make decisions for yourself. Yes, many of the rich experienced people will just abuse that privilege and squander your money, but that's far better that you, yourself making decisions that could hurt you.

Is this a joke?

Yes, DIY projects can save you a lot of money, but we should just require that every repair is done by a professional who jacks up the price. You can do it? Too bad. Right to repair? Too bad? What you eat? No, nutritionists should just deliver required food to commoners. Abortion rights? You're not a health professional - only the government can decide if you can or can't.

Jesus Christ.

FUCKING PREACH
 

Kotto

CEO of Traphouse Networks
Member
Nov 3, 2017
4,466
User Banned (1 week): Hostility
This dude's name is Stooge, got that duck as an avatar, and talking down on us "commoners" because we are apparently too stupid to understand numbers and graphs. 🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴

You can kick rocks with that.
 

cubicle47b

Member
Aug 9, 2019
728
Allowing people to sell but not buy is pure market manipulation and certainly isn't protecting their customers. I think Schwab did it right. Don't let people trade options on incredibly high volatility stocks, but let people buy and sell stocks like normal.
 

etrain911

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,819
Hey guys just wanted to give my 2 million cents on this one. I believe the common plebe should not be allowed to day trade. Their simple peon brains cant compute the linear regression models in their heads like mine can. I don't even think they can calculate that they should buy the value pack over the smaller size. Honestly these commoners shouldn't even be buying their groceries, they do that sub optimally too.

Trust me, Im an expert. I have 20 years of calculating the markets to ensure myself and the boys from American Psycho bilk these dumb filthy commoners without their input.

Lmfaooooooo for real. "I don't know what you know about stonks (I'm an expert), but we need to protect those stupid poors from themselves so that I - I mean so that wall street can continue unimpeded."
 

Jogi

Prophet of Regret
Member
Jul 4, 2018
5,461
Seems like the hedgefund manager should have better understood his risk. No worries though, $2k should last him 7-8 months. You might even say he should begin eating toast without avocado so he can save some money.
 

data

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,765
RH is actually allowing closing out of existing positions. Just stopping the purchasing side.

Also they are closing out of positions for clients without client approval by saying its due to "unreasonable risk". Not sure if that is due to being margin related account or something else.
Holy shit that has to be illegal. Selling at such a low price too
 

LGHT_TRSN

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,151
Thank you Robinhood for not allowing this plebe to buy stocks with money I've already deposited into the app. What would I do without them protecting my $500.
 

woman

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,532
Atlanta
"Actually, it's good that banks and investment firms target vulnerable people with financial instruments that could cause them to lose everything"

Is that what I'm to understand from the reaction to Stooge's post?
 

totofogo

Member
Oct 29, 2017
5,543
Chicago
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.

New Nintendo Direct copypasta lets go
 

Kenstar

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,887
Earth
Again most people transfer some money and buy some stonks
most people are NOT buying on margin/credit or doing options or futures or other scary risky things that can have you lose more than what you physically posess in your bank account

and to fucking turn off the 'buy 1 stock with your own hard earned money' button and have it defended with 'but day trading is risky'
 

Thunder11

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,951
No, but I also don't like casinos having ATMs in them? I don't like payday loans. I don't like high interest credit cards. I don't like cash advances against credit cards. I don't like direct deposit advances in ATMs. I don't like "overdraft protection". I don't like that banks run credits before debits.

There are loads of financial consumer protections that I like that helps the little guy not get eaten alive by financial institutions.

This literally is trying to take money out of the consumers pocket to bail out the billionaires from their bad decisions

You keep dodging this point entirely
 

Steel

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,220
No, but I also don't like casinos having ATMs in them? I don't like payday loans. I don't like high interest credit cards. I don't like cash advances against credit cards. I don't like direct deposit advances in ATMs. I don't like "overdraft protection". I don't like that banks run credits before debits.

There are loads of financial consumer protections that I like that helps the little guy not get eaten alive by financial institutions.
I mean, that's fine, but let's get to the bottomline here, RH isn't preventing people from losing everything by blocking trading on these stocks and continuing with other penny stocks and obscure risky investments, so.... why these ones?
 

PMS341

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt-account
Banned
Oct 29, 2017
6,634
Dude, I'm not rich. Commoners was a bad word, but I meant it in regards to trading knowledge not class status.

You've mentioned it was a bad word twice now but have yet to edit your post or apologize. So do you care that you are insulting, or...?
 

HockeyBird

Member
Oct 27, 2017
12,605
How dare you commoners for speaking ill of us nobility? It is our honorable blood that keeps the kingdom afloat and safe. The foolish peasantry cannot begin to comprehend the sacrifices we make so you may plow your petty fields.
 
Oct 27, 2017
10,660
i would like to invest in it becoming a hot new copy pasta

but it turns out i cant, as a commoner i am too dumb to do so
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nicoga3000

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,998
Stooge Real question for you...

While I respect your background, do you not see the issue with these major trade outlets stopping the ability for us retail investors to continue to buy and sell equally? We all accept the risk associated with the stock market...We all KNOW it's a gamble. But we can't play the game anymore despite having money on the line. You've got to see why people are upset here.
 

Beignet

alt account
Banned
Aug 1, 2020
2,638
No, but I also don't like casinos having ATMs in them? I don't like payday loans. I don't like high interest credit cards. I don't like cash advances against credit cards. I don't like direct deposit advances in ATMs. I don't like "overdraft protection". I don't like that banks run credits before debits.

There are loads of financial consumer protections that I like that helps the little guy not get eaten alive by financial institutions.
Well those haven't been put in place yet and the little guy managed to exploit a rule to take down the whole casino and all the wealth that comes with it. When all is said and done we need to seriously reevaluate just what we allow to go on in the stock market and perhaps restructure our economy. People are desperate for money.

Dude, I'm not rich. Commoners was a bad word, but I meant it in regards to trading knowledge not class status.
Well the people up at the very top sure don't have trading knowledge if they short a stock at 148%. We're playing the game fair and square. Regulate and or put ownership of industry's assets into the hands of the workers that make the company operate instead of allowing stuff like this to happen. There wouldn't be such a push on this stock if there wasn't such massive wealth inequality exacerbated by this system.
 

sibarraz

Prophet of Regret - One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
18,137
I don't know why we are shitting on Stooge for using the commoner word considering that he was answering someone who used it first.

It feels like people here sometimes read a word, get angry and then don't bother to read the rest of the content and counter argument them with the whole post whatever they were right or not
 

DrROBschiz

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,498
Dude, I'm not rich. Commoners was a bad word, but I meant it in regards to trading knowledge not class status.

Im all for professionals doing their thing

What I want are professional watchdogs too. Ironclad regulations and rules that are enforced.

Conflict of interests, cons, white collar crime punished harshly

The problem that is being highlighted here is all the self dealing and corruption that exists with just about every facet of American society from Finance to Politics and so on