Just want to say that everyone doesn't know that. Read this forum. A decent chunk of people here think we can remain on lock down for several months to over a year.
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Renewed outbreaks in South Korea, Germany and China show continued risk as more countries seek to reopen
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Just want to say that everyone doesn't know that. Read this forum. A decent chunk of people here think we can remain on lock down for several months to over a year.
And I am trying to say that, as much as we want a correct course of action, it simply does not exist in the infinitely complex world we live in. Humans can only do the best that they can do. Beyond that they can go a step further & try to change when they see they've made a mistake.
Human nature is always going to breed illogical responses & actions. I logically know what I need to do to protect myself & my family.
And yet I am human enough to admit that my logic can be swayed by uncertainty & emotion. I'm not a computer.
So no, I don't believe I said something that is incorrect though I do admit mine was a reductive statement meant to drive home a point about how humans operate.
I want to commend you on your personal resolve to do the right thing.
My intent was to admit my own human uncertainties so that more dialogue might be built up by the recognition.
I've just seen that.
A long term lockdown over the course of years would have a severe impact on many many people.
Which is why I'm so eager for countries to get it right, and hopefully learn from each other whilst different attempts at easing lockdowns are trialled.
What? This is all news to me. I didn't live in Itaewon but when I visited Seoul as a tourist last year for 3 weeks, I went to both Itaewon and Hongdae for parties. No one told me to stay away, seemed totally fine. REALLY weird feeling being one of literally two white guys in certain clubs though, crazy. Wish someone had mentioned hooker hill though lol, first time I've heard of this O_oUnless you're Korean, you'll inevitably be called a "Waygookin" or "Waygook" in Korea, which is Korean for foreigner/out-of country.
It's essentially the equivalent of the "China-towns" that we have in the west, but with a more diverse population.
It's home to a large amount of Soul's expat/immigrant community and is located directly next to one of the US army bases (which is supposedly moving out of Seoul, but they've been saying that for years). It's also home to the only mosque in Seoul. It's also one of the two bigger party neighborhoods (the other being Hongdae), so it was inevitable that as soon as bars/clubs reopened people would flock to them.
For a large part of it's recent history, it's had a bit of a seedy reputation ("Hooker Hill" is a very well know landmark) that it just seemed to be getting over the past couple years. When I first moved to Korea in 2014, I was told by multiple Koreans to "not go to Itaewon" and that "it's dangerous". Judging by the reaction's my friends who are still living over there are reporting their schools are having with this news, it may be back to square one. Two have schools that are telling everyone if they find out you're anywhere near Itaewon, you're gone.
Itaewon Freedom - Groove Magazine
How Korea’s expat hub rose from seedy slum to elite escapeweb.archive.org
Unless you're Korean, you'll inevitably be called a "Waygookin" or "Waygook" in Korea, which is Korean for foreigner/out-of country.
It's essentially the equivalent of the "China-towns" that we have in the west, but with a more diverse population.
It's home to a large amount of Soul's expat/immigrant community and is located directly next to one of the US army bases (which is supposedly moving out of Seoul, but they've been saying that for years). It's also home to the only mosque in Seoul. It's also one of the two bigger party neighborhoods (the other being Hongdae), so it was inevitable that as soon as bars/clubs reopened people would flock to them.
For a large part of it's recent history, it's had a bit of a seedy reputation ("Hooker Hill" is a very well know landmark) that it just seemed to be getting over the past couple years. When I first moved to Korea in 2014, I was told by multiple Koreans to "not go to Itaewon" and that "it's dangerous". Judging by the reaction's my friends who are still living over there are reporting their schools are having with this news, it may be back to square one. Two have schools that are telling everyone if they find out you're anywhere near Itaewon, you're gone.
Itaewon Freedom - Groove Magazine
How Korea’s expat hub rose from seedy slum to elite escapeweb.archive.org
Was in Itaewon for 10 days in April 2019 and walked outside at night with my fiance to 1-2am on some nights and never once felt in danger. There are hundreds of people out at all times.
I'm not saying crime doesn't exist there but we loved our time there.
