So afterwards will they remove the dance or replace it with a new one thats almost identical except for some weird arm movement that makes a totally new thing lol
That wouldn't make Epic immune to paying up for prior use. You know that right?
So afterwards will they remove the dance or replace it with a new one thats almost identical except for some weird arm movement that makes a totally new thing lol
Nothing personal on him. Its the selective attitude of which ethical issues this place likes to care about or take serious.
They are erasing the source, which is what makes it cultural erasure.
So afterwards will they remove the dance or replace it with a new one thats almost identical except for some weird arm movement that makes a totally new thing lol
edit I didn't know dances could be copyrighted. Has this never come up before? If Fortnite gave out dance emotes for free, what would peoples stances be? Would they want Epic to delete the dance from the game, since it'd still be a case of cultural erasure?
When you use something that originates from someone else, and don't state where it originated from, it leads to cultural erasure.Except they aren't. The source still exists and will not only continue to exist but also always be the source. As mentioned, the source will only go on to get even more coverage because of its inclusion in the game.
if Fortnite took some white youtubers thing and sold it in-game without paying dues, there would be a 'gamer uproar' no doubt
You trying to be funny but she banned for your incredulous attitudeIf this goes ahead I'm going to try and copyright a dance which looks a lot like when you hit your funnybone or stand on a piece of Lego in your socks, I am going to be raking it in.
Theoretically lots of potentially profiteering mediums and sources use all manner of dances, memes etc within their content, eg TV shows, YouTube videos etc. How many times has the robot dance and other popular dances been featured in ad revenue based videos, episodes or whatever else?
Separate from being something paid like in Fortnite's case, are parodies or references cultural erasure?When you use something that originates from someone else, and don't state where it originated from, it leads to cultural erasure.
It does eventually lead to cultural erasure. It's great that you could find the original source, but unless Blizzard specifically stated where it came from, they were contributing to cultural erasure by not stating the inspiration. Someone else, by making a YouTube video or whatever showing the dances and their sources, was tying the two together. We are talking about what Epic is doing, not what people independent of Epic are doing to show the source.Nah, I found the origin of the Warcraft female nightelf dance and now I know where it came from. You're inferring that anyone exposed to the dance via fortnite will only ever associate it with fortnite and will never learn of it's origin with 100% absolution across the board. Sorry, but it's not cultural erasure.
As for my opinion on the matter, if the move/dance is distinct enough to copy and sell as an emote, then it should be able to be copywritten. People should be credited/paid for their creations when utilized for profit by others.
Its cultural erasure even if its not intentional.Nah, I found the origin of the Warcraft female nightelf dance and now I know where it came from. You're inferring that anyone exposed to the dance via fortnite will only ever associate it with fortnite and will never learn of it's origin with 100% absolution across the board. Sorry, but it's not cultural erasure.
As for my opinion on the matter, if the move/dance is distinct enough to copy and sell as an emote, then it should be able to be copywritten. People should be credited/paid for their creations when utilized for profit by others.
Lol whatever my dude. The day when body poses are legal minefields will be a sad day for all creatives who deal with any factor of human body movement in their work. Developers like me, people who work in TV and film, never mind the poor bastards who work with actual dance choreography. Banned for not agreeing with you. Pretty sad, guy.You trying to be funny but she banned for your incredulous attitude
Seriously, him winning would set a dangerous precedent. Imagine if Gene Simmons was able to copyright the devil horns like he attempted to awhile back even though he was never the first to use it.
This is simply an issue of greed.
No, because parodies are usually pretty clear about what the original source is, as are references. They rely on people knowing the source to work.Separate from being something paid like in Fortnite's case, are parodies or references cultural erasure?
Not super clear cut, definitely, but I personally don't believe that people should take that chance. One of the examples they gave of a dance move that can't be copyrighted is the grapevine:
(apologies for the crap GIF it's literally the one I could find)
It's clearly popular enough to be an example in copyright law but there are also some clearly unique steps to it. You take a step to the right/left, cross your feet over, and take another step to the right/left. What is objectively different with that compared to Milly's own dance move which can similarly be boiled down to "do a slap gesture to the left, spin your hands around each other, do a slap gesture to the right."? I can't rightly tell you the answer but I've got no doubt that any corporate lawyer worth their salt would be able to. Unlike a specific extract from a song or a book there is no objective limit on what exactly is a "unique" dance move or, as would likely be the case, a "unique" gesture." Considering the lengths media conglomerates go to now to protect their copyright whilst copyrighting anything and everything they can (often having not even made those things themselves) I really don't feel that such ambiguity would be helpful in the long run.
You trying to be funny but she banned for your incredulous attitude
I'm not happy with either, it seems ridiculous to do this, and it seems ridiculous to attack pirates, etc. Both sides are trash. Fuck the dick swinging contest, we all gon be dead in a 100 years. Put everything in the public domain.The overlying factor Im seeing here is Im noticing that it seems only big ass white corporations can swing their dick around with copyright and rights laws but apparently nobody else is allowed to have a say, play, or protect their content.
This is an extension of this entire issue in the macro scale. Posters here are happy to see big ass corps protect their brands and their trademarks but when the small guy does the same thing, now we have to "PuSh FoR MoRe pUbLiC DoMaIn CoNtEnT"
thats whats really fucked about all this
For real. Court will decide and if you've got a bone to grind it's weird as shot to go after the dude that didn't steal a bunch of other people's work and charge the world $5 for it.Y'all are envious mofos. Let the man sue for what he considers his. Let the court decide what's right.
