Here's a list of the celebrities that came out against him
https://chrismm.dreamwidth.org/577422.html?view=1709454
Some notable names
Chris Rock
Jay Leno
Howard Stern
Kevin Smith
Jay Smooth
Bill Maher
Luc Besson
Kirstie Alley
Jake Tapper
Neil Gaiman
John Legend
Tom Morello
Jimmy Kimmel
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Roseanne Barr
Jamie Lee Curtis
Jimmy Fallon
Drew Carey
Wanda Sykes
Jamie Foxx
Emma Thompson
So it seems if most of MCU is not on the list. So guess title should have been "many older favourites...."
David Lynch the fuck you doing mate.
I have never seen a Polanski film, now that I think about it. I have on and off considered watching Rosrmary's Baby.
Yeah, this is a pretty unnecessary call-out thread. He got a standing ovation at the 2002 Oscars, like, everyone knows he and Hollywood's treatment of him is problematic.Like I stated in another thread, I disagree with their support of Polanski but that one decision, however wrong, doesn't make them bad people.
That said, fuck Polanski.
What's point of this list. Does anybody actually copy this list into Excel, and copy the imdb list of any movie you want to watch and see if there is any overlapping?
That list is missing a lot of names, maybe it's different to the 2009 petition?
"The names on the petition include Natalie Portman, Tilda Swinton, Isabelle Huppert, Penelope Cruz, Diane von Furstenberg, Wes Anderson, Darren Aronofsky, Martin Scorsese, Monica Bellucci, Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu, Harmony Korine, Ethan Cohen, David Lynch, and Harrison Ford. (Also, Woody Allen, but who's surprised there?)"
http://bust.com/feminism/19471-roman-polanski-petition.html
LMAO.This letter is from 2009 and was a response to Polanski's unexpected arrest in Switzerland (which ultimately declined to extradite him and instead released him).
The episode is at least as much a Euro v American jurisdiction story as a "supporting rape" story. You'll notice most of the signers aren't American.
Besides a few directors, the only person whose works I've seen and enjoyed on that list is Tilda Swinton. But no OP, that list isn't "all your favourites" for anyone. Hell there isn't a single popular actor in that list. Who the fuck are most of these people?
Indeed.This letter is from 2009 and was a response to Polanski's unexpected arrest in Switzerland (which ultimately declined to extradite him and instead released him).
The episode is at least as much a Euro v American jurisdiction story as a "supporting rape" story. You'll notice most of the signers aren't American.
LMAO.
The celebrity worship is olympian ITT. It's so telling how desperately some are trying to explain it away, and how even more just don't give a fuck.
He got 42 days for drugging and raping a 13 year old.These people know the man personally, so who am I to judge. He did something bad back in what, 68? He also had his wife murdered with their friends brutally in their house. The judge fucked the whole thing up.. or he would have served his time. You can't go from 42 days to 50 years and think that's fair. I know there's other allegations, but there's a lot of people who stand by him, who know him personally.
If they choose to forgive, then why can't the rest of us.
It's kind of sad these days that everything is a witchhunt and people can't outlive their past.
These people know the man personally, so who am I to judge. He did something bad back in what, 68? He also had his wife murdered with their friends brutally in their house. The judge fucked the whole thing up.. or he would have served his time. You can't go from 42 days to 50 years and think that's fair. I know there's other allegations, but there's a lot of people who stand by him, who know him personally.
If they choose to forgive, then why can't the rest of us.
It's kind of sad these days that everything is a witchhunt and people can't outlive their past.
Reposting
We had one. Give me a bit to dig up some of my posts.I'd be interested in a 'separating art from the artist' thread,
I've always thought treating 'separating the art from the artist' as some high-minded ideal was just an excuse to continue enjoyinfg the things we enjoy without guilt.
You can separate something utilitarian from its creator, but there is no separating art from an artist.
Alright, here we go:
You can separate a craft, a utilitarian work, from its craftsman. Skill, craft, and utility are inherently lacking in ethos. They have no belief structure and are a political. If asked to create a fork, a fascist craftsman. and a socialist craftsman will produce the same object. Now, there is a variable level of artistry that can go into craftwork, and that artistry can be used to impart a message (the fascist carving a swastika into his fork, for example), but that is not innate to the craft itself.
Art, however, is innately reliant on the artist's ethos. It will reflect te creator's thoughts and beliefs on some level, even at its most vapid. Tell two 'equally' skilled writers to write the same story with the same story beats and you will receive two very different tales with veru different meanings. A facist, but still non-racist JK Rowling writes an entirely different Harry Potter than the one we got, for example.
But obviously art is not independent of craft or skill.
Acting, I think, is teetering on that line between artistry and craftsmanship. As an actor (assuming you are not also writing or directing) your job is to filter someone else's vision through yourself. And a talented acto3 can pretend to be something or someone they are not.
Wonder Woman and Batman, even DCCU Wonder Woman and Batman, can be separated from Gadot and Affleck.
Gadot's DCCU Wonder Woman and Affleck's DCCU Batman, however, cannot.
I described an actor's performance as a filter. And like all filters, some things will be filtered out. Gadot's Wondy, for example, will always be a hypocritical character. Despite being written around direct opposition to war and the evils men inflict upon one another, no matter the side or justification, you will never see her written to, allegorically or literally, oppose Israel's treatment of Palistinians. Because Gadot would object.
Likewise, even if we see Affleck's Batman confront a sexual harasser, or abuser, becaise of the actor in the role it will ring hollow. Or worse, be a source of ridicule.
So no, an actor cannot be separated from their performance. Nor an artist from their art. Thay isn't a declaration of judgement. I'm not even saying someone should feel guilty for enjoying the work of a bad person. That is an individual decision that each of us should make on our own. The point is that, in an effort to avoid that guilt all together, we pretend there is a partition between the artist and the work that does not exist. And I don't believe that we should. Or, at the very least, we should stop acting as though doing so is being rational, instead of simply putting our heads in the dirt to avoid feelings of guilt by association.