I'm confused.... the outbreaks are entirely manageable. Nobody expected the virus to disappear. The goal is to manage the outbreaks.
Like I said in my post, it's definitely changed the past couple years. When I left in 2018 it still had a bit of a reputation, especially at night, but it (and HBC right up the street) were gentrifying extremely quickly. I never felt in danger in Itaewon, but when I arrived in 2014 certain parts of it absolutely felt seedy. It never felt like the place where trouble would find you, but you could absolutely find it. I don't know if I'd say the same anymore though, it changed quite a bit even in the short timeframe I was there.
Hooker Hill is the one that leads up to Itaewon-land (the jimjilbang that's at the top of that huge staircase).
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Itaewon's Hooker Hill blues
That secret is Hooker Hill, where the world’s oldest profession still thrives more or less out in the open.
www.koreatimes.co.kr
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There are a lot of People concerned on certain states/countries that are lifting restrictions when people don't think they are prepared for it. So while that is up for debate I fee that almost everybody understands that indefinitely lockdowns are sustainable
I'm really surprised at SK. It really sounded like they had it under control.
God save us.
Even with the shining example SK was for that time being i'm terrified whats going to happen here in the US.
God save us.
Even with the shining example SK was for that time being i'm terrified whats going to happen here in the US.
It'll be interesting to see how well contact tracing will work in South Korea. For countries that didn't do such a good job of containing it since the very start, I think the voluntary approach of Sweden may well prove better in the long run. Stockholm will likely reach herd immunity by early summer without overloading the healthcare system. We'll likely be at a much lower risk for a second wave than many other places, the lockdown being voluntary means we don't get dumb quarantine protesters and our economy and job market will be less affected than that of other countries
Yeah sorry my language was flimsy there. They clearly have had it under control, but just the idea of a renewed outbreak even slipping through their top tier handling is still worrying for other countries who's response doesn't even hold a candle to it.
having the government track people like that sounds downright dystopian
schools don't really seem like an important vector for spread of covid-19. it's different from normal flus in that regard
Sure I think there's some legit suffering... and I think there's also a lot of people who are "suffering". People who don't care about the well being of other people and just want to be able to do whatever they want like there isn't a worldwide pandemic happening, people who don't want to wear a mask because it's uncomfortable, people who wouldn't sacrifice water for someone dying of thirst if they had the chance.
It sucks. This whole thing sucks. None of us want there to be a pandemic, but it's happening, and we all need to put the work in to make sure we aren't spreading it and getting people sick or killed. It's hard, I know it is.
But hell yeah, I agree with you, if Trump were not at the helm we would be doing way better.
That does make sense.
While that may be true, having kids go to school when there is nothing to do is just creating risk for no reason.
My brother was telling me how they are going there to celebrate the end of the year and go to various activities for fun. That's it.
I don't know about others, but I would rather they don't open schools (or atleast allow kids to stay at home). There is no point in reopening schools when there is too little of that left.
You know what the alternative is in situations like this? Calling the people, expecting them to know every single person they came into contact with, and them volunteering that information. You'd want this system to run as black box as possible so the government doesn't know who is who, but it is a system you need if you want to stop a pandemy.
Until a vaccine is made widespread we will not eliminate COVID. Communities, cities, countries will have flare ups. This is the world we live in now.
Because it's the most they've had in over a month.
Given that positive cases are people who were infected days ago, and who may have been spreading for a few days before testing positive, you've got to react swiftly at any sign of an uptick.
Every day you wait, makes things significantly worse. We understand this virus well enough by now that this should be apparent. An area that hasn't had new cases for a week or more gets a handful of new cases... why the heck wouldn't you increase what you're doing in reaction to that if you can? What good does waiting do? If you look at an outbreak as a separate fire starting in a new area, it should be readily apparent that you want to put it out, rather than waiting to see if it burns itself out. We know it won't.
Are you a person of colour? If not, there might have been a chance. But In the end what is really blocking's BMI is that GOP would rather die than offer free money to minorities.