Era capitalists are weird af. Who cares if he can or cannot "copyright" dance moves. We know what Epic is doing, so pretending you don't just make you fanboys.
The dance was already extremely popular and viral though. If it wasn't it wouldn't even be in the game. Epic just rebranded it and most people know it as the 'Fortnite Dance'.I imagine the dance in Fortnite has given it more exposure than it could ever have hoped to achieve otherwise. Hell, it could have even sent people to seek out where the dance originated in the first place and given the guy revenue via YouTube. You just never know. Seems kind of weird to me that you could even copyright a dance move though.
Yep it was popular long before ForniteThe dance was already extremely popular and viral though. If it wasn't it wouldn't even be in the game. Epic just rebranded it and most people know it as the 'Fortnite Dance'.
Absolutely incorrect, it was a pretty huge thing well before Fortnite took it, and I think the "exposure" from it being in the game was negligible. This is a very widely recognized dance move amongst teenagers and young adults.I imagine the dance in Fortnite has given it more exposure than it could ever have hoped to achieve otherwise. Hell, it could have even sent people to seek out where the dance originated in the first place and given the guy revenue via YouTube. You just never know. Seems kind of weird to me that you could even copyright a dance move though.
They rely on people knowing it, but don't source them directly in most cases, which is what's happening here aside from the whole being sold matter, no? A lot of these are appealing on their referential value.No, because parodies are usually pretty clear about what the original source is, as are references. They rely on people knowing the source to work.
GAF/ERA fucking hates copyrights and copyright laws but, when it comes to Epic straight up stealing from black artists and hip hop communities to build their Fortnite brand, the first thing they do is ring that Copyright bell.
I wonder why.
I'm not happy with either, it seems ridiculous to do this, and it seems ridiculous to attack pirates, etc. Both sides are trash. Fuck the dick swinging contest, we all gon be dead in a 100 years. Put everything in the public domain.
Epic isn't "America". It isn't cultural appropriation. Epic is a company with no race, making a game, using uncopywritable gestures within it. Some derived from white artists, some black. Race is irrelevant, and Epics legal team will be fully aware you can't sue over small body movements. Your fight is not here.
You can't link every business or artistic move to something that is unrelated in order to push a disingenuous argument centered around race. Epic isn't exactly using only dance moves from Black culture, they are using stuff from every culture, race, colour and creed, and not even just hip hop based either, but pertaining to all genres of music (K Pop, pop, dance, country etc), and even things completely unrelated to music including Internet memes and so on. They are essentially borrowing elements from popular culture in general, not specifically black culture.
GAF/ERA fucking hates copyrights and copyright laws but, when it comes to Epic straight up stealing from black artists and hip hop communities to build their Fortnite brand, the first thing they do is ring that Copyright bell.
I wonder why.
Dance choreography is already a copyrightable thing. You can't just use a dance routine whenever you want. That's copyright infringement.Lol whatever my dude. The day when body poses are legal minefields will be a sad day for all creatives who deal with any factor of human body movement in their work. Developers like me, people who work in TV and film, never mind the poor bastards who work with actual dance choreography. Banned for not agreeing with you. Pretty sad, guy.
Dance choreography is already a copyrightable thing. You can't just use a dance routine whenever you want. That's copyright infringement.
Naw foh cause you trying to be funny about something thats serious. Any other thread, somebody would already done got warned and banned for continuous disingenuous posts if they made in your style.Lol whatever my dude. The day when body poses are legal minefields will be a sad day for all creatives who deal with any factor of human body movement in their work. Developers like me, people who work in TV and film, never mind the poor bastards who work with actual dance choreography. Banned for not agreeing with you. Pretty sad, guy.
So... if a Jlo dance crew wants to make this move on stage, she needs to pay to the "creator" of the move???Well, if a big Corp is making money selling something he created, he should win.
People that profits on top of other people works without given credits should be held accountable.
And it doesn't mean nobody can dance anymore, stop with this bs. It's about making money with the dance, been paid with something they did not created.
I know for some (big corps, some white people), they are not used to be called out for profiting on something are not theirs, it happened through out the history, but time is changing.
I do use this argument when they swing their dick, but I also feel that a smaller dick being swung is ridiculous, albeit less dangerous.Save this argument when a big publisher swings their dick. Both sides are not the same.
Works in development and is, for some reason, baffled that the business of dance / stage performance is copywritten but advocates for creative rights.Lol whatever my dude. The day when body poses are legal minefields will be a sad day for all creatives who deal with any factor of human body movement in their work. Developers like me, people who work in TV and film, never mind the poor bastards who work with actual dance choreography. Banned for not agreeing with you. Pretty sad, guy.
Sure, if you strip out who the money goes to, the historical context, where the dances originated from, the nationality of the company, and all the other racial aspects it isn't about race.
You mean Tencent, chinese corporation?Sure, if you strip out who the money goes to, the historical context, where the dances originated from, the nationality of the company, and all the other racial aspects it isn't about race.
Lol whatever my dude. The day when body poses are legal minefields will be a sad day for all creatives who deal with any factor of human body movement in their work. Developers like me, people who work in TV and film, never mind the poor bastards who work with actual dance choreography. Banned for not agreeing with you. Pretty sad, guy.
I really don't think the way these dances are implemented could really be considered parody. Obviously I don't make those determinations though.They rely on people knowing it, but don't source them directly in most cases, which is what's happening here aside from the whole being sold matter, no? A lot of these are appealing on their referential value.