I think I recognize that street in the picture, is that like part of the main back alley party street going between all the bars and nightclubs? Looks similar anyway. Man I wanna go back so freaking bad. I had some bad experiences overall, mainly due to the language barrier and being mostly alone, but I'll be damned if I'm not super nostalgic about the city now almost a year later.Like I said in my post, it's definitely changed the past couple years. When I left in 2018 it still had a bit of a reputation, especially at night, but it (and HBC right up the street) were gentrifying extremely quickly. I never felt in danger in Itaewon, but when I arrived in 2014 certain parts of it absolutely felt seedy. It never felt like the place where trouble would find you, but you could absolutely find it. I don't know if I'd say the same anymore though, it changed quite a bit even in the short timeframe I was there.
Hooker Hill is the one that leads up to Itaewon-land (the jimjilbang that's at the top of that huge staircase).
Itaewon's Hooker Hill blues
That secret is Hooker Hill, where the world’s oldest profession still thrives more or less out in the open.
Sometimes I think Trump just wanted to make every American a bio weapon.
It's the other side of Itaewon - more restaurants and small marts that sell foreign goods (great spot to get hot cheetos!), less nightclubs. Hooker hill itself is/was pretty much directly opposite Hamilton Hotel. A Taco Bell used to at the bottom of it, but literally two weeks before I left it was changed to (iirc), a Dairy Queen. If you know where the Wolfhound is (a pretty popular Irish pub in the area), it's the street directly across from that.
I'm extremely nostalgic for Korea, it's been almost 2 years since I've come home and I miss it every single day.
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I must have missed that area I think, the city is huge and 3 weeks wasn't even close to enough to see everything I wanted. I think I was only in Itaewon at night 2-3 times so not much during the day iirc.
Big leap from the short amount of time most of America has been on lock down to several months /forever. How about not allowing non essential things like dine in and concerts for a bit more time.
Considering my department went from 1 to 6 in a matter of 24 hours....... yes, that 6 quickly doubles or triples..... which again square again.
I couldn't agree more, particularly with the bolded part. People aren't going to follow mere recommendations without any enforcing. It was proven here, when the blockade around the Helsinki area was removed, and people immediately started going to their cabins and doing other unnecessary trips, despite of the prime minister recommending not to do so. Hell, many of them tried to leave the area during easter, when the blockade was still in effect. Some people just don't care, when it comes in the way of their personal wants.
That's actually a pretty good explanation for the absurd decision to open schools just for few weeks. It's happening on
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Oh god, this. It's so fucking annoying. I can't avoid going to grocery stores, but it pisses me off every fucking time I go to one, I can literally count on 1 hand how many people are wearing mask, and everyone else in the damn store is just acting like business as usual. Mothers bringing their 3 kids to the store, with no restrictions, letting them touch shit from the store anywhere. Americans are the most selfish and stupid people in the world, I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but it's true. I work in a hospital, so I see the cases. I see that this isn't some imaginary thing. People have died where I work from fucking covid.
It has not been even close to long enough to reopen anything, and as it is, stores that have been open need more fucking restrictions.
Sooner or later new cases will emerge. But if there are good systems in place, those cases can be tracked and contained which will prevent community spread.
looks like Wuhan is also trying to stop a second wave
edition.cnn.com
Wuhan to test all residents for coronavirus in 10 days after new cases emerge
Millions of people in Wuhan will be tested for the novel coronavirus within the coming days, after a new cluster of cases emerged despite a strict 76-day lockdown that was intended to eliminate the virus.
edition.cnn.com
Look, maybe a year is a stretch, I dunno- but it's been a couple months so far and people are freaking out. A couple months for most people of just being asked to watch netflix and play video games or whatever, read, whatever people do at home. I absolutely believe we can and should be able to do more than that. Stay at home and save lives.People in places that aren't the US have been through horrible wars on their soil, famine, genocides, outbreaks of worse viruses, I can't believe most of us can't just sit on couches for a while.
Yeah they're trying to re-open everything in Germany as fast as possible. It's quite scary. I'm staying at home, fuck that shit.
What annoys me more are the people that don't wear their masks properly. They either don't cover their noses, don't use all the straps, employees having it pulled all the way down so they can talk without interference, etc.
I saw a lady with a n95 mask that was just flopping around on her face when she walked.